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Beady said:
For pretty much the same reason, I suppose, that all the UFO photos are so blurred, grainy and out-of-focus.

Y'know, the thought just occured to me that maybe those videos and photos are perfectly fine; maybe it's the UFOs and Bigfoots (feet?) that are grainy, jumpy, and out-of-focus.
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BRAVA!!!!!!!! YOU ARE CORRECT!

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Cleon said:
Again, this is one of those things that makes it hard to take bigfoot seriously.

Even assuming the evidence for Bigfoot's existence is valid and substantial--which I don't concede--there's not a shred of reason to consider that he'd fall into any of the above genii.

In fact, gigantopithecus is probably out completely, as he probably wasn't bipedal. Australopithecines and ardepithecus were much smaller than human beings. Any attempt at classification at this point is purely guesswork and distracts from the need of Bigfootologists to get enough evidence to prove it even exists!
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And you should not take the F&B BF seriously, because it does not exist as f&b.

EB:D
 
LAL said:
I wasn't being serious.



George Schaller has a problem with a specialized bamboo-eater making it over the Bering Strait.

Krantz thought Gigantopithecus blacki (there was a smaller species as well) was bipedal based on the width of the jaw (wide to allow the passage of a vertical spinal column). It's now thought they were related to Orangutans, but there's really not enough in the way of fossils to establish the mode of locomotion one way or the other. The size seems to match, and it's possible they're an ancestor or a relative, if Sasquatches are not a remnant population.

Napier thought Sasquatches could have been descended from A. robustus. There are other possible bipedal ancestors that have been discovered since then. We don't even knoe our own lineage for certain. The consensus (according to Chris Stringer) is that bipedalism was first, k-w a later adaptation in the Great Apes. The size could be an adaptation for cold.

As for them evolving from a smaller bipedal ancestor, why not? We did.

I don't know of any serious attempts at classification at this point. I personally hate the term "Bigfoot". It's journalese.
"Sasquatch" is a corruption of a Salish Indian name for them and is the preferred term in Canada. It's much more dignified, IMO.

Since there is no field of "Bigfootology", how are there "Bigfootologists"? I know of no one who's spending full time on this.
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Does not matter what Shaller, Krantz and Napier thought.

There is no evidence for an f&b animal.

EB
 
LAL said:



Ah. I just found out there's an ignore feature on this board while uploading the scan of one of my watercolors. (I can't figure out why it's so blurry.) I may try that out.

I take it you dismiss the opinion or Dr. Daris Swindler because he switched from being a sceptic to becoming a "Bigfoot fan" after objectively examining the Skookum Cast, in your opinion?
You might want to read something by Dr. Meldrum, or does he qualify as a fan too because he's applied his excellent methodology to a serious study instead of rejecting it out of hand as so many do?

Goodall and Schaller are out too because they think scientific investigation is warranted, huh? May I use Sarmiento, at least?



Darris Swindler is retired and his opinion is nice but has no impact.
There is no f&b animal bf. Bossberg trax -- so what?

Over with, done! So 1900s.

Snort!

What counts now are tracks that disappear for NO GOOD REASON.






ALSO, EVERYTHING IN THE VIDEO SLMS, is suspect because the producer later faked a tv series on bf research that was all staged!
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Red Siegfried said:
Yeah, and now that Chambers is dead both sides can make up whatever crap about him they want to say. You got skeptics saying he claimed to have faked the Patterson footage and you got believers saying that he said it was real. Blah blah blah ... point is I don't know what Chambers believed.

turtle, let's get back on topic here, I'm tired of arguing about what you think I said about you personally, your emotions and how mean and ignorant you think I am. That's not the topic.

Regarding:

1. (hair). Please reference the hair evidence that you think proves the existence of bigfoot and we'll debate. I would contend that no hair evidence found so far relating to bigfoot specifically can conclusively prove its existence.

2. (photos). We pretty much agree here, I think. Some of it's interesting but most of it is bunk.

