Bigfoot DNA

[Jodie]

That 37% number means absolutely nothing in this context. Is that 37% of the bases the same? of what section of the DNA? through what methodology. none of this means anything.
as for chosen for sequencing. I get my sequences done from 3 - 8 bucks a sample - depending on what i am looking at. why would you "select" 3, why not run everything you have? BTW - who "chose" the 3? from how many total? selection criteria?

i'm not familiar with or recalling Justin? is he the guy who shot it? Man would I love to wire up his brain and watch it fire up when he tells the story!

CWB

Yes, Justin is the guy who supposedly shot the bigfoot. As I said, what he said made no sense. What little he did tell me was that Melba did a basic screen to see what tested human versus animal. Justin called it a black and white test.

She chose the human sequences to test with the technique she supposedly developed. She sent those out for verification but they used human primers. The first time they were sent out it came back a mess, the second time they used her technique. I assume that was some kind of primers she developed, that's what Stubstad said.

She was told that she needed to sequence the entire genome, I'm not sure if that was just mtDNA. I don't know who told her to do that but based on those instructions she chose three of the samples for sequencing. That's all I was told, I didn't get anymore specifics than that. One of those samples was supposedly from this hunk that Justin found after he went back to look for the bodies.

 

[GT/CS]

first you would have to prove what it is, second you would have to prove he's not lying about shooting it. this whole "afraid of being prosecuted" is another convienient dodge for these "truthbenders" intent on gaming the system!

first he was afraid to report it because he was afraid of it being "human" now we see the hair - what do you think? If you saw that hair covering the body, would you believe it was human?

Proving what it is shouldn't be difficult, unless the sample disappears with the test results.

What do I think? I think he knows exactly what he shot and it had 4 legs. He certainly didn't shoot a fur covered biped.
If he shot anything but what he had a permit to hunt he's in a heap of trouble.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Alright - this is a retard test: This piece of hide with hair is being called a steak? I you swallow this much then you failed the retard test.

Next is the hunter test. It is true that you can find blood and hair at the spot you shot your animal. You're going to hear the bullet go "thwack" on the body if you're reasonably close and it is a decent-sized round instead of a toy gun like a .22, but if not you look for blood and hair. But it won't be some big chunk of skin.

From what little I can discern from this manure pile, they're claiming this "steak" was found. So I guess bigfoot took a knife and skinned a good portion of himself, leaving it there for them to find.

I'd want to see it and feel it because a hide that has not been salted just rots. If you salt it, the hide gets really hard but it is preserved until you decide to tan it. If you are tanning it yourself you can use like an alum recipe, which is what I use, but you still have a lot of work to do fleshing, staking, and tumbling. Otherwise it is hard and has patches of fat or meat on it instead of being pliable leather.

I have a couple of bear hides I have not gotten around to having tanned, and if you cut a piece off of 'em it won't lie flat on a table like this piece of fur appears to be doing. Hard to say, but the way to tell is just by picking it up. If it is soft and pliable then it is tanned fur and these guys are so stupid about hoaxing they don't even know the difference between tanned fur, salted fur, and raw hide cut off a dead animal.

Without salting, the hair will slip right off the fur. You have to salt your hide immediately or else you've lost the hair. You can't do a tan with the hair on if you did not thoroughly salt it right away. The boys at the tanning shop are going to give you the third degree about salting when you come in there if you asked for a hair-on tan. Because they want you to know that if you screwed up you'll have big patches of hairless hide, and they'' just show you by pressing on the hair - it will slip easily right off the hide.

So forget about getting to a DNA test - these boys need a thorough story about how the hide was handled, preserved, and tanned before you even get that far.

 

[DennyT]

There are three parts to this story:
a. do you believe the original story of shooting two bigfoots?
b. do you believe the story of coming back two weeks later and finding the steak in the vicinity?
c. do you believe the story about the DNA results?

I don't understand why anyone would take seriously item c, his report of the DNA results, and try to make sense of anything he said, after hearing a and b. I mean he could have said 95 or 39 or 48 or u make up a number.

