Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[M.K.Davis]

Marlon; I must say, your willingness to "come on board" a forum that includes individuals who may not appreciate your ideas takes courage. But your unwillingness to answer direct, unambiguous questions is spineless.

Why are you resorting to counterattack? Are your claims not on solid ground?

Perhaps you can loan me some of your spine Matt, you seem to have more than you really need. Anwer my question please. It's not a counter attack, but it might lead to a good idea of what true spinelessness really is, and how it can lead to an itchy trigger finger, and can cause a person to shoot from the hip at innocent people. M.K.

 

[LAL]

I'd have to disagree. I haven't found the Skookum cast 'interesting' for a very long time.

Even Meldrum no longer finds it as compelling as he once did.

RayG

You're hanging a lot on your own interpretation of a couple of quotes. Have you e-mailed him for clarification? His response might be interesting.

 

[LAL]

Well, Matt, do you think that the dog's eye is an illusion? Certainly the head has been stretched and skewed. You are using much too weighty a word when you say assertion. I say what I think. When I say it, it's dialogue and nothing more. It's a possibility. The film is going to leave us with plenty of unanswerable questions, to talk about. I'd like to think that I can talk about them, without being stoned if I'm wrong. I'm looking for answers like everyone else. I can change course in mid stream if need be. Here's and example. ://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/honey.htm Go here and view a video that led me down an entirely different road than what I expected. M.K.

Wow! Well done. I'd read the tracks were alligator, so that wasn't true either. There was a discussion of the Honey Island tracks here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.co...p=1161255&highlight=Honey+Island#post1161255).

Does Dennett know?

 

[LAL]

Somebody should put a standing 6.5' tall bear in frame 352 to compare to Patty. I wonder if Patty will look as big?

Maybe that walking away frame would be better. 72?... the one with the perfect foot.

How about a defensive lineman from the period?

The BBC film was not an attempt to duplicate the suit, remember.

How about a whole thread on Patty vs. the NFL?

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11263&st=0

 

[RayG]

RayG, you can be a pain, LOL...

Yep, that's my style.

I nearly burst in to laughter when I read your collection of skinny bigfeet sighting reports.

Damn, one of the few times I wasn't attempting to be humorous too.

Why don't you leave these "inconvenient details" aside?

Ummm... that's my style too!! I want the mystery solved, but I want to use facts to solve it.

RayG

 

[RayG]

In your quote-mining you neglected to mention the context.


...yet there are some who still trot out the rumors that Chambers built the "suit"...

LAL, I didn't get the impression anyone here was claiming Chambers built the suit, merely that Chambers stated IF he had built the suit, he would have done a better job, as per his own words:

"Mr. Chambers did say (in regards to the Patterson footage) that he and his crew wished they had done it, because they would have done it differently. I believe his exact words were, jokingly, 'We could've done better.' "

I'd like to know whether it was confirmed that Chambers was joking when he said that.

RayG

 

[RayG]

You're hanging a lot on your own interpretation of a couple of quotes. Have you e-mailed him for clarification? His response might be interesting.

Well, Meldrum DID make the statements concerning the compelling nature of the cast, and I've seen no effort on his part to correct any misinterpretation I may have regarding his statements. Therefore, I assume I'm not incorrect in my observation.

For what it's worth, I have corresponded via email with him in the past, but Dr. Meldrum seemed to lose interest, and stopped replying when I pressed him about test results on the evidence from the Skookum cast.

After that I never pursued further conversation with him. His statements stand on their own.

I'm pretty sure he'd give YOU his impressions of the cast though, you come off as much more of a fan than I do.

RayG

 

[tube]

Marlon;

Well, you are obviously unwilling to answer questions about eye infections, boils, scars, "mid-foot flexibility", or dilated pupils. How about "scampering down to all fours"? Does the film subject "scamper down to all fours"?

This would seem to be a rather obvious feature, something able to be seen more clearly than, say, Beckjord's "extra baboon head".

 

[LTC8K6]

Does the film subject "scamper down to all fours"?

Did Bob Titmus mention this? He should have seen that clearly in the tracks.

Handprints would have been a big deal to P/G as well, I would think.

 

[Huntster]

....AFAIK most bigfeet are not supposed to be black.....

My understanding is that most are black, and other colors are also seen.

...AFAIK they are supposed to have "T-shaped" torsos, something Patty has not, and BBC´s bigfoot has....