3. (footprints). Just because you think it can't be faked doesn't mean it can't. Just because you think it would be too hard to make an enlarged latex copy of a human foot using foam latex, plaster casts and alcohol soaking, then later using a small amount of knowledge about dermal ridges to make some interesting patterns that match neither a human nor an ape (easier to do than creating a unique imprint identifiable as human or ape from scratch), doesn't mean it hasn't been done. It has. If I can find the tape, I'll dig up the name of the program I saw that demonstrated this, and I'll see if I can find some other references on how to do this. (anyone who knows what show I am talking about feel free to chime in). The point is that footprints can be faked. Just because you don't think it's easy doesn't mean it isn't possible, because it's a matter of record that it has been done (your breakfast habits aside). Footprints, complete with dermal ridges, ARE HOAXABLE and don't constitute sufficient evidence for anyone who understands how they are hoaxed, for the same reasons that photographs are not good evidence - anyone who knows how to fake them knows that they can be faked.
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Red, the bunk is you.

I've followed miles and miles of tracks, and in places where no man can make the depth of prints that indicarte wedight in tons, not mere pounds. You just do not know aht you are
talking about. You must live in a computer chair. You talk with authjority based on what?

Who are YOU to decide what photos or tracks are bunk or not?

Dermals might be faked, but how has the time or money or
expertise to do it and why?

Forgt that.

Now address tracks that "end" in snow.

Forget dermals, forget BNossberg, forget Bluff Creek.

THIS
 
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Red Siegfried said:
Yeah, and now that Chambers is dead both sides can make up whatever crap about him they want to say. You got skeptics saying he claimed to have faked the Patterson footage and you got believers saying that he said it was real. Blah blah blah ... point is I don't know what Chambers believed.

turtle, let's get back on topic here, I'm tired of arguing about what you think I said about you personally, your emotions and how mean and ignorant you think I am. That's not the topic.

Regarding:

1. (hair). Please reference the hair evidence that you think proves the existence of bigfoot and we'll debate. I would contend that no hair evidence found so far relating to bigfoot specifically can conclusively prove its existence.

2. (photos). We pretty much agree here, I think. Some of it's interesting but most of it is bunk.

3. (footprints). Just because you think it can't be faked doesn't mean it can't. Just because you think it would be too hard to make an enlarged latex copy of a human foot using foam latex, plaster casts and alcohol soaking, then later using a small amount of knowledge about dermal ridges to make some interesting patterns that match neither a human nor an ape (easier to do than creating a unique imprint identifiable as human or ape from scratch), doesn't mean it hasn't been done. It has. If I can find the tape, I'll dig up the name of the program I saw that demonstrated this, and I'll see if I can find some other references on how to do this. (anyone who knows what show I am talking about feel free to chime in). The point is that footprints can be faked. Just because you don't think it's easy doesn't mean it isn't possible, because it's a matter of record that it has been done (your breakfast habits aside). Footprints, complete with dermal ridges, ARE HOAXABLE and don't constitute sufficient evidence for anyone who understands how they are hoaxed, for the same reasons that photographs are not good evidence - anyone who knows how to fake them knows that they can be faked.
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Red, the bunk is you.

I've followed miles and miles of tracks, and in places where no man can make the depth of prints that indicarte wedight in tons, not mere pounds. You just do not know aht you are
talking about. You must live in a computer chair. You talk with authjority based on what?

Who are YOU to decide what photos or tracks are bunk or not?

Dermals might be faked, but how has the time or money or
expertise to do it and why? aND WHO CAN SNEAK INTO A SEALED
WATERSHED AREA THAT IS GUARDED BY MEN ON HORSEBACK
(wALLA wALLA) TO FAKE DERMALS? iT IS A HOTL LONG 99 DEGREE 90 PER CENT HUMIDITY HIKE UPHILL.....MILES AND MILES.

iI went thEre on horseback with a ranger and it SUCKS!

When I got back, I dived into a creek, clothes and all.


Forgt that.

Now address tracks that "end" in snow.

Forget dermals, forget BNossberg, forget Bluff Creek.

THIS IS THIS HOTBUTTON ISSUE.

YOU GUYS ARE SO 1900S.....most you do not know squat.
 
LAL said:
I'm sure Richard Noll, who is a globally recognized engineer, will appreciate knowing he looks like an unemployed redneck.

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Are you aware a number of accredited scientists work with the BFRO?
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REPLY: YAH, one is a "science teacher" with no degree at a bible college. One Dr Fish, is dead. Meldrum exists and is on our group also, the BIP. But maybe not for long, since Moneymaker was caught faking return bf screams to satisfy those who paid


$1400 to go along on trips.

