bigfoot is real I have the proof

[Normal Dude]

Why is this thread still going on?

'Cus he keeps trying to sell the darn thing. And as long he attempts to do that he'll have to deal with me and the others.

Who would even think about bigfoot dingleberries? That's not normal.

This is an accusation I hear very often.

 

[kitakaze]

Kitakaze, that may be a little harsh. By looking at Creek's writing I think we need to consider his limitations, unless the writing is a ruse.

Creek, one more little suggestion. Please, please, please change "untell" to "until". Thank you.

GT/CS, I've considered before what you're saying and can definitely see how it may seem I'm banging spoon on pot or being unduly critical but I've simply seen far too much of freak's writings on his activities to not recognize when he's fabricating things. This is the guy who claims to have invented the weedeater and named bungie jumping among many other ridiculous things. That is something I won't even bother with now but IMHO freak can not reconcile the following statements as not being evidence of fabrication:

No Dark has never said this is a hoax as someone has pointed out he has just stated that he has not been able to make a statement one way or another becouse he has not been able to see the original . (snip)...Untell then no one can say that this is a hoax or a scam .

These pitures have been analized by the leading photo experts in the country and have been proven to be legit .

 

[B.S]

It would be nice if this picture could be proved to be a fake, and then all this could be over. But even if the original picture is completely real, and untouched, it still can't prove that the Bigfoot in the picture is real. You can't prove the reality of something like this with a photograph. No Bigfoot, no ghost, no UFO can ever be proven to be real with just a photograph. This could be someone in a suit, or a stuffed dummy, or something else of that nature. Sure, the picture might be real, but there is absolutely no way to know if the Bigfoot in it is real. No possible way.

 

[GT/CS]

GT/CS, I've considered before what you're saying and can definitely see how it may seem I'm banging spoon on pot or being unduly critical but I've simply seen far too much of freak's writings on his activities to not recognize when he's fabricating things. This is the guy who claims to have invented the weedeater and named bungie jumping among many other ridiculous things. That is something I won't even bother with now but IMHO freak can not reconcile the following statements as not being evidence of fabrication:

He certainly is an interesting sort.

 

[kitakaze]

A picture which you will only show unedited to two people, one of whom you won't name.

Why is this thread still going on?

Very good question:

'Cus he keeps trying to sell the darn thing. And as long he attempts to do that he'll have to deal with me and the others.

Yahtzee!

That's an issue that's core to things we often discuss at the JREF, whether it's this guy, Sylvia, Edward, or whoever.

 

[Creekfreak]

the photos have been sent to dark he should have them by now . As for the bungie jumping I still have the bungie I used would you like to have it carbon dated ? It really doesent matter what you guys think no matter what I do or how many hoops I jump through you will still say it is fake . As for dark being an expert in this field he has most likely seen more bigfoot photos then any one on this earth so I would say that makes him an expert . The people that matter the most have the photos in hand it is the respect of my peers that is more importent then what you people think . where are your experts ? I am waiting You say you want to get to the bottom of this produce your own experts . If you dont produce your own experts then you are saying I am right and you are worng .All Ive seen so far on here is a bunch of speculation and no proveing .

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I will say it is real if you show it to us and it is real. I cannot prove that the thing you won't show us is real or not. Don't blame me for not believing something you won't even show.

 

[Normal Dude]

As for the bungie jumping I still have the bungie I used would you like to have it carbon dated ?

Thanks, that is great sig material. I hope it was a joke.

It really doesent matter what you guys think no matter what I do or how many hoops I jump through you will still say it is fake .

Hoops? You haven't done anything except make excuses. Sorry, I don't consider supplying an original file to be jumping through hoops.

As for dark being an expert in this field he has most likely seen more bigfoot photos then any one on this earth so I would say that makes him an expert .

With all due respect to dark, that doesn't make a "leading photo expert" in the country. You lied, and somehow I don't think he would appreciate you giving him credentials that he may not have.

