bigfoot is real I have the proof

[AudioFreak]

Someone proclaimed as an expert by people who are not professionals and held as experts by other professionals, are NOT REAL EXPERTS. While Darkwing may be well qualified at picking out phony bigfeet, we're talking about imaging experts. Unless Darkwing has a degree in photography or media arts or some kind of professional history with image editing/enhancement/analysis, even his opinion (which based on his posts I'd consider him to be a fair and level individual despite his belief in bigfoot) wouldn't carry any weight.

 

[LTC8K6]

PC . the photo has been sent to Dark of the mabrc with no agreement being made except it is not to be posted to the public only in there members section and so that it cant be copied .

If it is posted, it can be copied.

Darkwing probably gets a pass because he is a believer.

 

[Normal Dude]

That you aren't normal, or that you think about bigfoot dingleberries?

Actually, I didn't come up with the dingleberries. Someone on the first few pages did. I was just repeating it.

 

[AudioFreak]

As for our photo experts, we don't need them. None of us ever claimed to be experts. The photo expert claim comes from you. Here at the JREF it seems to be a consensus that no experts are needed to show that your photo is false.

PetersCreek has stated himself to be a professional in photography and is arguably an expert. He's made some generous and fair offers to Creekfreak which it appears are being ignored though. So JREF is, in fact, providing an expert which the hoaxter is declining.

 

[LTC8K6]

Note that this is all creekfreak's doing.

This shady deal has nothing to do with darkwing or the MABRC and I hold neither even slightly responsible for this charlatan's behavior. What we have is a con-man pure and simple who has attempted to use both boards for his own crooked purposes, imo.

If I were darkwing, I'd tell him where he can stick his bigfoot photo, but darkwing probably has more class than I do.

 

[LTC8K6]

PetersCreek has stated himself to be a professional in photography and is arguably an expert.

That's why he can't see the photo...

 

[AudioFreak]

If I were darkwing, I'd tell him where he can stick his bigfoot photo, but darkwing probably has more class than I do.

And fewer dingleberries.

 

[Apology]

PetersCreek has stated himself to be a professional in photography and is arguably an expert. He's made some generous and fair offers to Creekfreak which it appears are being ignored though. So JREF is, in fact, providing an expert which the hoaxter is declining.

Whoops, my bad That's what I get for not reviewing the thread. I forgot all about PetersCreek's offer. I accept PetersCreek as the resident JREF photo expert.

 

[Locknar]

Darkwing is not an expert on photography.

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As for our photo experts, we don't need them. None of us ever claimed to be experts. The photo expert claim comes from you. Here at the JREF it seems to be a consensus that no experts are needed to show that your photo is false.

Actually I have no issue with Creek naming DK. In the end, as long as any analysis is done in the open (that is to say peer review) I'm fine with that.

That said, unless Creek can answer the other questions (chain of custory, location, date, time, witness info, editor info, etc.) his "original" is tainted at best and otherwise inconclusive.

As to experts, I suspect there are many here...Petercreek and/or myself to name two.

ETA: Normal Dude to name 3. As Normal Dude suggests...I suspect this forum, let alone this thread, has plenty-o-experts.

 

[Apology]

Note that this is all creekfreak's doing.

This shady deal has nothing to do with darkwing or the MABRC and I hold neither even slightly responsible for this charlatan's behavior. What we have is a con-man pure and simple who has attempted to use both boards for his own crooked purposes, imo.

If I were darkwing, I'd tell him where he can stick his bigfoot photo, but darkwing probably has more class than I do.

I agree with this as well; I never got the impression that Darkwing endorsed Creek Freak's photo. As a matter of fact, I got quite the opposite impression.

 

[Locknar]

I agree with this as well; I never got the impression that Darkwing endorsed Creek Freak's photo. As a matter of fact, I got quite the opposite impression.

Agreed; DK has been exceedingly netural....simply providing info/facts.

 

[Normal Dude]

BTW Creekfreak, there are more photo and graphic-proficient people on this forum than you might realize.

I for one do use photoshop and work with photos quite a bit, sometimes paid artwork. I've only been holding off analysis of the photo since it is compressed and JPEG. Not like it matters. Your actions and attitude here are evidence enough.

 

[Locknar]

PC . the photo has been sent to Dark of the mabrc with no agreement being made except it is not to be posted to the public only in there members section and so that it cant be copied . As far as sending it to you that will take a while to happen I will need much more imformation then just an agreement you have sent over the internet . I dont know you there for just an agreement is not going to get it .

This is double-talk Creek, and not what you agreed to. Why the change of heart?

 

[LTC8K6]

My description of the photo:

The photo shows a Florida DOF Kiowa hovering an unknown height above a body of water in the distance in order to fill it's bucket. The body of water is not visible due to vegetation.

There is a line of scrub trees in the photo as well. They are considerably closer than the Kiowa and behind an expanse of tall grass. They are on the bank of the body of water. They exhibit no effects of rotor wash from the Kiowa, which is too far away.

To the right in the photo, apparently among the line of scrub trees, there appear to be two caricatures of bigfoot. They are not in front of the helicopter, nor are they close to it. They appear to have been added after the photo was taken, or are possibly paredolia.

The caricatures, if real objects, are not anywhere near the line of sight of the helicopter pilots because the helicopter is well beyond them.

The perspective of the photo has been flattened due to the 8X magnification of the camera used. This causes the helicopter to appear closer to the foreground than it actually is, making it seem like the helicopter and the objects are in line with each other.

 

[PetersCreek]

As far as sending it to you that will take a while to happen I will need much more imformation then just an agreement you have sent over the internet . I dont know you there for just an agreement is not going to get it .

So a legally binding license agreement isn't good enough for you? Then you'll never sell that photo because that is essentially the instrument you will have to provide with the sale. Such agreements provide legal protection to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of images. Yours would be no exception.

Man, I really, really tried to set my initial impressions aside in the interest of fairly evaluating your photo and I would have suceeded but for the chicanery. You are the one who demanded, "where are your experts"? I described and offered my expertise and now you're snubbing it. Making such a demand while simultaneously creating conditions that make it impossible to meet smacks of intellectual dishonesty or worse.

Apparently, I wasted my time bending over backwards in attempt to reassure you of your copyright. Based on your behavior and comments, that is apparently nothing more than an excuse to withhold the image to your fraudulent advantage.

Skullduggery noted.

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I would've thought it was more of a shenanigan than skulduggery, but it sure smells.

 

[AudioFreak]

Creekfreak, what are you doing here?

You've been given ample attempts to either come clean about being a fake or to display your evidence in a fair manner and you have turned your nose up at anything but "your way" responding with nothing but foolishness and empty lies.

I'm embarrassed for Darkwing for being associated with you as he at least seems to be legitimate and level-headed. Just watch and see; I'm predicting he'll diplomatically make a judgement of "undetermined" since he considers you a friend but suspect he doesn't in any way feel you are providing untampered evidence.

Either accept what people are trying to offer you (PetersCreek) or abondon the thread. It's sad to see, but you're an embarrassment to the Bigfoot community.

 

[Creekfreak]

PC . Send me your agreement and I will have a lawyer look at it if it is agreeable to me you will have to provide a lawyer also to make this a legal binding agreement . Fair enough ?

 

[Locknar]

PC . Send me your agreement and I will have a lawyer look at it if it is agreeable to me you will have to provide a lawyer also to make this a legal binding agreement . Fair enough ?

Why would PetersCreek have to provide a lawyer?

 

[DrewD]

PC signing the agreement would make it legally binding. He would not need a lawyer to enter into a contract such as this. This seems like another attempt to dance around and not provide the pic.