Bigfoot DNA

[tsig]

Finally getting this thread on track. By the way, where are those photos of Peter Byrne's assistant?



I think you called this correctly some time ago, and is the best working hypothesis. It would be suicidal to submit tissue from a guinea pig with a detailed story of seeing a bigfoot.

That proposition is like saying 'footers will submit up-close, clear, steady high-definition videos of their buddies in gorilla suits instead of what they actually do. The entire point is to submit evidence that can't be used to falsify their claim. "Bigfoot is human with slight genetic variation" is the game now.

Bigfoot seems to be evolving rapidly.

 

[DennyT]

^yes, quite. I imagine the Bigfoot tracks will soon start to shrink.

The footers wonder how Sykes can promise that he will have his paper published in a particular time frame. There are a couple of factors in play there, but I will just mention one: It is not uncommon for journals to invite papers from recognized experts. Ahem.

 

[AttorneyTom]

Gosh, I wonder who they might invite for this review ?

 

[DennyT]

Deborah Wolman was her name-o. Trim indeed.Can you pick her out?
[qimg]http://i45.tinypic.com/21bqjr6.jpg[/qimg]
Now, just because I called him Petey, don't be thinkin any unclean thoughts. But I always check out what people in photos are doing with their hands.

According to Cryptomundo, TheTrim was Peter's 'personal assistant.' Please, no "Debbie Does [add your own city]" jokes.

She answered the phone (they had an 800 number) and often got 5 crank calls a day. I just bet she did. Some from ole Petey. "What are you wearing....?"

Pink guy was just an "assistant." The bearded guy is now a prof at Whatsamatta Canisius U, in "animal behavior" (hey, are they studying frat boys now??), and the elf is a Frenchman who wrote the only French book on le Sas.
Loren, well, he runs a "International" House of Pancakes museum full of fantasies of non-existent animals, in an alley, somewhere back east. Rumor has it that people pay to enter the place, but I have my doubts that anyone is that stupid. I could be wrong. I'm wrong.

 

[AttorneyTom]

I am guessing that Debbie is probably a pretty good tennis player !

 

[DennyT]

^in those days, Petey was all "love-40...."

At the RHI, Meldrum makes the announcement of the Sykes project and neither he nor Sykes mentions Ketchum. He says only that

" The “Oxford –Lausanne Collateral
Hominid Project” is a welcome development."

he could have written "change" "breath of fresh air" etc instead of "development". We catch your drift, Jeff: you're not thrilled with TheMelba's project.


Meldrum also confirms that the famous Yeti hair was from bears, and that he was not aware of this fact.

Sykes also analyzed hair samples from
Bhutan attributed to the Yeti, which seemed to
defy DNA identification. Interestingly, during
our conversation I learned that further efforts
were subsequently successful in determining
that the hair originated from bear.

It is somewhat completely utterly astonishingly amazing to me that Meldrum did not know this. WTAF???

 

[AttorneyTom]

and of course, yardjarts, bowler, and frisbee player.

I forgot horseshoes also....

 

[DennyT]

^night baseball.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Wow Parn, excellent work. I must have missed that if you posted it earlier.

So Byrne was 66 years old then, which makes the assistant in the 40-years younger class, in my estimation. Good lord that is approaching a Hugh Heffner clocking. He's bested me, but it ain't over yet, on account of the fact I'd have to bag a 13 year old to turn in that kind of margin. I think it only fair to wait until we're out of the statutory range.

My understanding is he had a house for this project, so 'ole Petey the fox had a kind of bigfoot cunning his competition could only dream about. Kudos, Mr. Byrne.

 

[AttorneyTom]

and also.. Badmitten !...

I love Badmitten !!

 

[RayG]

Ray, i really don't think I can, professional courtesies. I have no difficulty in telling you what he says, I do not however feel empowered to release his email to the public, that would have to be his call.

No need for you to release information from an email, but it might be interesting to see what he's said about it. I thought maybe you had some 'facts' to share about his test results of the Bhutan hairs.

He's not hard to find, have you tried contacting him directly?

No, though in trying to separate fact from fiction, I have exchanged emails with Dr.Chris.Jeynes concerning PIXE testing, Professor Frank Poirier regarding hair analysis he was involved with, and Dr. Jeff Meldrum about the Skookum cast.

But it would be really simple to track down. Anyone could walk into Oxfords library, pull the thesis in question off the shelf and read it/ copy it. or It could also be obtained from Interlibrary loan.