I continue to be struck by the degree to which people believe this guy's absurd story simply because of his personal demeanor. That to me is the earmark of a con man.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

b. do you believe the story of coming back two weeks later and finding the steak in the vicinity?

Oh Jesus H. Christ. In two weeks that hide would be a rotten, stinking, rancid gooey mess. You have to get your salt on the hide immediately.


But I believe the story and have sent him my Fidelity Blue Chip Growth Fund as a gesture of support.

 

[Jodie]

When a few of us checked weather reports in the area Justin said this occurred, there were no snow or ice storms that might have preserved the body until a day or two after the date given for when they went back to look for the remains. Unless there was snow on the mountain and not on the lower elevations, I never saw that mentioned in what was found when researching the old weather reports. Supposedly this sample was dug up out of snow.

The first description given was of a two pound sample of greasy/fat tissue with skin and fur attached which was wrapped up and kept in Justin's freezer. Then it changed to just a small strip of skin with fur attached that was being kept in a safe place. At one point later on, it was described as hide like. The last I heard, we have bloody boots from the scene that are tucked away somewhere.

 

[calwaterbear]

Bigfoot is copraphagic, and capable of vaporizing himself!

...The first description given was of a two pound sample of greasy/fat tissue with skin and fur attached which was wrapped up and kept in Justin's freezer. Then it changed to just a small strip of skin with fur attached that was being kept in a safe place. At one point later on, it was described as hide like. ....

See here is good solid evidence! not only does it explain this sample, it also reveals why we can't seem to find a body. Clearly the Bigfoot flesh magically vaporizes and exits the area, even having the capabilities to excape from a freezer. So if the flesh alone can do that, of course we can't find the body, or photograph them.

I'm sure they are also copraphagic, thats why we can't find scat! in fact, that is where their magic proerties come from, they eat their own poop. some animals do that a various times to reintroduce gut flora, or reprocess stuff, but clearly, this is where the bigfoots abilities to hide from cameras and bodies never to be found etc come from! At last - the unifying theory of the magicalness of bigfoot, with a clear biological explanation.

They are copraphagic, and their poop infuses them with mystical powers!

How much you wanna bet this shows up on some woo website as a real fact!

So now we have the real flesh, officially ided as bigfoot by comparison to a known sample, and an explanation of their "mystical / magical" prowess!

Case closed, can we change this thread over to the hunt for the new Jersey flying man monster, or something like that - more challenging?

 

[LuvGodzilla]

I'd want to see it and feel it because a hide that has not been salted just rots. If you salt it, the hide gets really hard but it is preserved until you decide to tan it. If you are tanning it yourself you can use like an alum recipe, which is what I use, but you still have a lot of work to do fleshing, staking, and tumbling. Otherwise it is hard and has patches of fat or meat on it instead of being pliable leather.

Without salting, the hair will slip right off the fur. You have to salt your hide immediately or else you've lost the hair. You can't do a tan with the hair on if you did not thoroughly salt it right away. The boys at the tanning shop are going to give you the third degree about salting when you come in there if you asked for a hair-on tan. Because they want you to know that if you screwed up you'll have big patches of hairless hide, and they'' just show you by pressing on the hair - it will slip easily right off the hide.

So forget about getting to a DNA test - these boys need a thorough story about how the hide was handled, preserved, and tanned before you even get that far.

Thanks for the interesting lesson. Recently while visiting the Grand Canyon we did a little off pavement exploring and found this hide which I assume is Coyote based on size and color. I'm providing the links to the full size photos for a comparison to the supposed Smedja sample. Was this a different method than described above?

Pic 1
Pic 2

 

[clayflingythingy]

I haven't lurked the BFF for a while.....are ANY bleevers still holding out hope for the Ketchum DNA paper? I would think by now even the dullest bleevers would have caught on that there is not, nor will there ever be, an Bigfoot DNA paper.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Thanks for the interesting lesson. Recently while visiting the Grand Canyon we did a little off pavement exploring and found this hide which I assume is Coyote based on size and color. I'm providing the links to the full size photos for a comparison to the supposed Smedja sample. Was this a different method than described above?

