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[BeAChooser]

Looks like a spear wound.

But you'll agree, it looks like the skull was penetrated? So then Gormley lied?

 

[BeAChooser]

I wonder where they found an assassin who could have done that on a crowded plane, not be noticed and was willing to go down with the plane - assuming the crash was part of the evil plan....

Argument-type Six from http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7372259&postcount=163 .

 

[Biscuit]

But you'll agree, it looks like the skull was penetrated? So then Gormley lied?

That doesn't even look like a black man's skull to me.

 

[BenBurch]

Looks like a spear wound.

Worms, definitely worms.

 

[Hans]

That doesn't even look like a black man's skull to me.

Definitely - I think we should start a new conspiracy theory - Ron Brown lives!! Maybe he's at the secret HQ preparing for the NWO take over the world......

I still find it very unusual that the conspiracy didn't arrange for the plane to crash into a fuel tank farm so all the evidence was burned up......

 

[BeAChooser]

You issued a challenge to discuss the "suicide note" and I have shown there there is no "suicide note".

And so then you feel you don't have to explain why all the experts (including the government's) seem to have now concluded the note was a forgery?

That's Argument-type Two from http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7372259&postcount=163

The only reason CT call it a suicide note is to make it more sensational.

It's sensational, regardless of what it's called.

What really makes it sensational is that Whitehouse staff *discovered* it in Foster's briefcase after that briefcase had already been emptied in front of Park Police and there was no torn up note in it.

What really makes it sensational is that multiple, renown handwriting experts have examined the note and ruled it a forgery.

What's really sensational is that the government's own expert when given a blind test that he didn't know involved the note ended up calling it a probable forgery.

Now THAT is sensational.

In which of the official investigations did experts declare it a forgery.

Experts? Plural. Can you name these experts, Biscuit? Because the only government expert I know of who ruled the note authentic ended up ruling it a forgery when he was given a test he didn't know involved the note. Ended up ruling it a forgery when he was given blow ups of the characters in the note rather than not examining the note under magnification as he originally admitted he did. As noted and sourced above. Didn't you pay attention?

I can't find a single source that shows Col. William Gormley retracted his description of the wound on Brown's head as a indentation.

You haven't paid attention. I've repeatedly linked this site to a document submitted to a court of a law by Judicial Watch that included the following statement to the court:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/ois/cases/other/ronbrown/rbrown.htm

Colonel Gormley has offered inconsistent and changing explanations for his omissions. First, he stated that the wound in Secretary Brown's skull, which he examined after it was pointed out to him by Chief Janoski, was not a bullet wound because it did not penetrate the skull and because the brain was not visible. See Exhibit 15. He has subsequently admitted that a photograph of the wound, as well as photographs of Secretary Brown's X-rays, showed that the skull was penetrated and that Secretary Brown's brain was visible. Transcript of Television Interview with Colonel William Gormley, Black Entertainment Television, December 11, 1997, attached as Exhibit 18 at 18. He also has admitted that the hole in the crown of Ron Brown's head looked like an entrance wound from a gunshot, and that it was a "red flag" for a forensic pathologist which should have triggered a further inquiry. Exhibit 18 at 19. In fact, and even more damning, Colonel Gormley now admits that he consulted with other high-ranking pathologists present during the external examination of Ron Brown's body and they "agreed that [the hole in his head] look[ed] like a gunshot wound, at least an entrance gunshot wound."

It is against the law to submit a document that the lawyer knows is false. So I'd say that's proof that such a document exists.

But you believe whatever you want. Go on believing there was an autopsy, for all I care.

 

[BeAChooser]

Oh god it just gets worse!!!

here ya go

So tell us, Biscuit, do you think the photo of the wound shown in that link is consistent with this statement you highlighted by Gormley:

his examination showed it definitely wasn't caused by a bullet because it didn't completely perforate the skull

Hmmm?

Gormley claimed in multiple statements that he could only see bone in the hole. That he saw no brain matter.

Now looking at the image, do you believe him?

Let's test how gullible you are?

 

[BeAChooser]

That doesn't even look like a black man's skull to me.

Oh, do you think black men have black bone? Or black brains?

