Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Correa Neto]

How many traits unique to bigfeet footprints can you find in this trail?

I "see" mid tarsal breaks and hourglass shaped footprints.
Oh, and it also happens that...
I see dead people!

Where is it from? (highlight to see)
Footprints in vocanic ash, left by people fleeingin from Vesuvius AD 79 eruption.
Source: (highlight to see)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4780916.stm

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Dfoot :
...The first thing I noticed when I saw the actual photos of the prints at Bluff Creek (which Green said had nothing to do with the Wallace feet) is that they DO match the Wallace feet....

Your evidence, please.

I wish I knew how to post larger or multiple images over here. Guess I'd better look that up.


Anyhow... here ya go:

Green tries to cast a Wallace print below.

- Dfoot

That photo of Green casting a print is evidence that the Bluff Creek prints "match the Wallace feet"?

 

[Huntster]

Nope. There goes Marx's film. The tracks are a different presentation of evidence.

That's a nice opinion, Huntster. I'm not sure it means anything, but it sounds good.

It's too bad that most people are actually interested in the fact of a known hoaxer's presence, and don't dismiss it as readily....

That, too, is an interesting opinion. I don't know if it means anything, and it doesn't even sound cogent.

My point was this:

The Marx film is an obvious hoax.

The Bossburg footprints are not.

They are two different articles of evidence.

Does that make sense?

... Until the bigfoot believers distance themselves from Wallace, Marx, and Freeman, these guys are forever going to be anchors.

Every time evidence associated with them is brought up, the fact that they are hoaxers is also going to come up, and objective folks are rightly going to question that evidence closely....

I distance myself from known hoaxers and their hoaxes (thus my new-found skepticism regarding everything Dfoot writes).

The ball & chain is locked onto the ankles of sasquatchery by people who use any and all tools possible to inject doubt into the equation......

People like yourself.

 

[LTC8K6]

That's fine, Hunster. Except that the Bossburg prints are an obvious hoax to others.

You don't think it's a bit suspicious that a film of a crippled bigfoot turns up around the time crippled bigfoot tracks show up?

I don't believe it for a minute. Anyone would think that was suspicious.

 

[LTC8K6]

So about 18 or 19 days went by between the time it was known a "crippled" bigfoot was in the area, Nov 24, and the time the 1,089 print long trackway was found on the morning of Dec 13?

Cripplefoot hung around the area for quite a while, yet no trace of him could be found when a search was mounted?

Does bigfoot ever just stand around, or does he just walk all the time?

Where are the sets of prints of bigfoot standing still, or squatting, or milling around in nearly the same spot?

 

[Huntster]

....You don't think it's a bit suspicious that a film of a crippled bigfoot turns up around the time crippled bigfoot tracks show up?.....

The first crippled prints were found by a local butcher on Nov. 24, 1969 at the local dump.

Marx tried to sell his "film" in October of 1970, nearly a year later, and also after he was aware of the "bidding war" conducted by others for "Metlow's sasquatch".

You have absolutely no evidence that Marx hoaxed the prints. You're just injecting doubt, and I'm open to the evidence.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Here is the shot where you can really see how phoney the tracks and the trackway are.
I can't believe folks didn't bust out laughing at the poor hoax....

I have this idea..

It is a big wheel with feet around the circumfernce.. You just roll it along..

 

[Skeptical Greg]

A few more Wallace feet.

Hmmmmmm.. Do I see a Laverty foot in there somewhere..


Off to photo shop.. Get back with you later..... ( chuckles to myself )

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I don't know about that, but we've seen these type clownfeet before...

I think we have a match for this one as well...

 

[Huntster]

Hmmmmmm.. Do I see a Laverty foot in there somewhere..


Off to photo shop.. Get back with you later..... ( chuckles to myself )

I know you're an admirer of Dfoot. Don't try pulling the same stunt, and ruining your credibility through action as well as words.

Remember, I'm highly skeptical.............

 

[tube]

Does bigfoot ever just stand around, or does he just walk all the time?

Where are the sets of prints of bigfoot standing still, or squatting, or milling around in nearly the same spot?