Noll -- does look like an unemployed redneck.

Has no degree in engineering, and only HE says he is "globally recognized".

He stole the Skookum cast from his partner, and locked it away.

Trust no one.
 
erikbeckjord said:
REPLY: YAH, one is a "science teacher" with no degree at a bible college. One Dr Fish, is dead. Meldrum exists and is on our group also, the BIP. But maybe not for long, since Moneymaker was caught faking return bf screams to satisfy those who paid
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You mean Alton Higgins? Who said he's a scientist? I wasn't referring to him. Dr. Fish was a zoologist. I hope he isn't discredited just for being dead.

$1400 to go along on trips.
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The fee varies. I would gladly pay it. It would be the best vacation I ever had and a lot cheaper than a trip to the Bahamas. I've had good reports on the experience, especially the educational features.

Noll -- does look like an unemployed redneck.

Has no degree in engineering, and only HE says he is "globally recognized".

He stole the Skookum cast from his partner, and locked it away.

Trust no one.
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Especially you. I expect you to back up each and every one of your claims and then explain why you are permanently banned from BigfootForums.com. Anyone mentioning your name finds the post altered (Voldemort) and may receive a warning.


"Beckjord has been arrested at, banned from, and thrown out of almost
every serious scientific Sasquatch and cryptozoology meeting he has
attended. Beckjord even took to wearing an alien mask at one such
gathering in 1999."


-- Loren Coleman

You look like.....what?
 
erikbeckjord said:
LAL:

My links work if accessed via http://www.bigfoot.org

and have you learned to tie your shoes yet?

And do you have a name?

EB
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It's "Lu" and it's on the bottom of my post. My Initials are LAL.

I really don't have time to access the links through your stupid and hard to navigate site.

I'm undoubtedly older than you are and learned to tie my shoes long before you learned to make a complete ass of yourself.

Has anyone done an intervention on you yet? It would appear to be long overdue.
 
Hi Lu, my name is Bill. If that NC is for North Carolina, then we have that in common.

The coffee's on me after reading a few of Beckjord's posts. :)


erikbeckjord
Student

Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Berkeley,CA
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Berkeley, Ca.? Ah hah! That explains some of it. :crazy:
 
erikbeckjord said:
I knew Krantz, all too well. You don't.

He was a dishonest scientist who ignored data that he did not "like".
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IOW, he didn't agree with you.

Giganto was never BF since the jaws DO NOT MATCH.

BF has slender jaw ad seen in PG Film, frames 368.369.370.372.372

Anthropologists are not God and Krantz was the devil.

EB
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Reconstruction by Dr. Grover Krantz based on large Chinese male fossil jaw, assuming bipedal posture and ape-sized brain below. The Patterson creature was female. There seems to be sexual dimorphism in what appears to be a flesh and blood species, assuming they exist. I would expect a female's jaw to be lighter, but without the PGF creature's jawbone for comparison, it's difficult to tell.

You're saying no one would fake dermal ridges but shapeshifters leave them? Geez.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Hi Lu, my name is Bill. If that NC is for North Carolina, then we have that in common.


The coffee's on me after reading a few of Beckjord's posts. :)
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Great. Yes, I'm in North Carolina. I know a great coffee house. They have to-die-for baked goodies, too.

Pleased to meet you, Bill.


Berkeley, Ca.? Ah hah! That explains some of it. :crazy:
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You aren't suggesting acid, are you?
 
LAL, I'm going to step forward and apologize, too. I don't consider your evidence compelling or substantial, but at least it makes sense.
 
Hitch said:
LAL, I'm going to step forward and apologize, too. I don't consider your evidence compelling or substantial, but at least it makes sense.
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Gosh. Thanks. Want to join us for coffee? Maybe Beckjord is good for something after all.

Here's what happened on BigfootForums:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11173&hl=eric+beckjord

Serious researchers aren't claiming the evidence is conclusive, only that there's enough to warrant further investigation.
Myths don't leave footprints, scat, or hair. Witnesses many miles and years apart come up with the same details. I think that rules out some sort of mass hallucination or group misidentfication.