The people that matter the most have the photos in hand it is the respect of my peers that is more importent then what you people think . where are your experts ? I am waiting You say you want to get to the bottom of this produce your own experts . If you dont produce your own experts then you are saying I am right and you are worng .All Ive seen so far on here is a bunch of speculation and no proveing .

OK, once again, if you were a real researcher you would understand this: WE DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING. WE ARE NOT MAKING THE CLAIM.

 

[PetersCreek]

Creekfreak...did you miss my last post?

 

[Apology]

Yes, that's true. I don't for a second believe any of freak's fabrications but I will caution him as many others have in the past to be careful with his Woods and Wildmen play.Apology, in my humble opinion I strongly disagree. We can not allow him this out that he would surely take unprotested. There is no way he can validate or justify his fabrication as anything other than such. Under no interpretation can he be allowed to qualify the darkwing's bigfoot club as 'the leading photo experts in the country' but far more importantly he is flagrantly compounding his lie by adding the 'analised and proven to be legit' part. By darkwing's statement and his own admission it's an established fact that he has never provided the necessary information to allow proper analysis of his claimed bigfoot photo. He knew he was lying when writing his ridiculous extortion attempt to the Florida F&W Dept. These are the events we are told led to him being shown the door at his bigfoot club.

Well that does look kind of bad for Creek. I still held out hope that he was tricked instead of lying but now I don't know If he said his "photo experts" were the MABRC then I'd be willing to say that he was mistaken about having "experts" analyze it, but I had forgotten about what Darkwing said about the MABRC's analysis of the photo. I'm interested to see how Creek addresses the question.

 

[Creekfreak]

I understand where you are comeing from and I wish it could be different . but as lock has said many times over there is a procedure you must go through and that procedure has been started . I havent been given a better one so far from any of you I am still waiting where are your experts . Mine is Dark of the mabrc who are yours ?

 

[GT/CS]

Well that does look kind of bad for Creek. I still held out hope that he was tricked instead of lying but now I don't know If he said his "photo experts" were the MABRC then I'd be willing to say that he was mistaken about having "experts" analyze it, but I had forgotten about what Darkwing said about the MABRC's analysis of the photo. I'm interested to see how Creek addresses the question.

Here is Darkwing's description.

Since I was pulled into this thread early on, along with the MABRC, I am going to set the record straight about the events here.

I consider Creek a friend, and although he gets side-tracked sometimes, he's a pretty good person at heart. He just got caught up in circumstances that were beyond him here with this photo.

When he sent the picture to me to evaluate, at first glance, it was a really fantastic looking picture, but then it was time to get to work on it.

I get quite a few pictures every week from folks that see Bigfoot in the pics, most are blobsquatches, but a few turn out to be the better ones that you have to look at thoroughly to authenticate or not.

Creek's picture shows a white Huey hovering at an estimated 5 feet off the ground, with the word FIRE in green on the side of the chopper. About 35 feet in front of it, at about eye level to the pilots, appears to be a large Bigfoot staring back at them.

I gathered together a commitee from the MABRC Researchers to go through the picture with a fine tooth comb, and it was found out that a woman Creek knew enhanced it, so we asked for her contact info so we could find out what type of enhancements she did.

We also asked for the chain of custody, camera-type, other witnesses, a copy of the unenhanced photo, a comparison picture of the area and a rundown of the events leading up to this.

We were given the camera-type and a rundown of the events, but nothing else.

Despite what some have posted here, the MABRC does not believe everything tossed our way about Bigfoot, we do research all evidence brought to us.

I won't go into all the issues with the picture that was suspect, but if Creek ever would have sent me a copy of the unenhanced picture, that might have changed a lot of opinions on it. When he would not slow down on trying to sell it, (which he had his reasons) he resigned from the MABRC (he wasn't banned) as this put him directly in conflict with our policy of sharing research information freely.

