Merged Bigfoot follies

[dmaker]

So, taking count now, we have:

Sasquatches
Wolves
Mountain Lions
Melanistic Jaguars
Possibly Melanistic Mountain Lions

...all roaming the wood lots of Kentucky. This is getting to the level of the giant, tail-hopping dragonfly thread. Are we missing any or are there other alpha predators we need to add? Surely there are a few Nile Crocs in the Ohio, right? Probably albino ones.

The crocs are in the sewers, and the bull sharks are in Lake Erie...

 

[The Shrike]

Parcher made the same announcement here without physically examining the evidence. Steve made the announcement to Fox News after a hands on investigation of the evidence.

So the first guy to correctly identify the source material of the hoax and to have done that using no information other than the photos Dyer released is less impressive to you than the guy who - after the hoax announcement - came to a similar conclusion but only after physically touching the rubber foot itself?

I'm struggling for an analogy here because the logic is so convoluted but here goes . . .

Guy #1 - invents light bulb.
Guy #2 - flips switch to turn on light.

Chris logic - Guy #2 more impressive 'cause he went to Lowe's to buy a pack of light bulbs.



So was Kulls compensated for his appearance on Fox (other than the obvious attention of being on TV)? Did Dyer get a cut from the sale of his book?

 

[The Shrike]

I guess we differ in opinion on the definition of a cryptid.

No. You don't get to define things according to your whims. There is a definition; I provided it (twice). Words mean stuff.

If you would like to parse the term further to capture the different types of cryptids, George Eberhart has already done that for you in the link I provided (twice). Eberhart would consider black panthers to be distribution anomalies, #1 of the 10 different types of cryptids in his classification.

 

[Correa Neto]

The crocs are in the sewers, and the bull sharks are in Lake Erie...

And bullshi... is everywhere, permeating every single corner of bigfootery... Cryptozooly as whole...

 

[leisureclass]

You claimed on here that you knew enough to be able to spot a hoax from the "real thing," you even claimed that you knew all about the feet of Bigfoot and how they work, all because you "saw" one once. But now you're saying that you wouldn't know for certain if Bigfoot was able to change colour or not. You DO claim to know the unknowable.

He also claimed to be a researcher at the Alamogordo primate facility. Let's not forget that.

Forget hair color. How come bigfeet never go bald? I'd like to know their secret.

 

[William Parcher]

So, taking count now, we have:

Sasquatches
Wolves
Mountain Lions
Melanistic Jaguars
Possibly Melanistic Mountain Lions

...all roaming the wood lots of Kentucky. This is getting to the level of the giant, tail-hopping dragonfly thread. Are we missing any or are there other alpha predators we need to add? Surely there are a few Nile Crocs in the Ohio, right? Probably albino ones.

The South Shall Rise Again and with a whole new fauna.

 

[Correa Neto]

Dogman. Don't forget dogman. Oh, giant water snakes, thunderbirds and even a bearilla...

 

[comncents]

WP,

Don't put this on the south, KY was officially "Union".

 

[CORed]

So, taking count now, we have:

Sasquatches
Wolves
Mountain Lions
Melanistic Jaguars
Possibly Melanistic Mountain Lions

...all roaming the wood lots of Kentucky. This is getting to the level of the giant, tail-hopping dragonfly thread. Are we missing any or are there other alpha predators we need to add? Surely there are a few Nile Crocs in the Ohio, right? Probably albino ones.

Well, we're not really sure whether they're Nile Crocs or Saltwater Crocs, but my cousin lives near the Ohio and her dog disappeared, so I know they're there.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

No. You don't get to define things according to your whims. There is a definition; I provided it (twice). Words mean stuff.

If you would like to parse the term further to capture the different types of cryptids, George Eberhart has already done that for you in the link I provided (twice). Eberhart would consider black panthers to be distribution anomalies, #1 of the 10 different types of cryptids in his classification.

Cryptid:
In cryptozoology and sometimes in cryptobotany, a cryptid (from the Greek κρύπτω, krypto, meaning "hide") is a creature or plant whose existence has been suggested but has not been discovered or documented by the scientific community.

This link discusses melanistic jaguars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_panther

So, how have melanistic jaguars not been discovered or documented by the scientific community when I can see pics and read articles about them?

Is a field trip to the zoo really required? Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

So the first guy to correctly identify the source material of the hoax and to have done that using no information other than the photos Dyer released is less impressive to you than the guy who - after the hoax announcement - came to a similar conclusion but only after physically touching the rubber foot itself?

I'm struggling for an analogy here because the logic is so convoluted but here goes . . .

Guy #1 - invents light bulb.
Guy #2 - flips switch to turn on light.

Chris logic - Guy #2 more impressive 'cause he went to Lowe's to buy a pack of light bulbs.



So was Kulls compensated for his appearance on Fox (other than the obvious attention of being on TV)? Did Dyer get a cut from the sale of his book?

Parcher did some good ground work based on the info he found. I will never belittle his contribution because I agree with and admire his zeal for busting Bigfoot hoaxes. I'm certain he had a good feeling about his findings but an actual physical examination would be required to confirm this "feeling".