I was impressed with a story I heard in Washington of two cousins hearing a whistle, then seeing a creature peering out from behind a tree (it went one way, they went the other). I thought I'd read something about whistling and found that was in a letter from a Missionary written in 1841. I doubt my informant's cousins would have been aware of that.

Descriptions of the odor match (Gorillas give off a "fear scent"). The scent isn't always noted, so perhaps it could be the product of special glands. Why anyone would think a stench like that would be given of by some sort of "paranormal being" is beyond me.
 
LAL said:
Gosh. Thanks. Want to join us for coffee? Maybe Beckjord is good for something after all.

Here's what happened on BigfootForums:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11173&hl=eric+beckjord

Serious researchers aren't claiming the evidence is conclusive, only that there's enough to warrant further investigation.
Myths don't leave footprints, scat, or hair. Witnesses many miles and years apart come up with the same details. I think that rules out some sort of mass hallucination or group misidentfication.

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Why that’s rather skeptical of you! ;)

I think what you’re saying here is correct. It’s always best to reserve judgment and attempt to gather more evidence. Especially if your goal is to prove something that was heretofore a myth is in fact a reality.

But gathering evidence does not mean finding ways to bolster one hypothesis over another. A scientific theory *must* be falsifiable. A hypothesis *must* be driven by evidence and not by imagination or wishful thinking.

It also does not rule out action by the other two legged mega-fauna that inhabits every region that Bigfoot is said to roam. We can be sure that there is *some* physical manifestation that creates Bigfoot events, what that actually is we cannot be sure.

This seems to be the only reasonable course, at least to myself
 
LAL said:
You mean Alton Higgins? Who said he's a scientist? I wasn't referring to him. Dr. Fish was a zoologist. I hope he isn't discredited just for being dead.



The fee varies. I would gladly pay it. It would be the best vacation I ever had and a lot cheaper than a trip to the Bahamas. I've had good reports on the experience, especially the educational features.



Especially you. I expect you to back up each and every one of your claims and then explain why you are permanently banned from BigfootForums.com. Anyone mentioning your name finds the post altered (Voldemort) and may receive a warning.

REPLY: 1) the best people are often in jail or banned.

One man banned me from bffoons.com because I told him he was not qualified (as a non-researcher) to run such a forum.
So he got upset. Big deal.

MOST mods are also not qualified. On most ALL forums.

2) $1400 --- ??????? You are a real sucker... 2 nights and 3 days
of getting to listen to faked return screams.

"PT Barnum - there's a sucker bnorn evry minute"

3) Dr Fish is dead, and there are fewer PhDs assisting Matt
than I have assisting me. BFRO is NOT a scientific org.

4) You must be totally brainwashed by Matt Moneytaker.

and he IS bfro. Fool yourself not.

See info re Matt etc, at http://www.bigfootforums.net/forums

and I

5) note you never contacted me once with your
criticisms here. I am NOT hard to find.


6) But I admire your female spunk.








"Beckjord has been arrested at, banned from, and thrown out of almost
every serious scientific Sasquatch and cryptozoology meeting he has
attended. Beckjord even took to wearing an alien mask at one such
gathering in 1999."


-- Loren Coleman

You look like.....what?


7) You


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;) ;) quote LOREN COLEMAN THE THIEF OF PHOTOS FROM PETER BYRNE?

hO! 1) he lies.
2) I was falsely arrested at one meeitng because of a man with fake i.d. who faked death threat letters with my

NAME MISSPELLED!!!!!!!!!In signature.......!!!!!!

3) Most COnventiopn leaders are frauds, look at Jason V -- invited COLEMAN!

4) HOW DID YOU GET TO BE SO GULLIBLE???????

5)

BONK!
:p
 
erikbeckjord said:
;) ;) quote LOREN COLEMAN THE THIEF OF PHOTOS FROM PETER BYRNE?

hO! 1) he lies.
2) I was falsely arrested at one meeitng because of a man with fake i.d. who faked death threat letters with my

NAME MISSPELLED!!!!!!!!!In signature.......!!!!!!

3) Most COnventiopn leaders are frauds, look at Jason V -- invited COLEMAN!

4) HOW DID YOU GET TO BE SO GULLIBLE???????

5)

BONK!
:p
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Get help.
 
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