Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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I dont get it either, I see people stating "I tried to duplicate the walk but I failed" (at BFF), I am curious how they came up with a model in which to test. Are they using the distances between prints of the trackway?

Rick

Being skeptical, I'm one of those that have laid out the measurement on the floor and tried to duplicate the walk based on the reported 'typical' stride (left heel to left heel) of 81.5 inches. In attempting to duplicate the stride, I tried to ensure my foot was thrust to the rear as evident in the film. Can I duplicate the stride length? Yes, but not without looking somewhat like Groucho Marx (or John Cleese doing the silly walk). However, I'm only 6' tall, and another person of greater height may not have similar difficulties.

It has been pointed out that the tracks (and subsequently the stride length too) may be entirely faked. That very well may be.

RayG
 
... it was soon obvious that he did not
come up the creek but most probably came down the mountain, up the
hard road a ways and then crossed the creek onto the sandbar. "

Remedial reading recommended.

Translation:

" Since I am not willing to consider the possibility that the tracks are fake ( which is indicated by them appearing out of nowhere ), and I could not find where the tracks began, they must have come down from the mountain.. "

In other words " Titmus is saying Patty's tracks just appear where P/G first saw her. " Wait ! wasn't that what LTC8K6 just said ?

Remedial reading recommended? Indeed.

I wonder why he was able to find sign going up the mountain where Patty left the creek, but not where she entered ? Terrain all that different in a few hundred feet ?

At least he seems to be honest about what he saw..
 
Wrong.

I'll link to some pictures of his suits tomorrow, unless you want to do a search yourself.

In the meantime, my parents were atheist and agnostic and I'm an atheist, so don't be blaming religion for the way you think I think. I escaped the damned stuff. And I had the highest IQ every recorded at the suburban Chicago school I attended. Of course my classmates were pretty dumb.............. ;)


Hmmm, makes me wonder if your classmates are bigfoot bleevers.
 
Diogenes, I think if Titmus had found where Patty came from, he'd have mentioned it instead of just speculating as to how she got there without leaving tracks.

Keep in mind that P/G were riding all over the area that morning, and apparently didn't run across Patty or her fresh tracks.

It's too bad Titmus was such a believer. Someone more objective might have pursued the thoughts about where Patty came from, and the P/G film might have been in big trouble right off the bat.
 
This is a photo of a Morris suit of the type Morris claimed he sold Patterson for $419 + S & H. Of, course he doesn't have the records. It appears in Long's book. I don't know why Long thought it would help his case. Anyone who thinks something like this was in the film has my sympathy.

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http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4395&st=0
 
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But the deeper tracks can't be from the same person!!!!

I think we have actually talked about the things tube did, but I am glad he actually did them.

I believe I actually said I could get that pressure ridge using a piece of 2 X 4.
 
It seems obvious that when you deliberately take an exaggerated stride, your heel is going to really dig in on the landing, and your toes are going to have to push off much harder.

At least some folks are thinking about how these tracks could be made, instead of just acting like they can't figure out how....or blindly repeating that somebody else already tried it.....or blindly repeating that it can't be done....or blindly repeating that no one would go to "all the trouble"....etc.

If my father hadn't suffered a stroke recently*, I would have had some time to fool with footprints in the field. The place where I checked on dermal ridge details would be a good place to try with tracks as well.

* He is doing well and slowly coming back to normal.
 
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Now let's revisit the stepped heel in this image of one of Patty's tracks. In light of tube's work, I think it is now obvious exactly how the stepped heel was formed by someone exaggerating their stride.

My earlier explanation could work too, but an exaggerated stride is more likely the cause, imo.
 
This is a photo of a Morris suit of the type Morris claimed he sold Patterson for $419 + S & H. Of, course he doesn't have the records. It appears in Long's book. I don't know why Long thought it would help his case. Anyone who thinks something like this was in the film has my sympathy.

Is showing us a crappy gorilla suit supposed to prove something? You mean that's NOTthe suit we see in PGF!? Oh my! We have been so blind !

Long's book is pathetic in more ways than one..
Doesn't mean Patty is real though..
 
