Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Have people watched the stablized version of the film mentioned in this week's commentary? Looks like some dork out for a stroll in the woods.

~~ Paul
 
Yes, but there has been a stabilized color version out for quite a long time, so this is not anything new.

It does indeed look like some dork out for a stroll, and I can't for the life of me figure out where all this "compliant gait" talk came from.
 
Huntster, that recent test of bigfoot hair that turned out to be bison would seem counter to your opinion of science. No carcass, just some hair. It was tested. It was not from a sasquatch.

Do you have any examples of scientifically testable evidence for sasquatch, that was not tested by scientists?
 
Incorrect.

Science is taking the default negative position until proof is provided.

The evidence is there. It has been deemed "insufficient", "inconclusive", "poor", "shoddy", etc.



Well, there are thirty-some pages of debate here at your fingertips.

Would you mail me a nickel for each comment made on this thread to the effect that "there is definately no such thing as bigfoot"?


And let you decide what passes for ' definitely ' ?

Yeah, riiiiiiiiight !
 
Many have called the PGF a "blurry" film. It is not entirely so. The blur occurs when the camera is moving. The focus throughout the film is close to sharp. You can see just how sharp this is by looking at Dahinden's Cibachrome made from frame 352.

There are portions of the film when the camera is very steady... rock-steady. I have often wondered if Patterson used a tripod for parts of the Patty filming. There are suspicious discontinuities in the film. I strongly suspect that Patterson edited (spliced) the film before presenting it.
 
From the 1967 radio interview of P/G:

W: Now, okay, so you then gave up . you took the plaster tracks . How deep were these tracks by the way, in inches? . Inch and a quarter or .

B: Some of them were down as far as three and a half inches deep into the softer soil. These particular ones we took here were, weren't quite so deep because they were flatter tracks.

Where are these 3-1/2 inch deep tracks? Why not cast these? If your foot is sinking that far into the soil, you will indeed walk funny and leave some very messy footprints.

I don't believe for a second that Patty left any such tracks.
 
From the 1992 Gimlin interview:

Gimlin: Yes, being as I didn’t know much about movie cameras or splicing film or any of that sort of thing, anybody could have shown me the film and I wouldn’t have been able to detect a splice except I knew what was taken [filmed] - -we all saw it, you know? Course the film footage of the creature wasn’t that good but the other film footage was plain. It was taken during sun light hours and I thought it was a good film. I don’t know what you guys thought about it, but I thought it was a pretty good film.

Gimlin says that the film of Patty wasn't very good, but the film of the tracks and casting is good. He says plain, meaning clear, I think.

Those are interesting comments that I never noticed before.....

Course the film footage of the creature wasn’t that good
 
From the 1992 Gimlin interview:

Gimlin: Yeah John, that is what Roger was telling me. I wasn’t all that interested at the time, whatever it was you know? In the end it probably weighed approximately 500 pounds to make tracks that deep in the dirt. Of course, when it walked, it kicked up a certain amount of dirt from the pressure of the toes pushing away.

Now Patty is kicking up dirt as she walks. Interesting.....
 
Huntster, I am referring to reports from Folks such as Fahrenbach and Meldrum being inconclusive about hair, etc. Krantz was certainly inconclusive about some stuff as well.

I do believe it is insufficient, and that part was obviously my opinion.

I think I can dismiss the film merely by reading P/G's accounts of how it came to be, actually.

I haven't actually dismissed the film, though. Bigfoot either. It is still possible that the film and bigfoot are genuine.
 
Science is taking the default negative position until proof is provided.

The evidence is there. It has been deemed "insufficient", "inconclusive", "poor", "shoddy", etc.

Well, there are thirty-some pages of debate here at your fingertips.

Would you mail me a nickel for each comment made on this thread to the effect that "there is definately no such thing as bigfoot"?

Yeah right, science just sits around waiting for proof.

I believe the debate is about weather or not the evidence that is out there suggests bigfoot exists. The argument is realy over the quality of the evidence.

I will take your bet - find the number of times someone said outright that there is no bigfoot, and I'll send you a nickel for each occurrence. Your bluff is called...
 
Part of me really wants bigfoot to be found because I am certain that a few prominent bigfooters are going to look like idiots when their ideas about bigfoot are proven to be way off of reality.

Meldrum is going to be the first to go down in flames, imo.
 
Where are these 3-1/2 inch deep tracks? Why not cast these? If your foot is sinking that far into the soil, you will indeed walk funny and leave some very messy footprints.

I don't believe for a second that Patty left any such tracks.

Right. Patty was a bloke in a suit. The tracks made in the creekbed by this bloke were not cast, filmed or photographed. The soles of the suit feet were flat, featureless, flexible platforms.... like house slippers or clown feet. Can you recall the "Paddlefoot" animated gif that I posted here last summer? These fake feet created large but "worthless" impressions on the ground.

What I believe happened with the PGF hoax is close to this:

1) Patterson films Heironimus walking in the Bigfoot suit at Bluff Creek several weeks prior to October 20, 1967. Gimlin is with them and assists.

2) Patterson has the film developed and begins editing it for maximum "believability".

3) Patterson creates a fake trackway at Bluff Creek on October 20 (a Friday). Gimlin is with him. They make plaster castings of some of these fake tracks and also filmed the tracks. The night of October 20th, Patterson begins to inform people that he has filmed a Bigfoot earlier in the day.

4) On October 21st, Lyle Laverty visits Bluff Creek and observes and photographs some of the fake foot imprints that he finds.

5) Also on October 21st, The Times-Standard newspaper (Eureka, CA) runs an article/interview of Patterson and his filmed encounter with Patty.

6) On the morning of October 22 (a Sunday), a group of people (including Patterson) assemble at Al DeAtley's house and watch the film of Patty that was supposidly filmed about 44 hours before this time. Patterson did not show them the "2nd roll of film" (which he claimed contained the filming of the trackway). I suspect this is because it had not been developed yet, nor any time allowed for editing.

At some time, Patterson & Gimlin concoct a mutual fake storyline that melds 1) & 3) so that they are conceived to be a single event that happened on October 20th. They add details to give credence, complexity and flavor to the supposed encounter and filming. A contemporary examination of their story (which differs between them) reveals preposterous claims of their actions which cannot realistically be shoe-horned into a functional timeline.

There are certainly more things to say about the creation of the hoax film itself and also of the continued hoaxery that followed. In many ways, the hoaxery of the PGF still exists through secrecy and obfuscation by those who support its authenticity.
 
Yeah right, science just sits around waiting for proof.

I believe the debate is about weather or not the evidence that is out there suggests bigfoot exists. The argument is realy over the quality of the evidence.

I will take your bet - find the number of times someone said outright that there is no bigfoot, and I'll send you a nickel for each occurrence. Your bluff is called...
Be careful, it'll cost you a few bucks. Between the half dozen or so threads on this topic in the last year or so, there are several thousand posts. I know on several occasions I have posted flatly that Bigfoot does not exist. Do I know that for a fact? Of course not. But the endless arguing in circles about minutia gets on my nerves. If the woos have something to support their claims they need to come out with it instead of pretending that what they've presented so far hasn't been sufficiently refuted to cast doubt on it.
 
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