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...Don't make the mistake of sincerity in the position tendered. Instead, think duper's delight: The more frustrated someone can make you in dealing with the tactics, the more delight they enjoy...
I think it's a little more complex than that. I see three main motivations for pretending: money, fun (or duper's delight) and attention seeking (or the need to feel special), not to mention the anti-science or anti-government agendas linked to religious beliefs and political opinions. Each player has his own motivations.
 
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I think it's a little more complex than that. I see three main motivations for pretending: money, fun (or duper's delight) and attention seeking (or the need to feel special), not to mention the anti-science or anti-government agendas linked to religious beliefs and political opinions. Each player has his own motivations.

Oh I agree. Absolutely.

I was being a little coy. I was being specific about a person here without mentioning a name.

Yes. Everyone has their own motivations.
 
That's what you took from my example?

Okay then, the guy in the office next to mine studies sportfish management. For every bird survey I've ever done, he's electroshocked fish and drawn them to the surface in a seine net. Never, in the thousands of surveys he's done like this, nor in all of those done by thousands of other fisheries biologists, has someone pulled a stunned Red-eyed Vireo from the water column. From this, we can confidently conclude that Red-eyed Vireos do not occur in the water column of freshwater streams, lakes, or ponds.

See how we can use negative data to reveal natural phenomena?

I'm sorry Shrike, I was coming off a two day migraine. I tend to get my thread topics mixed up going back and forth. Your point is valid.
 
It isn't belief in bigfoot that matters. Most of them don't believe anyway. What matters is having scruples.

On woo fora you will find a happy home for lying, defining words to suit your whims, diversion, evasion, selective memory, denial - every little tactic of dishonest interaction with others.

The game is about power and control. Button pushing, for example. The "no true skeptic" fallacy is used universally by 'footers and also by faux-skeptics just trolling on this forum. No true skeptic would doubt the possible existence of bigfoot. The true skeptic is 100% certain that there is a possibility. lol.

Don't make the mistake of sincerity in the position tendered. Instead, think duper's delight: The more frustrated someone can make you in dealing with the tactics, the more delight they enjoy.

Someone above pointed out the fundamental unfairness at work in the argument that's got the buzz going. Well sure, that's the whole point - playing honestly and above-board is too much work. Playing dirty is easy. My manipulative old college room-mate used to say "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

You store in your mind which dirty tricks seem to work best with people. That's how you classify them: Use shaming on bill. Use false flattery with Sally. Use guilt-tripping on Sam. Play the "no true skeptic" fallacy with skeptics. Get them angry with defining your own words, but do it in a way that makes it plausible you actually believe the words coming out of your mouth.

It isn't baffling to me at all. Bigfoot is a platform to operate from, not a belief. It's a con game. People with scruples are eventually going to leave 'footery if they fall into it by accident because the conscience cannot permit being dishonest about what you say you believe.

But a person who is a con man at heart can "give up" a belief they never had in the first place to take on some new role. Nothing has changed in terms of what is important interacting with others.

I certainly do agree with your synopsis of the situation. It also applies to other tangents tendered here on the forum on other topics.
 
Which is exactly my point regarding using a true skeptical approach, without data what kind of conclusion can you draw either way?
But we do have data,

There has never been a large primate on continental America - never.
Nothing ever bigger than a squirrel.
And those that DID exist, went extinct around 40 million years ago.

There is no logical, sceptical, scientific reason to even consider the existence of a 9ft primate extant on the N.Am continent if (prosimian) primates went extinct nearly 40 million years ago.

Sod the fact that no evidence has ever been unearthed since human habitation.

Primates have never existed there in the past 40 million years.​
This is data.
Solid, scientific conclusions can be drawn from them.
 
Ah, but you can't prove its not there!

And I KNOW I saw one.

...it was me. (It's not my fault I look like a "Squatch sow...)

"..My Grampa was a Great White Hunter,
He met Gramma swingin' on a tree.
If you want to have attractive children, darling,
Don't marry me!"
 
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NL,

In the Finding Bigfoot thread you said
"I watched it last night and man, did they bring out the whackadoodles for that show.... That, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic case where the nuts were in fine form...."

I'm just wondering where you draw the line between "whackadoodles" and acceptable bigfoot stories...and why you draw it there? (serious question)
 
NL,

In the Finding Bigfoot thread you said
"I watched it last night and man, did they bring out the whackadoodles for that show.... That, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic case where the nuts were in fine form...."