Pic 1
Pic 2

How interesting. See how instead of lying flat and supple, it is bunched up, and the edges are curled? If you touched it, you'll remember it was hard. If it wasn't there long, in the folds where moisture is retained or where it was fur-up it won't be as hard. This hide was not staked, stretched, tanned, or tumbled. It looks like it was carefully skinned so that's strange someone would take the time to do so and then abandon it.

It has the look of having been salted, but I don't know arid conditions. I've only shot game in more moist environments than the Grand Canyon. So maybe it is possible to dry out like that without salt. Most guys including me pour the salt on big time. Way too much is just about the right amount. It's cheap and the only mistake you can make is not using enough. Rub it in too. In that case you'll see the extra salt that didn't absorb into the hide. When you are short on salt, apply thinly but evenly and rub it in - it'll all be absorbed.

The big bolt through it - WTF?

 

[Jodie]

I was wondering about the bolt too. The whole thing looks weird to me, who eats coyote anyway? Wouldn't the purpose of killing it be to get the hide? Maybe it was a pest or something.

 

[LuvGodzilla]

How interesting. See how instead of lying flat and supple, it is bunched up, and the edges are curled? If you touched it, you'll remember it was hard. If it wasn't there long, in the folds where moisture is retained or where it was fur-up it won't be as hard. This hide was not staked, stretched, tanned, or tumbled. It looks like it was carefully skinned so that's strange someone would take the time to do so and then abandon it.

It has the look of having been salted, but I don't know arid conditions. I've only shot game in more moist environments than the Grand Canyon. So maybe it is possible to dry out like that without salt. Most guys including me pour the salt on big time. Way too much is just about the right amount. It's cheap and the only mistake you can make is not using enough. Rub it in too. In that case you'll see the extra salt that didn't absorb into the hide. When you are short on salt, apply thinly but evenly and rub it in - it'll all be absorbed.

The big bolt through it - WTF?

No clue about the bolt, it was odd. Love finds like these though.

There were no clues that it had been processed on site. The way the hide was curled over the branch was interesting, not staked out or tied as you mentioned. You can see the hair is sloughing or has been pulled/fell off (?) by scavengers. It was dry as far as I could tell - no smell. I didn't touch it, should have but my two dogs would be all over me the rest of the day as coyotes are their nemesis.

As to the hair sample being put out there as a piece of the supposed Bigfoot shot by Smedja I can see how Dr. Meldrum would say Coyote, looks pretty similar to the mystery pelt colors I photographed in AZ.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

No clue about the bolt, it was odd. Love finds like these though.

There were no clues that it had been processed on site. The way the hide was curled over the branch was interesting, not staked out or tied as you mentioned. You can see the hair is sloughing or has been pulled/fell off (?) by scavengers. It was dry as far as I could tell - no smell. I didn't touch it, should have but my two dogs would be all over me the rest of the day as coyotes are their nemesis.

As to the hair sample being put out there as a piece of the supposed Bigfoot shot by Smedja I can see how Dr. Meldrum would say Coyote, looks pretty similar to the mystery pelt colors I photographed in AZ.

Ya - "staking" is a deceptive term maybe, a little different from what it sounds. You have a "staking board" sticking upright and you drape the skin over it, grab ahold of the ends of the skin and push down hard to stretch it every which-way to kind of break up the fibers; loosen things up a bit before you put it on a stretching/drying frame. I have both adjustable wooden and metal frames made for different animals. It's the last thing you do before tanning.

If the hair is coming off easy then that's the tell-tale sign they didn't salt it. A shame to ruin a hide after doing the work to skin it. You have to know what you are doing in two key places, one being the paws and the other being from the top of the head down the rest of the skull.

A little difficult with that Smedja hide to guess. My first inclination was bear but there isn't anything to give perspective and not a real close-up so I wouldn't want to bet one thing or another, except that their story is total B.S. from having worked with animal hides so many years.

