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I tend to agree with you, I'm just trying to figure out how a hoax could be perpetuated regarding DNA? Or why go to the lengths and expense unless there was a bigger pay off?

Wouldn't that depend on what the results were as to how a scheme might proceed? Which claim would have the most potential? Bigfoot is an animal, bigfoot is a relic hominid, no DNA for an unknown was isolated?
 
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Jodie said:
I tend to agree with you, I'm just trying to figure out how a hoax could be perpetuated regarding DNA? Or why go to the lengths and expense unless there was a bigger pay off?

Wouldn't that depend on what the results were as to how a scheme might proceed? What results would be likely to give you the biggest pay off?
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My guess the best payoff would be some sort of mystery. You can't be penalized by academia really much for mystery mongering since that isn't lying. Believers would see "mystery" and read that as "bigfoot." Look at OS. "There is saliva on this trail cam. Obviously bigfoot was licking it." Or other typical footer stuff. "These trees are no longer standing. Obviously bigfoot was angry and tore the trees out."

And I'd guess you'd perpetuate the hoax by not letting anyone get a sample to retest. Or maybe making them jump through enough hoops to make it not worth the effort to those people or require them to have the "right credentials" before they can examine the samples themselves. Or maybe the samples can be destroyed since they had already been tested and therefore one could claim they were no longer useful. Lots of ways. All of them transparent. Some might not work. I'm a bit out of my league. But I'm sure someone creative enough can find an out. I think the payoff could be big enough. Money plus confirming the beliefs you and your friends and supporters hold. I think Smeja is doing his thing for attention, Ketchum could be too.

And I'm sure anyone wanting to retest the samples would be a villain in the world of bigfootery.
 
I am Bigfoot said:
My guess the best payoff would be some sort of mystery. You can't be penalized by academia really much for mystery mongering since that isn't lying. Believers would see "mystery" and read that as "bigfoot." Look at OS. "There is saliva on this trail cam. Obviously bigfoot was licking it." Or other typical footer stuff. "These trees are no longer standing. Obviously bigfoot was angry and tore the trees out."

And I'd guess you'd perpetuate the hoax by not letting anyone get a sample to retest. Or maybe making them jump through enough hoops to make it not worth the effort to those people or require them to have the "right credentials" before they can examine the samples themselves. Or maybe the samples can be destroyed since they had already been tested and therefore one could claim they were no longer useful. Lots of ways. All of them transparent. Some might not work. I'm a bit out of my league. But I'm sure someone creative enough can find an out. I think the payoff could be big enough. Money plus confirming the beliefs you and your friends and supporters hold. I think Smeja is doing his thing for attention, Ketchum could be too.

And I'm sure anyone wanting to retest the samples would be a villain in the world of bigfootery.
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The biggest Pay off is and has always been to make it a mystery. Take it one step further in each generation. In Search of.. Monsterquest.. Finding Bigfoot.. Lather. .. rinse and repeat.. as we like to say. Use the technology for the benefit of the woo.. it is classic.
 
AttorneyTom said:
The biggest Pay off is and has always been to make it a mystery. Take it one step further in each generation. In Search of.. Monsterquest.. Finding Bigfoot.. Lather. .. rinse and repeat.. as we like to say. Use the technology for the benefit of the woo.. it is classic.
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You do have a point. But I don't know. There might be a bigger payoff in an out and out "Mystery solved." type approach. I mean...with the expeditions to go camping with "professional" bigfoot hunters, they always "find bigfoot." I don't think they typically take the "hmmm. That might have been bigfoot. " approach. There's a lot of money in telling people "BIGFOOT IS IN THE WOODS RIGHT BEHIND YOU! No. Don't go look. Stay here." And people keep paying money for this kind of thing.

One could presumably find another scam that works the same way. The money might dry up sooner, but there could potentially be a larger, quick pay off if you knew what you were doing.
 
Yes, I can think of a lot ways to get out of verifying the results, and that is more than likely what will happen. I'm trying to think of what the benefit would be in claiming a positive result.