A quick aside for LAL:

Recently, in an interesting curio shop, I saw a Bigfoot action figure, and I thought of you, LAL. If I knew your address, I'd have bought it and sent it to you for a holiday present. NOT that I want your address, Lu - I'm not a stalker or anything. Just wanted to let you know I thought of you.

Incidentally, they also had an Edgar Allan Poe action figure, that I just might have to buy.
 
Incidentally, they also had an Edgar Allan Poe action figure, that I just might have to buy.

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Say what? What sort of accessories do you get with an action figure like that?!?! A gravestone, a poseable Raven™ and a free dose of opium? ( Warning: small parts may present a choking hazard. Morbid introspection not suitable for children under 8 years old ) :skull:

Um...did they have a Lovecraft action figure...?

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Say what? What sort of accessories do you get with an action figure like that?!?! A gravestone, a poseable Raven™ and a free dose of opium? ( Warning: small parts may present a choking hazard. Morbid introspection not suitable for children under 8 years old ) :skull:

Um...did they have a Lovecraft action figure...?

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http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AU11316

For your perusal...

I've also seen Poe plushies, Poe bobble-heads, etc.

No Lovecraft so far... but who knows?
 
OK, I was a bit bored this afternoon and had nothing better to do, so I decided to waste a couple of minutes and write something on the following comment:
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You aren't answering the questions. Why would delusions vary by region? Why would a misidentified mobile tree stump be white in Illinois and dark brown in Oregon? Why do people have some deep need to imagine monsters in the forests, but not in the deserts?
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First of all, lets recognize that there are myths about monsters and fabulous creatures nearly at every single corner of the world. Deserts are not an exception. People have deep needs to see -and belive that there are- monsters and fabulous creatures everywhere. Now that the original statement is corrected, we can continue.
"Why delusions vary with region?"
Lets follow the proposed line of reasoning, that can be defined as "the differences in sigting reports mean different species (or genus or subspecies)". Now, what about asking why the reports of lake monsters change with location? Why people see serpentiform creatures (Cardborosaurus) in North America lakes but in Loch Nessand plesiosaur-like (Nessieteras) animals ? According to the reasoning in question, the answer would be that the lakes from North America are home to a species different of aquatic monsters different from Loch Ness. However, despite the cryptozoologists' claims, both belong to the species Inexistentsaurus immaginarius. The lakes in question are just not able to sustain a viable population of such large creatures. Thus, the argument that different descriptions could indicate different species is not sustained.
But why are they different?
A good answer would be a combination between the eyewitnesses' cultural background with the environment where the sighting happened (asuming they are not lies). Also, light conditions can influentiate color perception, a condition that migh influentiate the reported creature color (it may even be the key factor). Human perception and memory have many flaws, trees have different colors (that change accordig to lightining conditions). And legends, tales and reports of brown creatures at location A might induce people to report such feature. Remember that the so-called "mobile tree stumps" might not have been moving at all!
Again, myths and sighting reports are not a valid argument pro-existence of Bigfootus inexistans...
 
But isn't it possible that this particular sasquatch was suffering from the same genetic flaw that caused tales of wolfmen early on? (Lycanthropy?)

:boxedin:

Oh, man. Don't get me started about trying to explain occurences in the distant past that of questionable reality by invoking scientific hypothesis ...

The Red Sea really DID part for Moses! And we can explain how he did it!

Nevermind that there's no way to verify it even happened in the first place, let alone how.

I think I need to start a whole new topic on this.
 
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Say what? What sort of accessories do you get with an action figure like that?!?! A gravestone, a poseable Raven™ and a free dose of opium? ( Warning: small parts may present a choking hazard. Morbid introspection not suitable for children under 8 years old ) :skull:

Um...did they have a Lovecraft action figure...?

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Not sure about accessories, but I do think the fur comes off to show that it's a bloke in a suit.
 
Hmmm, makes me wonder if your classmates are bigfoot bleevers.

I've been out of school for a long, long time. None of us had ever heard of this, to my knowlege.

I was just trying to be modest in my post. My brother's a PhD and all my kids are College grads, one with a master's . My dad produced a radio show featuring some of the most brilliant kids in the country. Brains run in the family.

I'm getting a little tired of the characterizations I see around here. If you have something to contribute, fine, if not...............
 
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