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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Diogenes, I thought it was a good question.

Patty could have gone anywhere when she got behind cover, and she should have kept that cover between her and her pursuer and headed for the woods, imo.
 
The cast display scene:

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Murphy to Knights said:
So dark-looking casts like those Patterson is holding (attached) indicate to me that the sand/soil is still adhering to the plaster BECAUSE IT IS WET.
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Now go to 2:52 and look at what is sitting on Krantz's desk.

Where are those "grey" casts from, and are they made of something other than pure Plaster of Paris?
 
I have read that that sand is greyish.

It might be then reasonable to assume that any plaster casts made on the sandbar (Patterson & Titmus) may have embedded granules that cause the casts to look greyish even when they are dry. If this was the case back then (cast display scene), and even now (granules still embedded to this day); should we expect at least some actual casts from the sandbar to be greyish on the bottom and white on top?

If Krantz flips the casts on his desk, will they look white?
 
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Patterson's right knee and leg are stuck in the wet soil in the casting shots. Yet his right knee is clean and dry when he's standing up and holding the supposedly still wet on the bottom casts.
 
William Parcher said:
The cast display scene:
Now go to 2:52 and look at what is sitting on Krantz's desk.

Where are those "grey" casts from, and are they made of something other than pure Plaster of Paris?
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That clip seems to create confusion with regards to what is the PGF. The narration seems to connect all of the footage from 1:55 to 2:45* (2:35 to 2:45 is a freeze frame).

From 1:55 to 2:05 we see two men on horseback, one leading a pack horse. The assumption is that this is Patterson and Gimlin. But it can't be the two of them at Bluff Creek as part of the film that includes the "Patty" footage. It shows two riders and someone is operating the camera and only the two of them were there. There's no cameraman available at that time. This is not PGF footage and given that, no reason to assume that the riders are Patterson and/or Gimlin.

From 2:05 to 2:15 there's footage of a single rider leading a pack horse. I believe this is generally accepted as Patterson at Bluff Creek. The hat, jacket and left-handedness support the possibility of Patterson. But Gimlin is quoted as saying he has no recollection of filming at Bluff Creek. Is this a misquote, a misstatement by Gimlin, or another example of unrelated footage?

Then we get about 20 seconds of "Patty" footage. Considering what we can be sure about the preceding footage, why do we trust this?

*Time indexes are approximate.
 
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It seems obvious that the plaster pour scene and the cast display scene are not closely related in time or space.
 
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From 1:55 to 2:05 we see two men on horseback, one leading a pack horse. The assumption is that this is Patterson and Gimlin. But it can't be the two of them at Bluff Creek as part of the film that includes the "Patty" footage. It shows two riders and someone is operating the camera and only the two of them were there. There's no cameraman available at that time. This is not PGF footage and given that, no reason to assume that the riders are Patterson and/or Gimlin.
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We've already established in this thread that that scene shows Bob Heironimus ahead of Jerry Merritt, and was shot in Washington.

From 2:05 to 2:15 there's footage of a single rider leading a pack horse. I believe this is generally accepted as Patterson at Bluff Creek. The hat, jacket and left-handedness support the possibility of Patterson. But Gimlin is quoted as saying he has no recollection of filming at Bluff Creek. Is this a misquote, a misstatement by Gimlin, or another example of unrelated footage?
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We've also established that that is RP at Bluff Creek and therefore BG must be holding the camera. Pattycakes must allow Gimlin to have faulty recollections - but under no circumstances will they allow that for Heironimus.
 
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Patterson's right knee and leg are stuck in the wet soil in the casting shots. Yet his right knee is clean and dry when he's standing up and holding the supposedly still wet on the bottom casts.
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Oh yes. The casting footage.

Apparently Patterson had two 100 foot rolls of film.

What's on the first roll? What's on the second roll?

Some dismiss the first roll as wildlife footage of no significance that Patterson shot in the days before the encounter.

However, Patterson's account usually includes saying he ran the camera attempting to get shots of the creature until the film ran out. So if there's any footage of Patterson casting prints made by "Patty" they have to be on the second roll and "Patty" herself on the first roll.

Then there's the question of who filmed Patterson casting the tracks. Remember, Gimlin is quoted as not recalling doing any camera operation at Bluff Creek. But there was nobody else there. Again, is Gimlin being misquoted, is Gimlin making a misstatement, or is the footage of Patterson making casts something else entirely?

How could Gimlin be so wrong about operating the camera? Either his statements are being misrepresented, or he's horribly wrong. In either case, Gimlin testimony about the PGF is highly questionable.
 
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We've already established in this thread that that scene shows Bob Heironimus ahead of Jerry Merritt, and was shot in Washington.
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Okay.



William Parcher said:
We've also established that that is RP at Bluff Creek and therefore BG must be holding the camera. Pattycakes must allow Gimlin to have faulty recollections - but under no circumstances will they allow that for Heironimus.
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Really faulty.
 
B: After chasing them up and down the road for a little while and finally catching them, well we talked it over and I said I'd check around and see if maybe that I could find some tracks where she had come into this area and possibly sight the other one, so I took the camera while he gathered up his stuff and ..
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67 radio interview. Gimlin says he took the camera and went looking for tracks. Clearly he went looking for tracks with the camera so that he could film the tracks and possibly the other bigfoot.

So, did Bob film the tracks while Roger was putting his horse and gear back together?

Don't forget that they had a still camera as well. The camera is often mentioned, but no pictures taken with it that day are ever talked about.
 
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B: And she was heavy, although I had no way of estimating her weight at that time, and only guessed at it since then, but she turned and she stood there for an instant then she turned and started up over this bar .
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The stomp test is completely missing from the 67 radio interview as well. Gimlin makes no mention of it at all, right when he should have when asked about Patty's characteristics.
 
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B: After chasing them up and down the road for a little while and finally catching them, well we talked it over and I said I'd check around and see if maybe that I could find some tracks where she had come into this area and possibly sight the other one, so I took the camera while he gathered up his stuff and ..
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Correction. Bob is taking the camera and going to look for the tracks where Patty arrived at the scene, to try and film another bigfoot. Clearly Bob is very familiar with using the camera because he takes it to go off and try to film "the other one", and Roger lets this happen.
 
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Correction. Bob is taking the camera and going to look for the tracks where Patty arrived at the scene, to try and film another bigfoot. Clearly Bob is very familiar with using the camera because he takes it to go off and try to film "the other one", and Roger lets this happen.
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Did Gimlin ever claim to have not filmed at Bluff Creek?

Were those misstatements made by other people, or did he contradict himself?
 
Did Gimlin ever claim to have not filmed at Bluff Creek?

Were those misstatements made by other people, or did he contradict himself?
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I'm going to have to say that I don't really know.

I just think that line from Gimlin is huge. He leaves Roger alone, takes the camera to go look for the tracks where Patty arrived to try and film "the other one."

What other one?
 
Daniel Perez's "Bigfoot Times"

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Interestingly, Mr. Bob Gimlin has little or no recollection of ever being at an airport to ship the movie film or ever using the camera to film Roger, but did concede, “I must have used that camera.” Mind you, almost 40 years have slipped by and many people can’t remember details after 4 years much less 40 years!"
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Imagine if Heironimus said those things about not remembering minutae about the suit. "When you see Patty on film, that's me inside of her. It must be true because I was inside the suit. But I may have forgotten details about the suit. Of course I was there at Bluff Creek as well, but I may not remember details of the roads, turns and distances. I never went back there again anyway. I hope you understand that."
 
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