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Classic cop-out:

Michael Marsico "Dr. Ketchum now that you have had an experience with them do you believe that these beings are capable of being scientifically studied and photographed as would most other rare and elusive creatures."
20 hours ago

Dr. Melba Ketchum "No, they are very shy. I know that they can be studied. I have been doing that when I am not working, but they shun electronics to a large extent so getting pictures is very difficult. Some people have been able to get pictures but it is the exception rather than the rule."




So she is able to see and study them, and they are magnificent creatures. She has a "good spot" to study them, and she can see them WITH HER EYES, yet they are too shy and elusive to take a picture of? Malarkey. Pure, simple malarkey.

How does anyone believe this crap?
 
Classic cop-out:

Michael Marsico "Dr. Ketchum now that you have had an experience with them do you believe that these beings are capable of being scientifically studied and photographed as would most other rare and elusive creatures."
20 hours ago

Dr. Melba Ketchum "No, they are very shy. I know that they can be studied. I have been doing that when I am not working, but they shun electronics to a large extent so getting pictures is very difficult. Some people have been able to get pictures but it is the exception rather than the rule."




So she is able to see and study them, and they are magnificent creatures. She has a "good spot" to study them, and she can see them WITH HER EYES, yet they are too shy and elusive to take a picture of? Malarkey. Pure, simple malarkey.

How does anyone believe this crap?

"Dr. Ketchum, might I accompany you on your next field study?"

"No. They are too shy these bigfeet. They only like me."
 
If they, "shun electronics" so much, why not take a classic mechanical camera into the field? You can still find film, and a good old mechanical rangefinder camera would have no electronics. I live not far from The Melba, and have a couple she could borrow. Maybe I'll shoot her a message and see if she'll take me up on it.....
 
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I got me one o them thar habiteeaten siterachunes. I cans see them but you cant. No, I wont prove it, and I'm taking my toys/paper home with me. I'm going to brag about it and hype all sorts of crazy **** for years, but dont ask me to prove a thang.
 
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I got me one o them thar habiteeaten siterachunes. I cans see them but you cant. No, I wont prove it, and I'm taking my toys/paper home with me. I'm going to brag about it and hype all sorts of crazy **** for years, but dont ask me to prove a thang.

apparently you are familiar with a certain someone who is...well sass of foot shall we say! lmao
 
They have a very deceptive piece about the "confidentiality" of pre-publication papers on that facebook site.

People here who have published besides me have already confirmed that we put the title of submitted papers on our vita and list the journal they are under review at. There is absolutely no expectation from journals of keeping it a secret that it is under review by them. What you are not allowed to know is who the referees are.

This is especially true when your current research is being funded by a grant from the national science foundation or whatever - you'll put the title of the grant and the reference number on there. It is going to be a technical report for the granting agency at a minumum, and if it is good it will get into Nature or something. So people know what you are up to long before you even submit it.

I do mostly consulting work now so I list what contract I am on and the technical report, after I am finished, is the property of the people I am doing it for. But I am free to publish the results somewhere if I weren't so lazy. Money will make me get off my fat butt, but journals don't pay you to publish and I don't need it for an activity report at a university anymore.

Here is the main deception involving her non-disclosure agreement, which can't possibly have anything to do with this tripe:

The NDA was required by this project because of the involvement of many people who have no experience with the research and peer-review process. You don't have to tell a scientist that they can't talk about research they plan to publish. However, when a project involves lay people, an NDA ensures the journals' expectations of confidentiality.


The first sentence is probably a half-truth that is followed by a misleading second statement and finally the outright lie.

The half-truth is that it involves hoaxers who are not involved in peer-reviewed publication because they are crooks. The second statement is untrue - as a matter of fact when you work at a University you are required to put on your activity report what research you are doing and where you sent it for review. Likewise, you list it on the vita to show people what your current research activities are.

The last part is just a bold-faced lie. Journals only disallow you from submitting it elsewhere for publication.


It's hilarious to see someone with a facebook page that has appeared on everything except a peer reviewed journal complaining that she is handicapped in her nonexistent peer-reviewed work by the very people who she HAS chosen to interact with. It is like an actor on TV complaining about his TV show audience interfering in his nonexistent medical practice.