Kulls took it a step further and verified Parcher's findings by physical examination of the evidence. See how that works? One was a good theory, the other was confirmation of the theory by physical examination of the evidence. I have no doubt Parcher would have done the same had he been part of the team in Indiana. (So no shot at Parcher is implied whatsoever)

I think your logic is flawed in this case. By applying your logic, if one views a convincing pic of a Bigfoot, then Bigfoot must exist. As you know, it doesn't work that way.

Regarding Steve's compensation, you'll find Steve lost financially over the GA freezer hoax deal. He had an opportunity to go along and ride the wave of this hoax for financial gain but he has something most hoaxers lack. It's called integrity.
50 Large has the details. Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

So, taking count now, we have:

Sasquatches
Wolves
Mountain Lions
Melanistic Jaguars
Possibly Melanistic Mountain Lions

...all roaming the wood lots of Kentucky. This is getting to the level of the giant, tail-hopping dragonfly thread. Are we missing any or are there other alpha predators we need to add? Surely there are a few Nile Crocs in the Ohio, right? Probably albino ones.

And so far collected specimens in KY include:

Wolf
Mountain Lion

That's 2 out of 4 confirmed. I didn't include the black cougar because I'm a little skeptical about those. But, as a whole I think a 50% collection rate of specimens is pretty decent so far. Chris B.

 

[William Parcher]

I positively identified the actual commercial costume used in that hoax with visual proof leaving no reasonable doubts. It was bang zoom over.

There was no need whatsoever to touch the foot.

 

[carlitos]

HarryHenderson,

How is it someone can know with certainty whether a Bigfoot changes hair color or not? Why would I give a definite answer to something I don't know? I won't because I don't know. Unlike alot of opinions here, I will not claim to know the unknowable.

If you have some evidence to support a color change of their hair, by all means lay it on me. Chris B.

Well, since bigfoot doesn't exist, you could start there.

I'm sorry, the colour change theory? Something something pink elephants?

It's hilarious. Do pink elephants shed their tusks? Does the easter bunny have a hair lip?

And so far collected specimens in KY include:

Wolf
Mountain Lion

That's 2 out of 4 confirmed. I didn't include the black cougar because I'm a little skeptical about those. But, as a whole I think a 50% collection rate of specimens is pretty decent so far. Chris B.

I will add statistics to the list of subjects that you do not understand.

 

[Drewbot]

I positively identified the actual commercial costume used in that hoax with visual proof leaving no reasonable doubts. It was bang zoom over.

There was no need whatsoever to touch the foot.

"Good for you Ma'am!"

Sincerely,
Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur Stromm (Mrs.)

 

[The Shrike]

So, how have melanistic jaguars not been discovered or documented by the scientific community when I can see pics and read articles about them?

So do you really think that my statements on this topic indicate that I doubt the existence of melanistic jaguars? If so, then I'm afraid you might have some real deficits in reading comprehension and I wish you luck in getting them sorted.

Okay, one last time (and, of course, escaped captives notwithstanding):

Here is a map illustrating the historic [sic] and current distribution of jaguar. The shaded areas - and specifically the dark green shaded areas - are where the scientists who study jaguars say that wild jaguars live. This is why jaguars do not appear on the state mammal lists of Kentucky or Maine or Idaho. So if people report seeing them in Kentucky and the scientists don't buy it then jaguars are cryptids in Kentucky. That's what those words mean, Chris.

 

[Monza]

I positively identified the actual commercial costume used in that hoax with visual proof leaving no reasonable doubts. It was bang zoom over.

There was no need whatsoever to touch the foot.

Yes. You didn't propose a theory; you actually proved it was a hoax. I assume Chris doesn't want to admit that one can identify a costume from a picture. That may have some implications elsewhere.

 

[LTC8K6]

I positively identified the actual commercial costume used in that hoax with visual proof leaving no reasonable doubts. It was bang zoom over.

There was no need whatsoever to touch the foot.

I remember those discussions well. I think I was about 1 minute behind you.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

So do you really think that my statements on this topic indicate that I doubt the existence of melanistic jaguars? If so, then I'm afraid you might have some real deficits in reading comprehension and I wish you luck in getting them sorted.

Okay, one last time (and, of course, escaped captives notwithstanding):

Here is a map illustrating the historic [sic] and current distribution of jaguar. The shaded areas - and specifically the dark green shaded areas - are where the scientists who study jaguars say that wild jaguars live. This is why jaguars do not appear on the state mammal lists of Kentucky or Maine or Idaho. So if people report seeing them in Kentucky and the scientists don't buy it then jaguars are cryptids in Kentucky. That's what those words mean, Chris.

Bolded mine, Thank you. Location has nothing to do with proven existence as per the definition of a cryptid.

Bigfoot is a cryptid, whether located in the PNW or KY. Scientifically unconfirmed to exist.

Melanistic jaguars are not, whether located in the Amazon or KY. Scientifically confirmed to exist.

Breeding population is a separate issue. I'll never see it any other way.
Chris B.

 

[The Shrike]

I'll never see it any other way.
Chris B.

Another instant classic!

I don't if I've ever seen a statement quite so antithetical to the tenets of critical thinking. Bravo.