If they claim bigfoot is an ape then that isn't going to explain the claims for past behavior or how there was a lack of evidence. It would be costly to educate hunters, set aside habitat, etc...no great profit in that.

It seems like claiming it as a relic hominid has the most potential for spin. So if it appears in a peer reviewed journal, would there be a way to forge the methodology and interpretation of the results? I don't think Dr. Ketchum has the technical ability to do that and I can't see any geneticist going out on a limb like that for a bigfoot study.

I guess the best way to claim that is to leave room for doubt but argue for the relic hominid interpretation of the DNA. You could probably run with that result among the bigfoot community and reinforce their beliefs but I still can't see how it would be profitable.

No one is paying anyone anything right now other than for a few camping trips, a show that may or may not last more than a few seasons, and some books that appeal to a small niche market. I'm not seeing the big bucks in any of that.
 
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It seems like claiming it as a relic hominid has the most potential for spin. So if it appears in a peer reviewed journal, would there be a way to forge the methodology and interpretation of the results? I don't think Dr. Ketchum has the technical ability to do that and I can't see any geneticist going out on a limb like that for a bigfoot study.


No one is paying anyone anything right now other than for a few camping trips, a show that may or may not last more than a few seasons, and some books that appeal to a small niche market. I'm not seeing the big bucks in any of that.
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I don't know really. Just talking things out mostly. But you don't really need BIG bucks. I don't think the fee for using the PGF is really all that much, all things considered. But it is enough to keep the original under wraps and keep mum about a thing or two. P and G couldn't have dreamed their film would last as long as it did or make as much as it had but they went and made it anyways.

Money might not even be the motivation for the Ketchum thing. I just see it as a possible motivator. Reinforcement of beliefs could be enough.
 
Well you might be right on the non monetary motives. The PGF made a good bit but no one is going to pay for video these days or to see a body, both hoaxes done in the past.It doesn't leave a lot of options for making a living via bigfoot unless someone got a research grant as a result of the study. The only way that would happen is if it actually turned out to be something. Even then you have to account for every dime of that money, it's not like you can put it in the bank and just go on an extended camping trip supposedly looking for bigfoot.
 
Keep this in mind also. That is why some sort of skeleton or body piece to confirm a source might be a good idea. At some point you know it will be attempted.
 
It looks like it would only work if you have blood samples. It would be hard to try to create an uncatalogued creature without understanding what it was you wanted to create a DNA profile for at this point...
 
Y'all, I saw this post from OS on the public BFF:

Posted Yesterday, 10:51 PM
The senior editor of Nature, Henry Gee contacted Robert Lindsay a few months ago for reasons that I don't fully understand. My guess is Dr. Ketchum's paper could be with Nature at the moment.

I'm beginning to suspect OS as RL's sock puppet. It all becomes clear now, the irrational logic, the syntax....
 
Ah, now it all makes sense.
Definitely someone very close to the project or close to Ketchum.
I wasn't joking when I asked if OS was Ketchum's son or daughter.
 
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Y'all, I saw this post from OS on the public BFF:

Posted Yesterday, 10:51 PM
The senior editor of Nature, Henry Gee contacted Robert Lindsay a few months ago for reasons that I don't fully understand. My guess is Dr. Ketchum's paper could be with Nature at the moment.

I'm beginning to suspect OS as RL's sock puppet. It all becomes clear now, the irrational logic, the syntax....
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...and zealously promoting Paulides and Ketchum...hmm, works:rolleyes: ?
Interesting.

ETA: Oops, you beat me to it GT/CS!
 
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Work it OS, work it....personally I would be horrified if someone confused me with RL but it makes for interesting conversation if it is you we are talking about. :)
 
relic Hominoid/ or hominid definition?

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just so i can stay out ahead of the coming tidal wave. can anyone here give me a specific definition of "relic Hominoid or hominid? I'm getting rumblings that we will be seeing that term alot, so i need someone here to give me the actual definition, so we will all be talking about the same thing!

Not only what it is, but how is it determined? DNA? Physical Characteristics?

CWB
 
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For what is its worth, costume fur is yak fur. So that is going to make the DNA come back as being from no known primate.
 
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