Bigfooters covered by Vanity Fair Magazine

[William Parcher]

My friend Wolftrax took the iniative to contact Spitznagel directly, to get his side of the controversy. Spitznagel allowed Wolftrax to publicize his e-mail, which Wolftrax posted here:

http://bigfootdiscussions.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3130&view=findpost&p=1400598

Some of their exchange is posted on the VF website comments (page 2).


This won't really be a problem for Bigfootery in a "global" sense. Their credibility cannot be eroded because there is no implied or actual credibility to begin with. There is no way to package Bigfootery for acceptable consumption via the mass media in a thoroughly honest and transparent way. The highest profile Bigfooters (Meldrum, etc.) have serious problems with confirmation bias.

Fahrenbach talks about Bigfoot gangbangs while Meldrum props up the PGF and Skookum cast. In a fundamental sense, these are just two different flavors of gullibility. Meldrum might be more dangerous to Bigfootery because he shows that "their smartest" falls far short of establishing credibility outside of the believers themselves and requires stepping outside of scientific norms in order to accomplish that.

 

[GT/CS]

Time to update the list ( there is a page 2 on the commentary by the author himself of what he didnt print)
BF is: a tantrum thrower, peeping Tom, crybaby when blinds are pulled, diesel tractor overturning, environmental terrorist ( trying to stop progress), mobile home shaker, tree puller upper, upsidedown tree putter downer, human woman luster afterer, Ocean duck hunter

According to Ed Fusch bigfoot also steals camas roots from trailer roofs and replaces them with the owner's puppies.

 

[Drewbot]

It's like they were double-dog daring me not to mock them in print.

This is GOLD Jerry! GOLD!

 

[GT/CS]

I feel sorry for the guy. He must have left there with his head absolutely spinning, wondering what the hell just happened!

The restraint he showed is quite admirable.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8

 

[kitakaze]

I feel sorry for the guy. He must have left there with his head absolutely spinning, wondering what the hell just happened!

The restraint he showed is quite admirable.

I loved that email. I just think of all the frothing footers sending him hate mail then reading that and feeling like complete dolts. How dare that evil journalist witness our craziness?

 

[GT/CS]

I loved that email. I just think of all the frothing footers sending him hate mail then reading that and feeling like complete dolts. How dare that evil journalist witness our craziness?

The ironic thing is that the frothing footers won't believe him until they see the video, then they complain about the evil skeptics who won't belive in bigfoot until they see the body, or photos, or video!

 

[kitakaze]

Ha ha! Good point. What!? You said my Bigfoot PhD did something really nutty?? Prove it!

An irony pizza made with real Doh! to the Bigfoot enthusiast table, please.

I think they're going to have to update the Wolf-Heinrich Farhenbach entry at squatchopedia to include the guy talks crazy sasquatch info.

 

[kitakaze]

Steve Culls internet radio interview with Dr. Fahrenbach:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TheSquatchdetective/2007/04/10/squatchdetective-radio

 

[Ausmerican]

Bigfooters covered by Vanity Fair Magazine

I am sorry but I don't believe the statement above is possible. There are too many footers to fit underneathe one magazine.
Completely covering every bigfoot in existence on this planet however, that could be done with paper considerably smaller than a postage stamp.

 

[kitakaze]

Here are some images of the Texas Bigfoot Conference (scroll down a bit):

http://www.texasbigfoot.org/index.php/news/news

Included are Dr. Fahrenbach discussing Bigfoot behaviour, a presentation on the three-toed Honey Island Swamp Monster, and Rick Noll filming the DVD he cut Fahrenbach out of for talking crazy sasquatch.

 

[GT/CS]

Here is an enlightening explanation as to who gets asked to talk at the conventions. Looks like Henner fits the bill!

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=24070&st=165&gopid=503151&#entry503151


"Well I think people are invited to speak at Bigfoot Conferences because:

1. We know their names (i.e., it's kind of hard to invite a WmRoy or Longtabber to talk if they don't want to have their true names known or their faces shown).

2. They have something interesting to say. Most people don't want to travel several hours to listen to someone talk about their possible sighting. They want to hear about a Chinese Yeren expedition, or an analysis of purported photographic evidence, or a new perspective on research, or 20 years of investigation at a particular location. If someone has something to offer, step up to the plate! We'll GLADLY have you or someone you recommend on the radio show and if it's good, I'll even back them up as a speaker at a conference....but they gotta show their stuff first (and no offense to LT, but he's an engineer. Ever heard an engineer talk??? There isn't enough Starbucks in the world to keep you awake during that talk....)"

