Bigfoot: SweatyYeti's confusion of reliable evidence vs proof.

[kitakaze]

Yup....questions like these are so difficult to answer, aren't they?...

Sarcasm? How interesting. I guess you mean to imply the questions are very simple. I also guess that if there were some very simple questions for you from others you were having difficulty answering that it would look rather embarrassing and unseemly for you, wouldn't it?

Well I like simple. Let me see if I can take a crack at simple:

Is there any data which indicates that any transitional forms between Bear/Doggie and bipedal Ape/Man-looking creatures have ever existed?

No, not that I know of. And counter:

Is there any paleontological evidence for bipedal non-human primates in North America?

Are there any (of these particular) 'transitional forms' alive today....that we know of?

In line with the previous answer, no. And counter:

Are there any non-human bipedal primate species alive today in North America that we know of? You know, "know" as in we can say with certainty they exist.

Also....if Bigfoot is a real creature....could it possibly be a member of the Squirrel family?

Nope, I don't think so. And counter:

Supposing that you have submitted strong evidence for the existence of Bigfoots and Earth visiting aliens....could Bigfoot possibly have E.T. origins?

Sometimes you need a little finesse, Sweaty. Sometimes you need a lot.

 

[kitakaze]

Sweaty, I think we should have a look at some important UFO/Bigfoot evidence. From a BFF thread on the subject:

The many popular Native American legends of wise visitors from the sky could be the legacy of early California encounters. One of the first UFO-Bigfoot accounts occured in 1888, and comes from the journal of a cattleman who had wintered with a tribe of Native Americans in northern California. During his stay, he saw a member of the tribe carrying a platter of raw meat into the forest. He followed the Indian to a nearby cave. Upon entering, he was amazed to see the Indian feeding the meat to a large, hairy man-like creature. The creature was totally covered with thick hair, except for its palms. Also, the creature had no neck, but was much larger than a man. The Indian tribe called him "Crazy Bear" and explained that he had come to the earth in a "small moon" which carried two other similar creatures. Inside the "small moon" were several other entities who were human-looking, only were very short and they wore shiny, silver clothes. After disgorging the three creatures, the object took off into space. The Indians told the cattleman that similar incidents had happened throughout the years, but only rarely

Whoah!

Let's check the source:

http://home.pacbell.net/prestone/ufos-over-cal-excerpt.htm

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Once again, can you please explain how my answer to your objective question with "I don't think so" is a non-answer and an evasion but your answer to an objective question with "in my opinion" and "I consider" is acceptable?

O.k....here are the 2 questions, and answers...

Drewbot's question to me, and my answer:

Originally Posted by Drewbot
Sweaty,

Please answer this yes or no question.

Is there any reliable evidence supporting the existence of Bigfoot aka Sasquatch, Foot-ape.?

Well, first...in the absence of a concise definition of "reliable evidence" by kitakaze, or anyone else...I'll answer your question in terms of "strong-to-very strong evidence" (which I think is the essence of their definition).

In my opinion... YES, there is very strong evidence (possibly "reliable evidence"?), indicating a very high degree of likelihood, that Bigfoot does exist in North America.

My question to you, and your answer:

SweatyYeti wrote:

Can the subject of the PG Film possibly be a real, live Bear?

For all intents and purposes I don't think so but one could always argue semantic about the use of the word "possibly."

First off....you misrepresented my answer. I answered Drew's question with a direct YES. I stated that my answer was simply 'my opinion'. "My opinion" doesn't mitigate the firmness of a direct "Yes"....it simply means that my answer isn't coming down from 'On High'.


You answered with a not-so-direct "I don't think so". To me, it sounded wishy-washy....like you were taking a soft position regarding the point of the question.

In my question I used the word "possibly", meaning "possible vs. impossible". Those are black-and-white terms. I wasn't asking you about "probability", which is a gray area.

You couldn't even answer with a firm, clear 'Yes' or a 'No' to a question which was only refering to something being within "the realm of possibility"???!

 

[kitakaze]

First off....you misrepresented my answer. I answered Drew's question with a direct YES. I stated that my answer was simply 'my opinion'. "My opinion" doesn't mitigate the firmness of a direct "Yes"....it simply means that my answer isn't coming down from 'On High'.

