Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Skeptical Greg]

According to the digital recreation that was based on a Bluff Creek Patty cast,

Patty is about 5' 7 " ..

One Patty foot ( PATFOOT ) = 14.5 inches ...

Source : http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/pdfs/MeeSasSC.pdf



Now we know how accurate this information is, it is from the team that gave us LMS..

The 3-year long project has yielded surprisingly
accurate results for the study of creature details, right down
to its toes. In this connection, Steindorf used actual
footprint casts made by Patterson to model extremely
accurate feet.

Notice how the finger tips reach the knees ? Is there another Patty we haven't been shown pictures of ?


It is interesting to note that they avoid listing any information like the calculated height, in this fascinating document..

 

[tube]

Not to mention that back in the 60's, common renderings of "cavemen" (and "cavewomen" also) showed curved postures. Check any old representation of what was by then called a caveman -Homo neanderthalensis- and you'll see what I mean.

I think it's quite possible that the "compliant gait" is nothing but an attempt to replicate these sorts of (nowdays dated) renderings.

Yes, I agree. If it is indeed a "guy-in-a-suit" then surely there is some REASON why he is walking with a compliant gait.

 

[tube]

According to the digital recreation that was based on a Bluff Creek Patty cast,

Patty is about 5' 7 " ..

One Patty foot ( PATFOOT ) = 14.5 inches ...

Source : http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/pdfs/MeeSasSC.pdf



Now we know how accurate this information is, it is from the team that gave us LMS..



Notice how the finger tips reach the knees ? Is there another Patty we haven't been shown pictures of ?


It is interesting to note that they avoid listing any information like the calculated height, in this fascinating document..

Outstanding catch, Diogenes. I suggest you post your new image as a BFF avatar...

 

[LTC8K6]

The big deal about the height (and bulk) is that sceptics somehow have to show her proportions are within normal human range to justify the idea it's a "bloke in a suit".

I hate to have to keep explaining this....

It is not up to the skeptics to justify anything.

Those who are making the extraordinary claim are the ones who must justify their claim. They must show that Patty is out of the normal human range. So far, they have not done so.

Imo, they cannot do so without the original films shot by Patterson.

There is absolutely nothing in the films currently available that rules out "bloke in a suit", imo.

There is nothing at the Bluff Creek site that rules out "bloke in a suit", imo.

This is why the original film was actually dismissed by lots of the qualified people who saw it.

We still don't know if we are looking at the same film they saw......

 

[LTC8K6]

Why are Patty's forearms considerably longer in the side view?

 

[LTC8K6]

There appear to be 6 distinct features of the Patterson creature’s gait: hip rotation, high leg lift, ankle rotation, non-locking knees, long strides and the legs swing in and out in a criss-cross fashion.

Huh? Legs swinging out in a criss-cross fashion? Where?

Don't tell me they have tried to fit the hoaxer's straight line prints into this....!

Good grief!

I was wondering how they were going to reconcile Patty's supposed wideness with prints that were often in a nearly straight line. I never thought they'd have her doing a Ministry of Funny Walks skit, though.

They also have Patterson facing Patty when he said Patty was on his left....

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Outstanding catch, Diogenes. I suggest you post your new image as a BFF avatar...

Keep in mind, that this is the same analysation that gave us the highly touted ' wobble ' in the walk, that is markedly inhuman..

Of course, you know all about inhuman walk; huh Tube ?..

P.S.

I'm still contemplating my BFF avatar.. The ' Michelin ' man is high on my list ..

 

[LTC8K6]

This is hilarious! I never actually read this whole page before.

Patty is doing the Funky Chicken, apparently....

Hajicek knew if Steindorf could effect what he wanted,
scientists could study the strange yet graceful criss-cross,
hip-rotating, bent-kneed and ankle twisting gait of the
creature from any angle they chose.

When the digitized creature was seen walking from
another angle, it was obvious that it's legs were operating in
a graceful coordinated "swimming type" motion. Hajicek
has since coined the term, " The Mountain Gait," to describe
this motion.

 

[LTC8K6]

That's supposed to be efficient????

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Why are Patty's forearms considerably longer in the side view?

Actually the wrist and elbow lines up.. The hands are bigger in the profile view..


Still, Patty's hands do not come that close to the knee, though that is one of the myths they try to perpetuate..

 

[Roger Knights]

LAL -- Guess you'd better re-read what I said.
I said it was Patty Patterson's brother (who lives in the house next to Gimlin between Gimlin and Heironimus) ...

Bruce Mondor lives at 230 N. Fork Road / Tampico, WA, next to Patty Patterson. (Tampico is such a tiny town that 411 and Google maps don't list it. One of them calls it Naches and the other files it under Yakima. Maybe it's part of Yakima county.) Tampico is either 12.1 or 12.5 miles from the intersection of Ahtanum Road & S. 90th Ave. The latter street is where Heironimus and Gimlin live. And also Mike Heironimus, Bob's brother, who lives next door to Gimlin. Mondor has never lived on that street.

... who stated that Roger Patterson told him about his method for faking footprints and he also stated that Heironimus did, in fact, wear the suit.

I just spoke to Mondor and he tells me that he "knows nothing about" the Patterson film or any hoax involving it, and that has never made any statements that he has. He says that he was misquoted to that effect in the Fortean Times article by Kal Korff, who (he says) must have been quoting Mike Heironimus (who does live at the location you described) and gotten the source garbled. You can call Mondor to confirm this--it's easy, just dial 411. Speaking to him is a pleasant experience, like most Yakima-area witnesses I've called.

