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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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William Parcher said:
Your first sentence is incomplete...
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This is what happens when I don't finish my coffee before posting... ;)

But any such legal contract would not be breached unless Gimlin actually did confess. What happens then and how would the contract be enforced? If the PGF hoax would constitute legal fraud, then it seems the contract would be another crime in itself.
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Valid point. Conceded.

Avindair
 
Okay.

And this explains why the drawing -- down to the pose, with only one leg position different -- looks so similar to the PGF because...?
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My point exactly!
Or is the point that "patty" looks like the drawings because the drawings are made from real BF-encounters and thus adds to the credibility of the PGF?
 
Maldon said:
My point exactly!
Or is the point that "patty" looks like the drawings because the drawings are made from real BF-encounters and thus adds to the credibility of the PGF?
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Ahhh but which came first the Patty or the pictures?? That is the question. I believe the drawings came first than Patty...who looks remarkably like the drawings....right down to the pose like Avindair says.
 
"Rumble in the Jnugle" by RP.

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Dfoot said:
The funniest thing about all of this is that anyone with half a brain who is interested in the topic will read the posts over there and notice the very cult-like behavior going on. I don't have to say it. Any critical thinker can see it. This has been very revealing to me as to what has helped deliberate hoaxes thrive through the years.
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Exactly,cult-like behavior.....which is why I've dubbed them Bigfoot Nation

I think my favorite Bigfoot Nation contradiction has got to be the whole Bigfeets are elusive nocturnal buggers who live in very sparsely populated areas of the fruited plain and this is why NO ONE...not a single solitary soul has come even remotely close to duplicating Rodge's feat in the ensuing 41 years.....which of course flys in the face of all the Grade A sightings being posted over at the BFRO but whadda ya do?....Bigfeet,he's nowhere...yet everywhere at the same time.
 
William While you're logging Patterson's wardrobe its worth noting that apparantly he possessed only one shirt. That orange and white shirt shows up in virtually every Bluff Creek/PGF related photo. Now the long haired Indian that's being shown as Bob Gimlin just may not be him at all. This photo had the sequence going from left to right as Patterson, Bob H and Bob Gimlin.


 
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William Parcher said:
"Rumble in the Jnugle" by RP.

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Not that this has anything to with anything but there's movie that has a Bear V Bigfeet scene in it...wonder if Rodge was a contributor...I think it was called simply....Bigfoot....and I wanna say it came out around 69 or 70.... anyway... I saw your image and immediately thought of that flick.
 
Crowlogic said:
William While you're logging Patterson's wardrobe its worth noting that apparantly he possessed only one shirt. That orange and white shirt shows up in virtually every Bluff Creek/PGF related photo. Now the long haired Indian that's being shown as Bob Gimlin just may not be him at all. This photo had the sequence going from left to right as Patterson, Bob H and Bob Gimlin.


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Does the this guy look a thing like the third one from the left? To me he looks alot more like the long haired Indian....but what do I know?

 
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Crowlogic said:
William While you're logging Patterson's wardrobe its worth noting that apparantly he possessed only one shirt. That orange and white shirt shows up in virtually every Bluff Creek/PGF related photo. Now the long haired Indian that's being shown as Bob Gimlin just may not be him at all. This photo had the sequence going from left to right as Patterson, Bob H and Bob Gimlin.
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Don't bring a peashooter to Thunderdome, Mr. ADD. Numerous times I mentioned that Roger seems to favor a red plaid shirt. There are some scenes where his shirt cannot be seen with enough clarity to determine what it is. I may have even mentioned that it's possible he had more than one of these plaid shirts.

That is Bob Gimlin in the wig, and there was never any question about that. The caption you cite is very wrong. Is it possible that you read it wrong? If not, I'd be interested in knowing where you read that erroneous naming of the guys.
 
William Parcher said:
Don't bring a peashooter to Thunderdome, Mr. ADD. Numerous times I mentioned that Roger seems to favor a red plaid shirt. There are some scenes where his shirt cannot be seen with enough clarity to determine what it is. I may have even mentioned that it's possible he had more than one of these plaid shirts.