If that was a misrepresentation of your answer by referring only to the words "in my opinion" and "I consider" then you are equally guilty of misrepresenting my answer by earlier quoting only "I don't think so" and adding confused emoticons without quoting the entire statement.

You answered with a not-so-direct "I don't think so". To me, it sounded wishy-washy....like you were taking a soft position regarding the point of the question.

Yes, to you. It sounded that way to you because that is the way you wanted it to seem. There is no difference between saying "I consider" and "in my opinion" and "I don't think so." All three are statements concerning a person's ideas.

In my question I used the word "possibly", meaning "possible vs. impossible". Those are black-and-white terms. I wasn't asking you about "probability", which is a gray area.

You couldn't even answer with a firm, clear 'Yes' or a 'No' to a question which was only refering to something being within "the realm of possibility"???!

In my answer I directly addressed the use of the word "possibly." Oops for you.

 

[Correa Neto]

All hail cut-and-paste!

...snip...Yup....questions like these are so difficult to answer, aren't they?...

I take from the above it that you are in deep problems answering the questions and countering the points below.

- There are no reliable pieces of evidences presently available which could be used to back the claim "bigfeet are real" and the methodology and reasonings used by footers to support their claims quite often have big flaws and gapping holes.

- The absence of a known chain of custody and the fact that the originals are not available for examinations render PGF (taken by many footers as the pièce de résistance when it comes o bigfoot evidence) an unreliable piece of evidence.

- How you can be certain, absolutely sure, without a specimen or DNA that bigfeet -if real- can only be a primate. Your distortion of arguments has not made the following issues go away:

- How you managed to reach the 100+my figure?

- If Bigfoot is a real creature.... Could it possibly be an alien from outer space? (Maybe someday, if it's ever proven to exist, it'll be shown to be an unearthly creature with the name 'Wookie!')

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Yes....I agree with the first part of his answer... the "No" part.

"No" is technically correct...in that a "total lack of evidence" doesn't prove "non-existence"...but it's not correct in a practical sense, because of something called "probability"...."odds".

As a result....I don't agree with the 2nd part of his answer....his explanation...




A 'total lack of evidence' for a living population of Bigfoot would mean much more than just "there's no evidenciary support for the premise"....it would mean that the probability of their existence would be right next to zero.

The odds of a population of Bigfoot living in N.A., without ever leaving a footprint behind, and without ever being seen, heard, or filmed, would be approximately 1 in billions...against. Effectively zero.

You got it bad dont you?

 

[SweatyYeti]

There is no difference between saying "I consider" and "in my opinion" and "I don't think so." All three are statements concerning a person's ideas.

There is a HUGE difference between those two phrases.

To demonstrate.....Here are the two answers with those phrases removed, and replaced with dashed lines:


SweatyYeti wrote:

---------- YES, there is very strong evidence (possibly "reliable evidence"?), indicating a very high degree of likelihood, that Bigfoot does exist in North America.

kitakaze wrote:

For all intents and purposes --------- but one could always argue semantic about the use of the word "possibly."

Notice how the substance, and meaning of my answer is still completely there, while your answer is now missing it's main substance. Your statement doesn't make any sense with that phrase removed.


Again...kitty had just stated:

There is no difference between saying "I consider" and "in my opinion"....and "I don't think so."

The difference couldn't be more obvious...the phrase "in my opinion" only affects, or relates to, the 'attitude' of my answer....while "I don't think so" is the 'main substance' of kitty's answer.

Huge difference.

 

[kitakaze]

There is a HUGE difference between those two phrases.

To demonstrate.....Here are the two answers with those phrases removed, and replaced with dashed lines:

Sorry, Sweaty. Doesn't work that way. I know with the years of partial quoting experience that it's hard to break the habit but the whole statement is what's relevant. I know you think you can excise certain portions of a person's statement to reflect what you would like to imply the person is saying to further your futile arguments but we all see it for how petty it is.