Some of the things we did to research it, was to go through Google and Yahoo Image searchs for all kinds of fire fighting helicopters, and even just helicopters in general to see if we could match up the picture to one from the Internet, we researched all fires in his general area where fire fighting helicopters might have been used. A researcher who used to be a Forest Service Fire Fighter even called different agencies to see whose helicopter that might have been, since we didn't have the tail numbers, she had to go by the color scheme.

A professional photoshop artist came in and went through the photo with a fine-tooth comb looking for enhancing artifacts and differences in the textures and colors of the creature compared to the background around it.

Can I say for sure if it's real or if it's fake, I can't say neither until I get the unenhanced copy to compare it too, then I would say which it is.

 

[Apology]

I understand where you are comeing from and I wish it could be different . but as lock has said many times over there is a procedure you must go through and that procedure has been started . I havent been given a better one so far from any of you I am still waiting where are your experts . Mine is Dark of the mabrc who are yours ?

Darkwing is not an expert on photography. Darkwing is presumably an expert on Bigfoot. Even though I don't think anyone can really be an expert on Bigfoot because he isn't real, I will presume that Darkwing is a Bigfoot expert just for argument's sake.

Darkwing has not said that your photo is geniune or that it depicts an actual Bigfoot. This means that your claims that photo experts have analyzed the photo and deemed it is genuine are untrue no matter how you slice it. That's why people are debating whether you are mistaken or whether you just lied about it.

As for our photo experts, we don't need them. None of us ever claimed to be experts. The photo expert claim comes from you. Here at the JREF it seems to be a consensus that no experts are needed to show that your photo is false.

 

[LTC8K6]

Creek's picture shows a white Huey hovering at an estimated 5 feet off the ground, with the word FIRE in green on the side of the chopper. About 35 feet in front of it, at about eye level to the pilots, appears to be a large Bigfoot staring back at them.

Must be a different picture...

 

[Locknar]

I understand where you are comeing from and I wish it could be different . but as lock has said many times over there is a procedure you must go through and that procedure has been started . I havent been given a better one so far from any of you I am still waiting where are your experts . Mine is Dark of the mabrc who are yours ?

And what process would that be?

Assuming you've provided DK your original pic, have you also addressed the other issues such as chain of custody, POC information for the original editor, POC information for the witness, location of where the pic was taken, time of day, confirmed date, etc.?

Otherwise, even with the "original", any analysis is really being done in a vacuum without all the facts; this would NOT strengthen your claim.

 

[sthomson]

I understand where you are comeing from and I wish it could be different . but as lock has said many times over there is a procedure you must go through and that procedure has been started . I havent been given a better one so far from any of you I am still waiting where are your experts . Mine is Dark of the mabrc who are yours ?

PeterCreek has already given you his references and asked for a copy of the original, unretouched, unenhanced, uncompressed photo. Have you provided this to him? Are you keeping up with this thread? This isn't a duel between MABRC and JREF, and I think you've been somewhat cruel to darkwing, despite the support he's given you.

 

[Creekfreak]

PC . the photo has been sent to Dark of the mabrc with no agreement being made except it is not to be posted to the public only in there members section and so that it cant be copied . As far as sending it to you that will take a while to happen I will need much more imformation then just an agreement you have sent over the internet . I dont know you there for just an agreement is not going to get it .

 

[LTC8K6]

So it's clear now? Darkwing is the photo expert you have been talking about?

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

This is an accusation I hear very often.

That you aren't normal, or that you think about bigfoot dingleberries?

 

[Normal Dude]

PC . the photo has been sent to Dark of the mabrc with no agreement being made except it is not to be posted to the public only in there members section and so that it cant be copied . As far as sending it to you that will take a while to happen I will need much more imformation then just an agreement you have sent over the internet . I dont know you there for just an agreement is not going to get it .

Stalling yet again, as I suspected you would. You are finished here Creekfreak. Peddle your wares elsewhere.