In terms of the psychology, you have to consider what happens to someone when they have been pushing a hoax this long, and the pressure builds because they have been promising that something is coming soon. parnassus is right that money is the motivation, but that doesn't mean you apply the ordinary psychology of the profit motive. You have to apply criminal psychology where the criminal may have a goal in mind like conning someone out of money or robbing a bank - but when things don't go according to plan and they start losing control then you get behavior that seems bizarre to us. But the crooks are just doing the best they can given their twisted ethics. They aren't going to stop lying and stealing. When they first tell the lie or start the con-game they are poised and confident. When things turn against them their lies start self-contradicting, they create diversions and evasions, and they'll do things out of frantic desperation. The thief, when caught at the door of the vault, does not say "Oh yeah, I'm robbing this bank" or tell his confidence game mark "Oh, I'm not really the man I am pretending to be..."

So it is going to be entertaining.
 
They have a very deceptive piece about the "confidentiality" of pre-publication papers on that facebook site.

People here who have published besides me have already confirmed that we put the title of submitted papers on our vita and list the journal they are under review at. There is absolutely no expectation from journals of keeping it a secret that it is under review by them. What you are not allowed to know is who the referees are.
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So it is going to be entertaining.
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I agree; I think her paper is seeing "the hand", and they are just scrambling to keep the curtain from being pulled back on the whole mess. The entire Facebook smokescreen is frankly appalling; they could hardly have thought up a better way to sabotage their chances of getting a paper accepted. Adding Sally Ramey's nonsense to the steaming pile is like adding Ethel Mertz to the conveyor belt staff.
 
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So it is going to be entertaining.

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Already is! When this thing hits the fan, its going to be funny because so many newbie bigfooters are hanging on to it as their last strand of hope. Are they still accepting samples? They were at Oct 22 2011. (when I last inquired)
 
If there is ANY provenence for these samples, and I doubt it, it might be interesting to see where they were posted from. If any of the well known footers were near that place or places at or near the time it could be illustrative. I know Parcher and Parnassus have possited theories about Paulides in the past. Just sayin, you know.
 
With supposedly over 200 samples and multiple people sending in samples, one can hope that an acceptable chain of custody applies to the ones that made into the "study" or "paper".

It would be hard to imagine that Smeja's could be based on their back story that something was shot but not collected at the time and much later the dog found some hairy piece of meat that ended up salted and supposedly didn't meet the scrutiny of the Scientists on site.
 
The bigfoot coffin, by weight, is more nail than wood, but there will still be life after Ketchum . . .

absolutely. Bigfootery will never die. Unlike some religion-based cults, it has a rather extensive evidence-based pseudoscientific veneer, plus the advantages of the internet-based social network. The footer will never go extinct. The demands placed on the individual are few, and not generally onerous. Weekends in the woods, some shopping...nothing arduous. Ketchum can go on for another year without a scientific journal publication, before the acolytes begin to desert her, but I think she will get something out before that happens, even if it is just a book, DVD and/or a non-peer reviewed article. She will sell a few thousand copies of the book, attract many more samples, and the footers will be happy, jobs will be created, and Obama will be re-elected.

But even if she vanished completely, it wouldn't matter. Meldrum is still there, the intertubes are still here, Moneymaker is still spouting and touting...
 
I don't expect any publicity is necessarily bad publicity in some realms. Take for example the freezer fiasco. Bigfoot sightings were up, and so was the bigfoot business afterward. Isn't that what it's all about? If you disagree perhaps you're not looking at the same pages of history regarding bigfoot and its mystique.

Things like this reaffirm that social constructs and the likes of them are never going away. The more buzz the better. It's much like expecting all psychics to disappear if Brown were to be exposed. There will always be hucksters out there, and the gullible will consume it with bliss.
 
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I don't expect any publicity is necessarily bad publicity in some realms. Take for example the freezer fiasco. Bigfoot sightings were up, and so was the bigfoot business afterward. Isn't that what it's all about? If you disagree perhaps you're not looking at the same pages of history regarding bigfoot and its mystique.

Things like this reaffirm that social constructs and the likes of them are never going away. The more buzz the better. It's much like expecting all psychics to disappear if Brown were to be exposed. There will always be hucksters out there, and the gullible will consume it with bliss.
yes, a certain politician is just lying his a$$ off, everyone knows it, and no one seems to care; he leads the race. By the way, did anyone else notice the reversed flag lying on the seats in the Detroit stadium?
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