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I don't think we'll need Sykes...

WASHINGTON COUNTY, Ore. – A naked man talking about Sasquatch used a rock to attack a hunter in rural Washington County on Thursday morning, deputies said.

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According to Sgt. Bob Ray with the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the attacker was 20-year-old Linus Norgren of Banks.

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...Norgren was yelling that he came from a long family line of Sasquatches.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...about-Sasquatch-attacks-hunter-227340671.html

...since the above would seem to support Ketchum...:)
 
I think 'Yeti' crosses oceans, where as Bigfoot may only be a N. American marketing ploy.

Wonder if there will be a title change by the American publisher.

I'm always surprised that the yeti and sasquatch are often seen as synonymous creatures nowadays. Just looking at the fake Shipton print and the fake Bluff Creek prints, the yeti is more apelike and obviously not as evolutionary advanced as the giant human-footed sasquatch.
 
I couldn't care less what he comes up with. The question of Bigfoot's existence has nothing to do with Sykes' studies.

Exactly. I'm amused by the posturing that we need to wait until every new marketing gimmick has run its course before we can laugh at the preposterousness of bigfoot. As if the last thousand years hasn't been decisive.
 
Sykes' book's tentative title is "The Quest For The Yeti" and it seems he is separating the yeti from Bigfoot conceptually as a different possible species. By giving the yeti title billing, I'm assuming the find that will shake our foundations, or whatever, will be from yeti samples.

On the other hand, the press release did mention that near the end of his questing two samples popped up that were very interesting and changed the coarse of the study. And it seems that Sykes did spend some of the later months of his quest in the company of the Bigfootology folks.

We will see.

Of course it is two different species. Have you seen the Shipton Prints? They are clearlyYeti http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/50yearsago.htm

and bears no similarity to the type-specimen footprint which is the Patterson foot, of Bigfoot. http://www.floridabigfoot.com/wp-content/27-MeldrumNAHominoid.pdf
 
Exactly. I'm amused by the posturing that we need to wait until every new marketing gimmick has run its course before we can laugh at the preposterousness of bigfoot. As if the last thousand years hasn't been decisive.

Right, bigfoot doesn't exist and Sykes isn't going to change that, but he may prop up the myth some more and add credibility...

He's already being used though, and if he reports anything that can in any way be used to the footer's advantage, that's all we will hear from the big media outlets.

Even today, we tend to hear that the hair Sykes tested earlier couldn't be identified. We seldom hear the full story.
 
...Even today, we tend to hear that the hair Sykes tested earlier couldn't be identified. We seldom hear the full story.

which is the following for the record:
...A well publicized expedition to Bhutan reported that a hair sample had been obtained which by DNA analysis by Professor Bryan Sykes could not be matched to any known animal. Analysis completed after the media release, however, clearly showed the samples were from a Brown bear (Ursus arctos) and an Asiatic black bear (Ursus thibetanus)....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeti
 
Sir David Attenborough on the Yeti...

"I'm baffled by the Abominable Snowman - very convincing footprints have been found at 19,000ft. No-one does that for a joke. I think it's unanswered."
 
Some people will go to extraordinary lengths to perpetrate a prank.

But nobody needs to do what Attenborough is thinking about. He imagines that the Yeti hoaxer climbs to 19,000 feet in secret alone with their fake track making device and then just hopes to have somebody happen upon them. Like a spider who builds a web but has no certainty of catching anything.

Instead the hoaxer is part of the expedition or is somehow associated so that there is no extraordinary burden of creating the hoax and so that it can certainly attract witnesses. But for some reason Sir David cannot imagine or won't suggest an "inside job".
 
. . . But for some reason Sir David cannot imagine or won't suggest an "inside job".

Right, here's another example of a brilliant mind that hasn't been trained in skepticism. Attenborough lacks the gene for deviousness. This makes it easier for him to "what if" a yeti out of thin air than to imagine scenarios of simple trickery that can easily explain the purported evidence.

Skepticism and critical thinking is about more than just "being smart". This has been an important theme of James Randi's efforts for decades.
 
It also helps to be a former prankster/hoaxer.
Trust me we they will go to extremes to pull the perfect prank/hoax.
 
I don't know, I probably would have thought it was some bear that wondered too high up the mountain for whatever reason. Isn't there a species that lives at higher altitudes in the Alps, or do they stick to the treeline?
 
How did this mysterious yeti manage to make only a single track?
Of course it's a bigger story than this, but in essence MysteryYeti™ got into this whole huge screaming argument with the record producer one day and they both left in a raging huff. And then MY™ just never came back to record anything else. I mean beyond the single track "Let's Hallucinate" they'd finished just days before the blow up. **** happens I guess.
 
The single track is completely different from those from the line and Ward and Shipton's explanations about it are far-fetched, to say the least:
...An early sceptic was Ed Hillary, one of the two New Zealanders who took part in the 1951 reconnaissance. Hillary noticed that there were striking differences between the nature of the tracks in the two sets of photographs. The single footprint is clearly new and fresh, whereas those in the line of tracks are blurred and indistinct, almost certainly the result of thawing and refreezing over a period of several days. Hillary questioned Shipton on the issue several times but always found him evasive. 'Eric,' Hillary told me, 'tended to rather dodge giving too much of a reply.

A second sceptic was the anthropologist John Napier,a professor of primate biology at London University,who went on to write Bigfoot,an enquiry into the existence of a range of creatures of dubious provenance, published in 1972. As well as being baffled by the unique characteristics of the single footprint, he too noticed marked differences between the two sets of prints. The footprint in the close-up shot is almost rectangular, with the addition of the toes. The footprints in the long-shot are oval and there are no signs of toes.
During his research, Napier was so puzzled that he questioned first Ward and then Shipton about the discrepancies. It was Ward who proposed a novel explanation: there had in fact been two entirely different sets of tracks. Shipton supported Ward's account, agreeing with Napier that those in the long-shot were probably made by a goat; it was only those in the close-up which emanated from the unknown creature, yeti or otherwise. Shipton blamed the original confusion on a sub-editor at The Times; Ward suggested that the negatives had been mixed up in the archives of the Mount Everest Foundation. What was particularly striking about this explanation was that it contradicted all previous accounts. Shipton, in The Times, had described seeing just one set of tracks, and repeated this in his book The Mount Everest Reconnaissance Expedition (1952) and his autobiography, Upon That Mountain (1956). Ward too had related the one-track version in his own autobiography In This Short Span, published shortly before Napier's Bigfoot.

Further confirmation of the one-track account is to be found in the diary of Bill Murray.
On November 11, two days after the sighting by Shipton and Ward, Murray and Tom Bourdillon came upon the footprints, which Murray described as 'a long line of spoor along the line of Eric and Michael's track'. I discussed the whole episode with Murray, who died in 1996, and he was certain that there was just one set of tracks...
Peter Gillman for "The Alpine Journal" 2001 page 145
http://www.alpinejournal.org.uk/Contents/Contents_2001_files/AJ 2001 141-151 Gillman Yeti.pdf
 

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Instead the hoaxer is part of the expedition or is somehow associated so that there is no extraordinary burden of creating the hoax and so that it can certainly attract witnesses. But for some reason Sir David cannot imagine or won't suggest an "inside job".

So, you're saying it was a conspiracy?
 
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