You answered an objective question in the affirmative and qualified it as according to you, making it clear that other people can see it differently. I answered an objective question in the negative and made it clear that if one chose to knitpick about what's possible that they could see it differently. The result being that each of our individual positions is clear regarding the questions asked us. You attempted to make it appear otherwise in my case but you failed. That is typical of how you conduct yourself here. You try your best to sling mud at people and only achieve dirtying yourself.

 

[kitakaze]

OMG, I could be on the verge of a new understanding. Sweaty may be on to something and not even realize how big it really is. There's a secret and all I had to do was accept Sweaty's evidence and learn to think outside the box as Sweaty does. He has shown us the evidence of the Bigfoots. He has shown us the evidence of the spaceships coming to Earth. He has shown us the evidence of the civilization on Mars. Inexplicably he scoffs at the real implications but I have seen it. Why won't you open your eyes, man? Sweaty says he is certain that Bigfoot is a primate if it exists but now I know better.

Bigfoot is no mere primate. Tianca was on to something. Think about it, all these variations in descriptions of Bigfoot. The myriad of shapes, sizes, colours, characteristics, abilities... Bigfoot is not just some sneaky forest ape. Bigfoot is a genetic experiment by aliens from beyond. As Sweaty tells us, Bigfoot is a global phenomenom, but I think he cut himself short there. Try interplanetary spacial phenomenom, dude! Those guys are up to something and it is big, brother. You see, Bigfoot has been a real headbanger for most of us but now I get it. The five toes, the four toes, the six and the three. The talking, the walking, the mind talking space walking. The 4x4 mode, the bean stealing, lady stealing... WTF!? Reclusive ape my butt! The aliens are tinkering with the genes and they're cooking up weird, man!

There is obviously some sort of grand scheme going on here. What they are making these beings for I don't know but it's big. They're obviously messing around with various traits and abilities seeking that perfect mix. Don't even try thinking we can confine this to just the Bigfoot phenomenom. The Bigfoots, the yetis, the yowies, the marung whatevers. Mothmen, Dogmen, Beast of Bray Road, reptoids, flying humanoids, and chupacabra too. They're all part of it. These aliens are creating them and giving them the means to evade identification but that's not stopping us from seeing them. Oh no, there is Joyce upon Joyce upon Joyce out there. You think you can keep that down? Don't forget the abductions, the implants, and the animal mutilations. The evidence is there and it spells trouble, folks.

By using Sweaty's very own wisdom I have found the greater possibilities. A world where Bigfoots and all sorts of weirdness roam and aliens are overhead. Connect the dots, people. The truth is out there! Think outside the box!

 

[GT/CS]

Oh no, we've lost kit!!!!!!!!!

 

[tyr_13]

We should ask monkey-bigfoot to find him for us. Don't ask bear-bigfoot though. He's just silly.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitty's terrible trouble

kitakaze wrote:

You answered an objective question in the affirmative and qualified it as according to you , making it clear that other people can see it differently.

And wrote...

Drew asked you an objective question and DIDN'T use a qualifier such as "in your opinion".


I answered a question of yours with an answer containing "I don't think so."

How is my answer to an objective question of yours a non-answer and an evasion as you say.... but an answer of yours to an objective question with "in my opinion" and "I consider" is just fine?

Please explain this if you can.

Once again, can you please explain how my answer to your objective question with "I don't think so" is a non-answer and an evasion but your answer to an objective question with "in my opinion" and "I consider" is acceptable?

Poor, troubled kitty.

Drew asks of me a question.....a plain old, ordinary, regular kind of question....looking for my opinion....and I answer it, and include (at no extra charge ) the phrase "In my opinion", and poor ol' kitty gets all worked-up over it.

I feel really bad for kitty........there's so much evidence out there to discuss, and debate, and he has to wade through such terrible things...like people saying "In My Opinion" , and thiiiiis, and thaaaaaat, before he can get to the important matters at hand.


It's a cruel world, kitty.


(Hey kitty...in my opinion, there's a reasonable chance that Bigfoot exists, somewhere.)

And in a darkened room...somewhere on Planet Earth...kitty mutters to himself..."Dang it, there he goes again!!!" )

 

[tyr_13]

kitakaze wrote:


And in a darkened room...somewhere on Planet Earth...kitty mutters to himself..."Dang it, there he goes again!!!" )

I can't speak for Kitty, but I was actually thinking more along the lines of 'trite' and 'predictable'.