My understanding is that the males tend to be huge and barrel-chested, and females tend to be more squaty, with large hips.

This is similar to gorilla physiology.

...BBC's film also seems to have better detail than PGF.....

Since the BBC's reproduction was film so many years later, and with superior photographic equipment, that should be expected.

...Patty has a lot of "weird" anatomic features, not found in BBC's bigfoot....

Such as?

...I see someone wearing a costume, with a diaper-like butt...

Bears and gorillas have "diaper-like butts". It should be expected with a sasquatch creature.

 

[Huntster]

...."Sasquatches have been seen both with substantial girth as well as looking decidedly skinny."....

I stand corrected.

Apparently, they are reported as skinny.

 

[Huntster]

"Mr. Chambers did say (in regards to the Patterson footage) that he and his crew wished they had done it, because they would have done it differently. I believe his exact words were, jokingly, 'We could've done better.' "

I'd like to know whether it was confirmed that Chambers was joking when he said that.

RayG

Whether or not he was joking, this is for sure:

He states that he didn't create the Patterson suit, and he didn't "do better" on a subsequent attempt to reproduce the film.

 

[RayG]

Whether or not he was joking, this is for sure:

He states that he didn't create the Patterson suit, and he didn't "do better" on a subsequent attempt to reproduce the film.

I don't believe anyone implied otherwise. I was talking about what Chambers SAID, not what he DID. (can't speak for anyone else mind you)

RayG

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Bears and gorillas have "diaper-like butts". It should be expected with a sasquatch creature.

Uhh, no it shouldn't; outside of the minds of those who don't have a problem with the hodge podge costume that Patterson put together...

There is a morphologically sound reason bears and gorillas have "diaper-like butts" .

Any idea what that reason is ?

 

[Huntster]

....There is a morphologically sound reason bears and gorillas have "diaper-like butts" .

Any idea what that reason is ?

Yes, I have an idea what that reason is.

Why don't you enlighten me why this is morphologically sound for bears and gorillas and not a sasquatch.

 

[Huntster]

I don't believe anyone implied otherwise. I was talking about what Chambers SAID, not what he DID. (can't speak for anyone else mind you)

RayG

My point is that all who state that it would be easy to reproduce (and even "mo' betta") haven't done so.

Nobody has.

 

[RayG]

My point is that all who state that it would be easy to reproduce (and even "mo' betta") haven't done so.

Nobody has.

I know Dfoot is trying to reproduce it, but I don't know if he'd call it easy.

RayG

 

[Correa Neto]

My understanding is that most are black, and other colors are also seen.
My understanding is that the males tend to be huge and barrel-chested, and females tend to be more squaty, with large hips.

This is similar to gorilla physiology.

Gorillas X bigfeet... You are missing something here. Diogenes already pointed that.

And have you managed to obtain real a bigfoot specimen so we can compare it with Patty and BBC's bigffot? If not, what are your "understandings" based in?

Since the BBC's reproduction was film so many years later, and with superior photographic equipment, that should be expected.

Are you sure that this is the single reason?
Now, considering the smaller definition of PGF when compared with BBC's, the fact that flaws (check Dfoot's posts to find a list of them) in Patty costume can be seen is a testimony that it was not as sophisticated as claimed. If PGF had a better definition, the hoax would be even more clear.

Patty's weird anatomic details have already been discussed. Scroll the thread and you'll find them.

Bears and gorillas have "diaper-like butts". It should be expected with a sasquatch creature.

Hmmm... No you are bringing bears... Patty's diaper butt has already been discussed, and the bear argument was also used. You are missing a point here -again, the same you missed at the very start of you post. Want a clue? Here it is: 4X2. Patty's butt is an unlikely anatomical feature. It's not hard to figure out why.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Yes, I have an idea what that reason is.

Why don't you enlighten me why this is morphologically sound for bears and gorillas and not a sasquatch.

Let's see.. Huntster says " Yes, I have an idea what that reason is. "


Then says.. " Why don't you enlighten me .. "

I'm confused ..

Anyway, iF you know what the reason is, how does that reason apply to Patty ?

 

[LTC8K6]

Who said Patty's suit would be easy to reproduce?

Clearly there were suits like it long before the P/G film. There is absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever, as has been shown numerous times.

I don't recall any claims about the suit being easy to reproduce, just that suits like that had been around for a while already, countering the claim that the suit couldn't have been made in 1967.

It could certainly have been made in 1967. Easily? That's a matter of opinion and money, I guess.