I thought it might be simple for you to give us some sort of conclusion without anyone having to travel to Oxford or visit their local library. I generally do my searching via Google, or find things in one of the many bigfoot books in my collection.

You are right, it happens alot, mostly because the believers don't want to know, and many of the non belivers would rather bitch and philosophize and listen to themselves talk, instead of doing a bit of leg work.

While I don't mind digging for info myself, and have done so in the past, I thought you may have some knowledge you could share. My bad.

RayG

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Badkitten is the version for the Pacific Northwest.

I think what you are going to find Parn is that Merldumb "becomes aware" of something when he finds it useful. So he isn't aware yet that 98.4% of the bigfoot tracks in existence have no mid-tarsal break.

But if he needs to exclude any other sample from competing with whatever he is doing, then he "becomes aware" of a falsification. Prior to jumping on the DNA bandwagon himself, there isn't a need to "become aware" of the Yeti hair being bear. I'll bet he's used it in the past to support existence of bigfoot.

 

[AttorneyTom]

Well.. I would surely hope so !!

 

[Jodie]

Parn you are right about this stuff, however there are some things in this study and process that can counteract some of the Ketchum BS. None of that matters to them of course, because we are all in the business of threatening her etc.

But first of all mDNA vrs nDNA. So you do the mDNA first, if it comes up possum - you are done with the sample. not BF, not human.

however, if it comes up unknown, then you go after the nDNA from the same sample. There is at least one gene in my opinion that even if BF were "human" the gene would have to be different. So if you actually has a sample come up "human" you could look at that specific gene. It controls for long hair , and is inactive in modern humans, but active in all other mammals. so essentially, if your human gene had the active form, you could argue that BF are in fact human, but if the gene is the inactive form, then you have a hairless human, no different than any other human, except his buddies call him bigfoot!
so essentially, If you want all of the stories over the past 8K years to be true, no matter what your other genes say, you need that long coarse hair badboy to keep you bigfoot, otherwise, you are nothing but a lowly human (or a contaminated sample)

I know just enough about genetics to follow what you are saying. Where does hypertrichosis fit in? Is it related to this specific gene you are talking about or is it a mutation of a different gene or set of genes?

 

[Jodie]

See, here is a bleever expressing the bleever's "out" on Sykes' project. 'All he has is mtDNA?'

Parn, I was just asking a question about what you can do with hair samples these days, things change rapidly, but if that's what you want to think have at it. It is just more evidence of the cynical mindset that precludes critical thinking by leaping to the assumption, I see.

And not to mention that we have discussed Melba's study before, you know my views are almost the same as yours on what results you can expect from it and what the general reaction will be from the BF community. I used to attribute Stubstad's analysis to misinterpretation but as this drags on, I'm beginning to lean more towards the "modern human" spin for bigfoot as an out.

 

[AttorneyTom]

I also forgot to add Ping Pong ?! It is quite nice to see you two reconcile and come to agreements. I am sure it makes the moderator happy ?

Much better than earlier.

 

[Jodie]

I wouldn't exactly call it reconciliation, I just like to mess with Parn.

Speaking of moderators, I didn't think JREF had any.

 

[DennyT]

Wow Parn, excellent work. I must have missed that if you posted it earlier.

So Byrne was 66 years old then, which makes the assistant in the 40-years younger class, in my estimation. Good lord that is approaching a Hugh Heffner clocking. He's bested me, but it ain't over yet, on account of the fact I'd have to bag a 13 year old to turn in that kind of margin. I think it only fair to wait until we're out of the statutory range.

My understanding is he had a house for this project, so 'ole Petey the fox had a kind of bigfoot cunning his competition could only dream about. Kudos, Mr. Byrne.

I wouldn't have done it for anyone but you, as I know how you appreciate the lechery age discrepancy thing. Just be careful what sites you visit and what you store on your computer.
Nothing wrong with that.

According to Al DeAtley, Roger Patterson set the standard for what one might actually do, after telling ones wife he's going 'squatching." Ole Petey was just trying to follow the proud tradition. Listen to the greatness of Slim Harpo here.

"...get to it."

p.

 

[RayG]

Speaking of moderators, I didn't think JREF had any.

That's because you've been listening to the negative comments over on the BFF. There are rules and regulations here at the JREF, and yes, mods too.

Oh, and we have more freedom of speech over here. Just about any topic is fair game.

RayG

 

[DennyT]

I wouldn't exactly call it reconciliation, I just like to mess with Parn.

Speaking of moderators, I didn't think JREF had any.

Ask Bill Munns.