 

[kitakaze]

Poor, troubled kitty.

Drew asks of me a question.....a plain old, ordinary, regular kind of question....looking for my opinion....and I answer it, and include (at no extra charge ) the phrase "In my opinion", and poor ol' kitty gets all worked-up over it.

I promise you if I ever get upset with you then you are more than welcome to tell me I'm getting all worked up. As for now, I'm simply pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of you accusing me of giving a non-answer and evasion for answering an objective question and making it clear that it is my individual opinion when you answered another objective question in similar fashion. I think we can all see it and however you try to spin your double standards now it only amuses me. But getting back to the evidence:

I feel really bad for kitty........there's so much evidence out there to discuss, and debate, and he has to wade through such terrible things...like people saying "In My Opinion" , and thiiiiis, and thaaaaaat, before he can get to the important matters at hand.

Yes, so much. Very nice. We're looking for the reliable kind. You put forward Joyce and the PGF and have failed to justify the qualification.

PGF: Where's the original?

Nuh-uh? Uh-oh.

Joyce: You haven't even talked to the second apparent Bigfoot witness (Joyce's daughter) about what she did or didn't see? That's reliable evidence?

Ohhh dear.

It's a cruel world, kitty.

(Hey kitty...in my opinion, there's a reasonable chance that Bigfoot exists, somewhere.)

Yeah, see the thing is most people here aren't terribly impressed with the opinion of those who are consistently blase about being properly informed.

 

[CriticalThinking]

A bigfoot is only possible if they have the ability to make themselves dissapear into thin air...and not come back...forever. LMAO

 

[kitakaze]

Oh no, we've lost kit!!!!!!!!!

Lost? Like so many mysteries, so few answers, Nikki and Paulo make me sick, I'd rather watch a 24: Season 5 DVD on repeat Lost?

Oh no, sir. I just may have been found. Found by the truth, even!

Did you perchance happen to see all those funny foot southern Bigfoot links I posted? Ever seen the bizarre Malaysian Bigfoot prints? Chupacabra also from the south.

Have you ever noticed common descriptions of Grey aliens mentioning other than five digits? Hello:

Aka: Grays, EBE, Little Green Men

Description

The most widely reported type of alien is a small grey being approximately 1.0m-1.25m in height, with large oval black eyes and skin colors ranging from gray-white to grey-brown to gray-green to grey-blue.

Erect standing biped, small thin build, large and rounded rear skull area, head larger than humans with inverted triangular shape, absence of auditory lobes and nose, absence of body hair, large oval tear-shaped eyes which are opaque black with vertical slit pupils, arms resembling praying mantis which reach to the knees, long hands with small palm, claw-like fingers (two, three or four fingers), tough gray skin which is reptilian in texture, small feet with four small claw-like toes, no genitalia visible

http://aliens.monstrous.com/greys.htm

Notice all the four-toed prints from Florida? What's in Florida other than Backgammon, viagra, and mosquitoes? Try Cape Canaveral Airforce Station and the Kennedy Space Center. Coinicidence?....I think not! Also did you know of all the Bigfoot incursions into military facilities? Here's a can of beans for you simps:

Sasquatch
and the Edward’s Air Force Base Surveillance.

Now shall we discuss a little place called Mt. Shasta?:

http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0006.htm

He had seen the Greys and had seen them training Bigfoot. He knew there was a program of genetic manipulation whereby the Greys were accelerating the evolution of bigfoot.

And don't try talking to me about mescaline.

But wait! Could the reptoid/Bigfoot connection be deeper than we know?:

Most people believe Bigfoot is some sort of a missing link in the human evolutionary chain. Other’s believe that they were bred by aliens to roam the Everglades and Pacific Northwest. But of course, in reality, reptoids are responsible for most of the Bigfoot primate sitings. These include your Skunk Apes, Yehti, Big Foot and Windingos, not to be confused with the Marvel comic book character — whom everyone knows is not a threat since he is no match for mutant-extraordinaire Wolverine and his adamantium claws. For the most part, the reptoids genetically engineered bigfoots to protect the remote wilderness hatchery entrances from loggers and fisherman.

http://www.planetreptoid.com/?p=14



I think it's hilarious that Sweaty scoffs at the alien/Bigfoot hypothesis. Let's check his evidence:

SweatyYeti's STS-48 Shuttle Mission UFO thread.

SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread.

C'mon, Sweaty. Break some knowledge on us. Tell us why you can be certain Bigfoot is simply an unclassified primate and that the alien/Bigfoot hypothesis is completely, ridiculously, laughably silly.

 

[GT/CS]

Lost? Like so many mysteries, so few answers, Nikki and Paulo make me sick, I'd rather watch a 24: Season 5 DVD on repeat Lost?

Oh no, sir. I just may have been found. Found by the truth, even!

Did you perchance happen to see all those funny foot southern Bigfoot links I posted? Ever seen the bizarre Malaysian Bigfoot prints? Chupacabra also from the south.

Have you ever noticed common descriptions of Grey aliens mentioning other than five digits? Hello:



http://aliens.monstrous.com/greys.htm

Notice all the four-toed prints from Florida? What's in Florida other than Backgammon, viagra, and mosquitoes? Try Cape Canaveral Airforce Station and the Kennedy Space Center. Coinicidence?....I think not! Also did you know of all the Bigfoot incursions into military facilities? Here's a can of beans for you simps:

Sasquatch
and the Edward’s Air Force Base Surveillance.

Now shall we discuss a little place called Mt. Shasta?:

http://www.xenophilia.com/zb0006.htm



And don't try talking to me about mescaline.

But wait! Could the reptoid/Bigfoot connection be deeper than we know?:



http://www.planetreptoid.com/?p=14



I think it's hilarious that Sweaty scoffs at the alien/Bigfoot hypothesis. Let's check his evidence:

SweatyYeti's STS-48 Shuttle Mission UFO thread.

SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread.

C'mon, Sweaty. Break some knowledge on us. Tell us why you can be certain Bigfoot is simply an unclassified primate and that the alien/Bigfoot hypothesis is completely, ridiculously, laughably silly.

I hate to admit it but you may be correct with your theory since that much evidence can't be disputed. That explains why the government took all the bodies after Mt. St Helens blew; it's all part of their UFOs-don't-exist conspiracy!

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

I'm simply pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of you accusing me of giving a non-answer and evasion for answering an objective question and making it clear that it is my individual opinion when you answered another objective question in similar fashion. I

Can you point out an incorrect statement in my earlier post:

kitakaze wrote:
There is no difference between saying "I consider" and "in my opinion"....and "I don't think so."
All three are statements concerning a person's ideas.

There is a HUGE difference between those two phrases.

To demonstrate.....Here are the two answers with those phrases removed, and replaced with dashed lines:


SweatyYeti wrote:

---------- YES, there is very strong evidence (possibly "reliable evidence"?), indicating a very high degree of likelihood, that Bigfoot does exist in North America.

kitakaze wrote:

For all intents and purposes --------- but one could always argue semantic about the use of the word "possibly."

Notice how the substance, and meaning of my answer is still completely there, while your answer is now missing it's main substance. Your statement doesn't make any sense with that phrase removed.


Again...kitty had just stated:

There is no difference between saying "I consider" and "in my opinion"....and "I don't think so."

The difference couldn't be more obvious...the phrase "in my opinion" only affects, or relates to, the 'attitude' of my answer....while "I don't think so" is the 'main substance' of kitty's answer.

Huge difference.

In your response to that post of mine, you said this:

Sorry, Sweaty. Doesn't work that way.

But you failed to explain specifically where, and what, the error was in my post.

The only thing you said, concerning a possible error was this:

the whole statement is what's relevant.

But the point of my post was:

There is a HUGE difference between those two phrases.

To demonstrate.....Here are the two answers with those phrases removed,and replaced with dashed lines:

You said:

There is NO difference.
All three (phrases) are statements concerning a person's ideas.

In principle......can there be differences between the 'meanings, and purposes' of different phrases...which simply "concern a person's ideas"?

I know for a fact that there are.

 

[RayG]

Hey Sweaty, how's it going with that body? Got one?

RayG

 

[SweatyYeti]

No.