 

[Castro]

Hi Castro

I was not following this closely enough to say, but Peter did not taint himself in ways she has appeared to. Peter listened to stories and sallied forth to look for the critter where people said it was. And golly gee whiz he never found one, but he's sure willing to keep looking for cash.

He did claim to have found footprints, and he did smuggle a piece of a hand out of Tibet, but he didn't risk his reputation by saying it definitely was a hand, and he had incredible style by having actor Jimmy Stewart do the smuggling.

She's concealing where she got it, which although is not something I indicated important - it definitely is. Peter very loudly provided chain of custody from the Monestary to him to Stewart, and then to some scientists who examined it.

I'm happy to be corrected because I don't know this case so well, but I think the location and the supplier of the photo have been concealed. One of the other interesting "reveals" is that if a game cam took a shot that close then there should be footprints corroborating the story.

I have what I call "indicator sticks" out on the trails and the reason I put them there is to better determine when whatever it was passed by. I have two set right now. I don't need a picture because I can see the prints. I'm pretty good about determining how old they are but there's nothing like knowing exactly when you put the indicator stick across the trail to establish the oldest time the tracks can be, and if you did it after they already bedded down for the night then you know it was that morning.

Hi ABP,

Here is how I see it.
As bigfoot doesn't exist, bigfootery needs hoaxes to survive.
Problem : - bigfooters hate hoaxers.
Solution: - be the messenger, not the one who write messages. If things turn bad, say :"don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger!"
Examples: - Peter Byrne was the messenger, he was not the one who killed the beast and cut its hand, and, as you said, Jimmy Stewart did the smuggling.
- Melissa Hovey was the messenger, anonymous took the picture.
- Biscardi said he was the messenger and the Georgia boys were the hoaxers.

I oversimplified it (the amount of dishonesty in these three cases is certainly not the same) but, roughly, it's what I think.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Yeah Castro we are in agreement on the central principle. Some are better players than others, for sure.

 

[The Shrike]

Hi ABP,
. . . and, as you said, Jimmy Stewart did the smuggling.

Jimmy was just an accomplice. The hand was smuggled from Calcutta to London in Gloria Stewart's lingerie case. (This was back in the days when a lady's unmentionables were not to be manhandled by airport security.)

Also, in answer to another question posted above: Yes, the BFF still has several folks every bit as firmly behind TheMelba today as they were last summer when the story broke. The "Ketchum Thread" there is going strong at I think 200 pages. . .

 

[LTC8K6]

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/06/we-cant-decide-whose-story-sounds-more.html

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Jimmy was just an accomplice. The hand was smuggled from Calcutta to London in Gloria Stewart's lingerie case. .

So you are saying bigfoot had his hand down Gloria Stewart's panties.

 

[Jodie]

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/06/we-cant-decide-whose-story-sounds-more.html

I listened to about an hour of the show. The guy is a good bit younger than my Dad but there were a lot of parallels in that Dad worked as an aerospace engineer at Redstone Arsenal with some type of security clearance back when the Gemini and Apollo missions were still going on. My mother grew up a couple of counties over from where he grew up North Alabama in Winston County. However, the bigfoot stories I got were from Dad's side of the family.

I don't recall Dad ever connecting anything from work into his belief in bigfoot. Then again Dad wasn't interested in hunting bigfoot and didn't work with infrasound that I know about. I'll listen to the rest of the podcast later to see where it comes in that the government supposedly has knowledge of bigfoot. If there was a connection, I believe Dad would have mentioned it after he retired.

 

[Deacondark]

will the last guy here turn out the lights please
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/06/robert-lindsay-photo-of-bigfoot-steak.html?spref=fb

Robert Lindsey posts a photo of the "sierra Steak (which looks like a leftove part of a coyote hide in winter coat to me - but what do I know?) He also also says it's ID is confirmed by DNA!
So now we apparently have some sort of known voucher specimen we have DNA from to compare it to the sierra steak. how come nobody told me about this!
This explains Melba pulling her facebook - obviously her job is done!

Congratulations Melba!

Something about that doesn't quite look like real hair to me. Look at the upper left corner, the way several hairs are pressed into the same shape together. To me this looks like a peice of Dynel.