That is Bob Gimlin in the wig, and there was never any question about that. The caption you cite is very wrong. Is it possible that you read it wrong? If not, I'd be interested in knowing where you read that erroneous naming of the guys.
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William, William, William you surprise me you've made the assumption of Mr. concerning me in your response. Lets assume all we want about Mr. Patterson's shirts, Bob's wigs and even why female Sasquatch were in the written and filmed works of Roger Patterson. But gender assumptions about internet forum posters can be a leaps of assumptions lacking accuracy.

That said I really don't remember where I downloaded the horse and rider lineup.

One last question what is this Thunderdome you and some others keep talking about?
 
Crowlogic said:
Now the long haired Indian that's being shown as Bob Gimlin just may not be him at all.
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Crowlogic said:
One last question what is this Thunderdome you and some others keep talking about?
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That would be here - a place where people who argue extensively for the validity of the PGF as a bigfoot are expected to recognize a picture of Bob Gimlin when they see it, for one.

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But gender assumptions about internet forum posters can be a leaps of assumptions lacking accuracy.
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Shazbot? Translation - I haven't thought of reasonable excuses for Patterson's behavior pointing to a hoax so I think I'll focus on minor gender issues.
 
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kitakaze said:
That would be here - a place where people who argue extensively for the validity of the PGF as a bigfoot are expected to recognize a picture of Bob Gimlin when they see it, for one.

Shazbot? Translation - I haven't thought of reasonable excuses for Patterson's behavior pointing to a hoax so I think I'll focus on minor gender issues.
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Are you looking for a fight? Find it elsewhere you don't matter to me.
 
GT/CS said:
Crow, what makes you think bigfoot is extinct?
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Reasons why I think Sasquatch went extinct.

1. They never existed in great numbers. Since the advent of modern man range and habitat pressures from human beings combined to drive the low numbers into less hospitable areas which would further lower population numbers. Think about the number of Wild Gorillias in Africa vs the numbers of humans and apply it to the North American Sasquatch vs human ratio and you'll get the idea.

2. Whereas humans displaced nearly all competeing pretadors and prey animals in the most favorable habitats (temperate flatlands and temperate highland valleys) our activities of mining and especially lumbering have been invasive to much of the uninhabitated regions that do not serve as human population centers or farming areas.

3. While large forest areas still remain in the PNW (I do not subscribe to the idea that Sasquatch range extended below Santa Cruz CA or east beyond Idaho) many of these forests are second and third generation of replantings and the variety of flora in these reforested areas is not what it was when those areas were virgin forest. So there is potentially less food for an already diminished population. Creatures can hide and it does indeed seem as if Sasquatch was willing and adept at hiding or at least staying out of human contact. More importantly perhaps was the need or imperiative to stay out of human sight and contact. I mantain that that imperiative combined with the burden of the pressures imposed by segments 1 & 2 conspired to induce in Sasquatch a kind of "open air or wild captivity" that reduce breeding to zero or near zero until this relic population of primates left over from the Ice Age dwindled to an unsustainable number and so the species went extinct in the early to middle part of the last century.
 
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I was listening to the cast and crew commentary on the collector's edition DVD of "Return of the Living Dead" today and was amused to hear some comments about Bill Munns' work. I also think there were some other comments on his work on the director's commentary.

On a similar note, the "Designing the Dead" featurette shows that the filmed product doesn't always look exactly like the original concept art. Proponents who argue against Patterson designing Patty since Patty doesn't look exactly like his drawings should take note of this...
 
Crowlogic said:
William would you like to be on the recieving end of a British .303? I mean its gotta hurt!
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Yeah, it would hurt you or me. But Roger knew that Bigfoot is truly enormous because he drew a picture of the one that lifted his car. Looking at the drawn size of the Bigfoot lifting his VW, he would have been a fool to take a .303 British as self-defense (he didn't want to kill a Bigfoot unless absolutely necessary). He needed a really big rifle like that used for elephants or Cape buffalo. He must have deduced that after actually seeing the whopper that lifted his car. Roger was not the kind of guy to lie about anything or tell false stories. I guess he didn't have the money to buy a gun that would stop Grendel before it tore him in half. Maybe he was just naive.

Look again at that drawing he made. Note the size of the animal he witnessed lifting his VW Beetle. Then, at least allow him to make the mistake of bringing the wrong gun to go searching for this Bigfoot.
 
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That's a perfect scenario Logic. They went extinct moments before man had a grasp on them. That's so much better than "my video camera battery was dead and I didn't have a spare".


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