I think you are putting this out in a somewhat whimsical way, but I think this is a serious question. While I cannot claim direct knowledge of primatology, I have been to the Woodland Park zoo here in Seattle several times and spent lots of time watching the gorillas and orangutans. The fact is, they just don't move around a lot.

The great majority of Sasquatch sightings are of the animal on the move. Of course, one could argue this is because motion attracts the eye, and perhaps a sedentary Sasquatch is one that is overlooked.

Sasquatch MUST stop walking at some point. What I wonder about is in all the years that men have been roaming North America with high powered rifles, surely such a recumbent 'Squatch would have been mistaken for a bear and shot. Why has this not happened?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Spoke too soon.. They don't match well at all.. Only some superficial similarities...

Well.. Back to the field..

 

[Huntster]

...Sasquatch MUST stop walking at some point. What I wonder about is in all the years that men have been roaming North America with high powered rifles, surely such a recumbent 'Squatch would have been mistaken for a bear and shot. Why has this not happened?

There are an estimated 770,000 to 800,000 black bears in the United States and Canada. This does not include brown bears. Virtually every single one of them dens for the winter. Sometimes they're there for months.

How many bear dens have you found?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I think you are putting this out in a somewhat whimsical way, but I think this is a serious question. While I cannot claim direct knowledge of primatology, I have been to the Woodland Park zoo here in Seattle several times and spent lots of time watching the gorillas and orangutans. The fact is, they just don't move around a lot.

The great majority of Sasquatch sightings are of the animal on the move. Of course, one could argue this is because motion attracts the eye, and perhaps a sedentary Sasquatch is one that is overlooked.

Sasquatch MUST stop walking at some point. What I wonder about is in all the years that men have been roaming North America with high powered rifles, surely such a recumbent 'Squatch would have been mistaken for a bear and shot. Why has this not happened?

I don't think LTC8K6, was being all that whimsical with this one...


It seems that Bigfeet ( or is that Bigfoots ) only walk in a straight line..

I just realized, it seems odd that BFF doesn't have a ' Tracks ' forum..

I thought tracks were the most compelling evidence we have; or it would seem that Meldrum thinks so .. ( ? )

 

[Skeptical Greg]

There are an estimated 770,000 to 800,000 black bears in the United States and Canada. This does not include brown bears. Virtually every single one of them dens for the winter. Sometimes they're there for months.

How many bear dens have you found?

Well, I haven't looked, but surely you are not suggesting it is all that hard to find them, if an experienced hunter sets out to do so ?

Remember, unlike hunting Sas, it is sometimes possible to use dogs when looking for bear ..

 

[Huntster]

Well, I haven't looked...

You haven't looked for a sasquatch, either, but you seem to have lots of knowledge about them to share.

...but surely you are not suggesting it is all that hard to find them, if an experienced hunter sets out to do so?...

Under some circumstances (high altitude, above treeline, in sub-zero temps) they can be found relatively easily (if you are equipped to travel widely in such terrain).

Under other circumstances (densely foliated rainforest) I wouldn't even attempt it.

...Remember, unlike hunting Sas, it is sometimes possible to use dogs when looking for bear...

I don't have dogs trained to find or track bears, I don't know where to obtain such dogs, such dogs are illegal in the state I live in, and I have no time to train dogs to do so.

 

[Dfoot]

I know you're an admirer of Dfoot. Don't try pulling the same stunt, and ruining your credibility through action as well as words.

Remember, I'm highly skeptical.............

Huntster: Making a photoshop comp in a deliberate attempt to show people that their thinking may not be fair regarding the suit they keep demanding I make doesn't ruin anyone's cred. Something meant to be so extremely obvious and explained clearly within a few posts doesn't qualify as a "hoax". Embarrassing to those who jumped in to attack "Patty" perhaps, but not a hoax in the least.

Hoaxers are people like Gimlin, who continues to lie to the public. Wallace was a hoaxer. Patterson; a hoaxer. Freeman; a hoaxer. Dfoot? No... unless the art of hoaxing now requires telling the people he's hoaxing all about everything he does - which sort of takes the 'hoax' right out of it and puts it more into the category of 'painful lesson'.