I'm just wondering where you draw the line between "whackadoodles" and acceptable bigfoot stories...and why you draw it there? (serious question)

Good question. For someone who doesn't believe in the existence of the big guy, EVERY report or story is by a whackadoodle, but those of us that do know they exist are able to listen to some of these and just shake our collective heads. I know there are people out there trying to get attention by telling while stories and they did show them on that episode.
 
Good question. For someone who doesn't believe in the existence of the big guy, EVERY report or story is by a whackadoodle, but those of us that do know they exist are able to listen to some of these and just shake our collective heads. I know there are people out there trying to get attention by telling while stories and they did show them on that episode.


My bolded: Prove it.

If you can't then submit than you cannot and that no one can. (we already know this to be true) If you feel otherwise, again; prove it. If not, all the wagging of tails does nothing more than boost sales/interest in the BIGFOOT INDUSTRY.

That is what bigfoot is about, not a reality, about keeping a dying business model afloat. There is no bigfoot, no faeries, and no mermaids. In fact, EVERY single resolved claim (meaning its been proven one way or another to be false or true) has shown to be fasle, and no verifiable proof has EVER been brought forth by ANYONE since the initial claims of bigfoot were ever made. To believe in bigfoot is foolish at best, and most likely just a ploy to keep selling your dying business model to the rubes.
 
It must really be irritating to know that giant bipedal monkeys are roaming the woods, and yet be totally unable to prove it to anyone, or even begin to show that it's possible.

That's got to bother a person.
 
Good question. For someone who doesn't believe in the existence of the big guy, EVERY report or story is by a whackadoodle, but those of us that do know they exist are able to listen to some of these and just shake our collective heads. I know there are people out there trying to get attention by telling while stories and they did show them on that episode.


Not true. As far as I'm concerned, some are better at describing "encounter" adventures, than others. Those "wackadoodles" tell great stories. Yours are mostly boring. Except for the candy chucking incident. That was pretty cool. Wussy bigfoot "incidents" involving lurking, tree peeking and whatnot just won't cut the mustard anymore, NL. Seriously, you gotta amp it up a bit. Those "wackadoodles" get it. Look at the area x guys... rock battles and giant slingshots. That's bigfootin', baby. Go big, or go home, NL. I want my monster wood ape attack story, NL. I know you can do it.
 
Good question. For someone who doesn't believe in the existence of the big guy, EVERY report or story is by a whackadoodle, but those of us that do know they exist are able to listen to some of these and just shake our collective heads. I know there are people out there trying to get attention by telling while stories and they did show them on that episode.

That brings to mind frequent arguments on rpg forums about how X is not playing the game properly. The more silly the playing style the more head shaking and mumbling of "munchkins".

I don't know why that occurred to me...
 
I wish Bigfootry would go back to GIANT BIGFOOT TRAPS. I mean the Big ones, the ones made out of huge Redwoods, with spikes carved out of Oak Trees, and buried in the ground with Caterpillar Front End Loaders, King Kong sized Gates, and Oil from the tar pit on the locking mechanism.

Also, instead of the military jargon, they should go to the Loopy, Crazy eyed, Joe Cocker type jargon, it gives the impression that "I don't give a crap, I believe in Bigfoot. So listen to me"

Tango Foxtrot Team 4, the point team on Operation Bill Murray Movies, made Contact with Baker Foxtrot, hitherto knownforth as Whiskey-Alpha, at 1400 hours on D Plus Four, Contact proceeded to execute a right flanking maneuver, at which time, Team Leader Smith decided to execute withdrawal Procedure - GOLF-DELTA-FOXTROT-OSCAR-OSCAR-DELTA and they all withdrew into the base of operations.

Sounds a little to stiff doesn't it?
Here is what I am proposing as a better lingo:
We was up on that hill, and we was skerred, we tried our cell phones but we didn't get no signal, the feller started walking toward Mike and we was all like "Get the bleep out of here!!" and we all ran for the cabin.
 
Good question. For someone who doesn't believe in the existence of the big guy, EVERY report or story is by a whackadoodle, but those of us that do know they exist are able to listen to some of these and just shake our collective heads. I know there are people out there trying to get attention by telling while stories and they did show them on that episode.

I thought you needed a pretend sighting to be a knower; how else would you know? Faith?
 
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