Or can you tell a black man by the shape of his skull? Is that what you are claiming?

 

[BeAChooser]

I still find it very unusual that the conspiracy didn't arrange for the plane to crash into a fuel tank farm so all the evidence was burned up......

That's Hans talking to himself. Or at least talking to people he knows won't disagree with him. He hates *controversy*.

 

[uke2se]

That's Hans talking to himself. Or at least talking to people he knows won't disagree with him. He hates *controversy*.

You mean, everyone but you?

 

[Hans]

You mean, everyone but you?

Who? I'm talking to those legendary lurkers who want to know if Ron Brown is still alive, based on CT theory he probably is!

 

[uke2se]

Who? I'm talking to those legendary lurkers who want to know if Ron Brown is still alive, based on CT theory he probably is!

But that's a futile endeavor. You know as well as I do that all lurkers agree with BAC. Well, except for the ones who eventually post.

 

[Hans]

But that's a futile endeavor. You know as well as I do that all lurkers agree with BAC. Well, except for the ones who eventually post.

BAC who? LOL

 

[A'isha]

You haven't paid attention. I've repeatedly linked this site to a document submitted to a court of a law by Judicial Watch that included the following statement to the court:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/ois/cases/other/ronbrown/rbrown.htm

Judicial Watch filed this submission before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Division for the Purpose of Appointing Independent Counsels on February 12, 1998. How did that court rule on their petition to order continuation of the Independent Counsel's investigation of Ron Brown's death? You know, the exact same three-judge panel that just four months before ordered that Knowleton's statement be attached to the Starr Report that you put so much weight on.

What did they have to say about all the evidence Judicial Watch presented?

 

[BenBurch]

This is ridiculous. How many subject changes here to avoid the fact that the OP was a piece of fiction?

 

[000063]

Mythbusters didn't try frozen gelatin or collagen.

That would've done for the integrity, but there was a thread on the Snopes forums when I Googled about the difference in mass. The hunt continues!

 

[Biscuit]

And so then you feel you don't have to explain why all the experts (including the government's) seem to have now concluded the note was a forgery?

That's Argument-type Two from http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7372259&postcount=163

So we agree that you were lying when you repeatedly referred to the note as a suicide note?

It's sensational, regardless of what it's called.

Its called a letter of resignation. I am glad we have cleared up the misinformation you were distributing. We will never get very far if you continue to misrepresent the truth.

Experts? Plural. Can you name these experts, Biscuit?

Sorry. Meant to end that sentence with a question mark. I was asking you a question.

You haven't paid attention. I've repeatedly linked this site to a document submitted to a court of a law by Judicial Watch that included the following statement to the court:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/ois/cases/other/ronbrown/rbrown.htm



It is against the law to submit a document that the lawyer knows is false. So I'd say that's proof that such a document exists.

But you believe whatever you want. Go on believing there was an autopsy, for all I care.

You have that document but it doesn't contain the pieces of evidence it refers to. It it, as far as I know, the only document that claims he retracted his previous statements. Does any other document back this up? What was the courts finding in this matter?

 

[Biscuit]

So tell us, Biscuit, do you think the photo of the wound shown in that link is consistent with this statement you highlighted by Gormley:



Hmmm?

Gormley claimed in multiple statements that he could only see bone in the hole. That he saw no brain matter.

Now looking at the image, do you believe him?

Let's test how gullible you are?

The image is far to small and far to poor of quality for me to judge. Anyone that thinks, based on that image, you can make a diagnoses about cause of death is being silly. That could be the result of bacon worms for all I know.

Because the images are so poor I am going to contend that Gromley, who actually examined the body, is a better source than anyone else.

 

[Biscuit]

Oh, do you think black men have black bone? Or black brains?

Or can you tell a black man by the shape of his skull? Is that what you are claiming?

Can you prove that it is a black mans skull?

 

[Biscuit]

Definitely - I think we should start a new conspiracy theory - Ron Brown lives!! Maybe he's at the secret HQ preparing for the NWO take over the world......

I still find it very unusual that the conspiracy didn't arrange for the plane to crash into a fuel tank farm so all the evidence was burned up......

I will sign a sworn statement that I saw ron brown at bed bath and beyond last weekend.