So anyway, HOW does one delete some of the attachments he's posted? I think that's what I need to do since I seem to have used up my allotment. The "check box" doesn't appear next to the images so I can't do that to delete them.

Just need to clear the way so I can see what the heck I'm trying to talk about here.

Thanks,

Dfoot

 

[Huntster]

Huntster:...Hoaxers are people like Gimlin, who continues to lie to the public.....

I know of no lies or hoaxes that Gimlin has been proved.

To my knowledge, the same is true of Patterson.

...Dfoot? No... unless the art of hoaxing now requires telling the people he's hoaxing all about everything he does - which sort of takes the 'hoax' right out of it and puts it more into the category of 'painful lesson'....

You didn't admit or inform anything until after peiltch pointed out the photo job.

It should be painful, and I hope it's a lesson.

 

[Dfoot]

I know of no lies or hoaxes that Gimlin has been proved.

To my knowledge, the same is true of Patterson.



You didn't admit or inform anything until after peiltch pointed out the photo job.

It should be painful, and I hope it's a lesson.

Check the records of Gimlin's arrest and his parents having to put up their home to bail him out. Then check the whopper of a lie he told Greg Long in an effort to keep up the "Honest Bob Gimlin" scam he has going.

Patterson's record speaks for itself and would take too long to list all of the lies, scams and attempts to cheat people out of money that he's been involved in.

I've never once tried to cheat anyone out of anything. And no... it's not because peiltch pointed out the photoshop. It's because I realized that I needed to put in a close-up of Patty's back with a background that was a near perfect match for Bluff Creek before anyone could realize that this was Patty all along and not a different suit.

Having to spoon feed the crowd doesn't turn them into detectives all of a sudden. I was hoping not to have to do that. I was frankly shocked that no one saw it on the first pic. I think I may have overestimated the knowledge some people have regarding what is on the film.

The fact that it was painful to some was pretty obvious by the over-the-top shrill reaction to having their lack of objectivity pointed out. But was any lesson learned by anyone over there? Seems unlikely given the denial mode that was enacted within moments of my explaining what I'd just done and why.

Yet I can't help but think there are a few people who cruise through such posts and actually get the point of the experiment. The rest may take some years and exposure to hoaxing before they are able to wake up and realize that the phony PG flick and faked footprints have nothing to do with any genuine investigation into what Sasquatch was or may be.

- Dfoot

 

[Huntster]

Check the records of Gimlin's arrest and his parents having to put up their home to bail him out. Then check the whopper of a lie he told Greg Long in an effort to keep up the "Honest Bob Gimlin" scam he has going........

What lie did he tell Long about his arrest/bail/etc?

And what does that have to do with the subject on the PG film?

And, after what you just got caught doing, it's rather sad to see you bring up numerous charges against Patterson. The only thing you can possibly have to even back those accusations up are the words of somebody else.

...I've never once tried to cheat anyone out of anything. And no... it's not because peiltch pointed out the photoshop. It's because I realized that I needed to put in a close-up of Patty's back with a background that was a near perfect match for Bluff Creek before anyone could realize that this was Patty all along and not a different suit.

Having to spoon feed the crowd doesn't turn them into detectives all of a sudden. I was hoping not to have to do that. I was frankly shocked that no one saw it on the first pic. I think I may have overestimated the knowledge some people have regarding what is on the film.

The fact that it was painful to some was pretty obvious by the over-the-top shrill reaction to having their lack of objectivity pointed out. But was any lesson learned by anyone over there? Seems unlikely given the denial mode that was enacted within moments of my explaining what I'd just done and why.

Yet I can't help but think there are a few people who cruise through such posts and actually get the point of the experiment. The rest may take some years and exposure to hoaxing before they are able to wake up and realize that the phony PG flick and faked footprints have nothing to do with any genuine investigation into what Sasquatch was or may be....

Sorry, Dfoot. The only thing you proved to me with that stunt was that you can't be trusted.