Bruce Mondor (Patty's brother) has no stake in this at all. He could care less. He's simply telling it like it is. - Dfoot

But Mike Heironimus can hardly be called a disinterested party.

I'm surprised that Korff hasn't posted a correction regarding this. He must know it's false (unless he just took Bob Heironimus's word for it that Mondor said this and failed to indicate that he was not quoting Mondor directly by saying, “I’ve been told that Bruce Mondor says …” That’s the way reporters are taught to do it in journalism school, I assume.) And he must know know that others in the anti-Patterson camp have been making use of his erroneously sourced item.

And I'm surprised that those who've cited Mondor's supposed statements as fact have failed to supply a source for his quotes. Dfoot was asked a couple of times months ago on BFF to supply a source for statements like this, but he sailed serenely onward, ignoring those of us who engage in "wishful fantasy-think."

 

[tube]

Welcome aboard Roger!

I'm afraid you have some catching up to do, as today's Google rankings show;
Your neologism "scoftic" is returning only 121 hits as compared to your opponent's "creduloid" at 344 hits.

My own designation of Ivan Sanderson as a "Crypto-Crank" because of his attribution of large tracks found on a Florida beach in 1948 to a 15 foot tall penguin has been met today with an astounding 1,670 Google hits, though skeptical investigation will reveal that these websites do not refer to Sanderson...

My other ad hom neologism "Fat-Fingered-Freak" for the "Minnesota Iceman" is lagging behind at 61 Google hits today.

I'm afraid "woo" is way out ahead at 16,100,000 hits, though many refer to John Woo and his fine film "The Hulk".

 

[Roger Knights]

Hi tube,

I just sent you an e-mail dealing with nicknames and neologisms, responding to one of yours on the same material as in your post above, so I'll post here what was in my e-mail:

Sanderson has been badly fooled at least a couple of times. And he's made things difficult for us PGFers by sloppy reporting about the PG Film. (Giving the time of the encounter as 3:30, for instance.) But a blanket condemnation of "all his works" (which is implied by your nickname) on that basis is unjustified. How about "Snowable Sanderson," suggesting gullibility regarding elaborate hoaxes (the Iceman and the penguin). And gentle mockery works better in the long run, usually, than "the hard stuff."

"Neologisms are ever so much fun." [tube] Yes--and (to take an example that springs to mind somehow) the great virtue of "scoftic" is its understatedness, compared to "pseudo-skeptic," "pathological skeptic," "skepticult," etc. There's nothing too terrible about "scoffing," or of accusing someone of "scoffing." It's just that it "pulls the string" on most of those who adopt a pose of disinterested skepticism.

Welcome aboard Roger!
I'm afraid you have some catching up to do, as today's Google rankings show;
Your neologism "scoftic" is returning only 121 hits as compared to your opponent's "creduloid" at 344 hits.

Because of my faith in gentle mockery, I believe my coinage is more insidious and thus has more staying power than my opponent's, and will outscore his by year-end . (If not, "wait'll next year.") If I'm wrong, you can expect another free book-reward in your mailbox. (Incidentally, would you be rather receive a free roll of flooring underlayment? It's a leftover from a padded-cell project.)

PS: Tube has just pointed out to me by e-mail that his nickname Cypto-Crank has the edge because it uses "'plosives." I've also just noticed that it has the virtue of being a "deeper" alliteration than mine, because two leading letters match ("Cr"), not just one.

 

[tube]

scoffer, scoffer, bread boffer!

 

[tube]

"Crypto-Crank" is a double-dose of alliterative ad hom.

 

[Hitch]

I'm afraid "woo" is way out ahead at 16,100,000 hits, though many refer to John Woo and his fine film "The Hulk".

Ang Lee directed "The Hulk."

 

[Skeptical Greg]

There's nothing too terrible about "scoffing," or of accusing someone of "scoffing." It's just that it "pulls the string" on most of those who adopt a pose of disinterested skepticism.

Disinterested skepticism ? That's a good one..

Trying to imagine how to pull that off...

Maybe, start a thread on a skeptical forum and never post again ?

 

[tube]

Ang Lee directed "The Hulk."

You are correct, sir, quite correct. Worse, I have no even vaguely humorous rejoinder...

 

[tube]

Because of my faith in gentle mockery, I believe my coinage is more insidious and thus has more staying power than my opponent's, and will outscore his by year-end . (If not, "wait'll next year.") If I'm wrong, you can expect another free book-reward in your mailbox. (Incidentally, would you be rather receive a free roll of flooring underlayment? It's a leftover from a padded-cell project.)

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Flooring underlayment? No way, dude, I want your insidious coinage...

I'm sorry, I'm making a mockery of these dour proceedings and I shall presently cease and desist. <MUST CONTROL HUMAN HALF...>

 

[Orthoptera]

According to the digital recreation that was based on a Bluff Creek Patty cast,

Patty is about 5' 7 " ..

One Patty foot ( PATFOOT ) = 14.5 inches ...

Source : http://www.hancockhouse.com/products/pdfs/MeeSasSC.pdf

At least we know where Patty can find a mate: I'm not sure how a golem feels about pinheads or cartoon feet, though the indeterminate genitals seem about right.
Source:http://eq2.mmosite.com/guide/monster/images/golem.jpg