 

[Hairy Man]

Yeah, and? The point is only that participants at any conference (whatever it be anthropology, archaeology, biology, etc.) want to hear something worth listening to... if you have ever been to a conference, you would know that. I would LOVE to be at a conference with Ben Radford or other skeptics. Frankly, they are under represented and that needs to change.

P.S. Henner will be on "Let's Talk Bigfoot" this Dec. 3 at 10:00 p.m. EST/7:00 p.m. PST if you want to ask any questions regarding his comments reported in the Vanity Fair article you can call in or send questions to [email protected].

 

[kitakaze]

Hi, Kathy, and thanks for the info. How was your presentation at that conference? Also, how is your book on native myths and Bigfoot doing? BTW, there is a slight mix up on that page I linked to the TBC:

Kathy Moskowitz Strain discussed her lavishly illustrated new book, Giants, Cannibals and Monsters: Bigfoot in Native Culture. Many Native American tribes have artwork, ancient legends and songs that may have been derived from experiences with creatures known in today's popular culture as bigfoot or sasquatch. Strain, a professional anthropologist who serves as the Forest Heritage Resource and Tribal Relations Programs Manager for the Stanislaus National Forest, spent decades developing relationships with tribal leaders and researching archival literature to unearth accounts from a wide range of cultures.

Unless I'm mistaken, you are an archaeologist rather than an anthropologist, no?

 

[William Parcher]

I wonder what the situation with Fahrenbach would be if Vanity Fair had not been there to report on the event. Were Bigfooters publicly trashing his presentation before VF was hot off the presses?


TBRC Conference - Oct. 17-19.

The last speaker of the regular conference was Dr. W. Henner Fahrenbach who gave a run down on so many behavioral traits gleamed from reports, that many people have never seen or heard of, a companion volume to Bindernagel's book could be made from the material. Video taped.

Dr. Henner Fahrenbach described sasquatch behaviors based on his evaluations of thousands of reports and, in particular, his own witness interviews and encounters investigations. He suggested that long-term habituation situations could hold the key to eventual documentation efforts.

Vanity Fair article - Oct. 30

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Whole lot of spinning going on now.

What is an expert? Who is an expert?

Interesting

 

[Drewbot]

Rumor has it that TRIUMPH The Insult Comic Dog, is going to the next bigfoot conference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76E2_52sus8

 

[GT/CS]

Yeah, and? The point is only that participants at any conference (whatever it be anthropology, archaeology, biology, etc.) want to hear something worth listening to... if you have ever been to a conference, you would know that. I would LOVE to be at a conference with Ben Radford or other skeptics. Frankly, they are under represented and that needs to change.

P.S. Henner will be on "Let's Talk Bigfoot" this Dec. 3 at 10:00 p.m. EST/7:00 p.m. PST if you want to ask any questions regarding his comments reported in the Vanity Fair article you can call in or send questions to [email protected].

And?

And don't you think the #1 qualification should be that the person has something useful to offer?

How about the #2 qualification be that the speaker doesn't embarrass everyone and set the whole movement back 20 years.

But, hey, if you are only concerned about the entertainment value of the speakers keep traveling the path to implosion.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

It all goes back to what "is" is

Next years entertaining speaker will be Carrot Top who will be discussing the reddish tint of the BF in comparison to his and comparing samples.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Here is an enlightening explanation as to who gets asked to talk at the conventions. Looks like Henner fits the bill!

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=24070&st=165&gopid=503151&#entry503151


(and no offense to LT, but he's an engineer. Ever heard an engineer talk??? There isn't enough Starbucks in the world to keep you awake during that talk....)"[/I][/B]

I'll admit that listening to my ilk talk is akin to savoring the flavor of chewing cardboard but I dont get this part ( from a later post in the same thread)

>>>My point is just because someone speaks at a conference doesn't (in any way shape or form) mean that the group in charge of the event is holding that person out as an expert or authority - they are simply people that the group thinks has something interesting to say

What about having that same person on the Board of Advisors? ( isnt that a position regarded for a contribution of expertise or authority on the subject?)

So, wouldnt the expectations be higher for an advisor ( who is heralded all over the BF world as an "expert" on BF hair, has written BF papers, studied the subject and actually "investigated" sightings and alleged habituations) of the organization when ihe is a speaker?