Bigfoot DNA

[TheJackal]

Is this the same Arla Williams at this link: http://womenoftheredshawl.com/bios.php

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I don't have the skills to deal with this. It's so far out there.

A knee-jerk reaction is to make fun of something we don't understand. But I feel cautious, wanting to watch from a safe distance. I think maybe the shawls carry mushrooms inside?

 

[BravesFan]

I don't have the skills to deal with this. It's so far out there.

A knee-jerk reaction is to make fun of something we don't understand. But I feel cautious, wanting to watch from a safe distance. I think maybe the shawls carry mushrooms inside?

Yeah, lol, I looked at that page and was overcome with a bad case of the giggles

 

[TheJackal]

Like I keep saying over and over, just when I think this whole thing can't get any better, the bar continues to get raised. I too am frankly at a loss for words to describe this latest development. It is seriously like watching a freight train barrel down on a truck stalled on the tracks. You don't want to watch, but you can't help yourself.

 

[The Shrike]

Looks like a bunch of New Age, wisdom-of-the-ancients bullcrap to me. I never find this stuff funny, I find it disturbing.

 

[BravesFan]

I find it funny, as long as they aren't my Doctor , Accountant or Lawyer.... they can believe in whatever goofy malarky they choose, and I will laugh at them and share their website with friends

 

[Drewbot]

Is the Ketchum conciously affiliating herself with THAT? Holy bat-poop this is going to end worse for the footers than I had initially anticipated.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Did you catch how the guy who led the conference spoke against protected status? The spotted owl was used as an example where protected status led to economic devastation in logging-dependent communities.

The guy has a point - politically it is unwise to raise the specter of a mythical animal bringing about land use restrictions. Now you aren't just crazy and fun. You're maliciously crazy. Because "protection" doesn't mean anything without prohibitions. So what are they going to prohibit?

For example: No logging within 1.5 miles of any bigfoot sighting. Same as spotted owl nests. Can you imagine? They have to do this in a way that brings them favor without angering any constituency that can really make them look bad. Go ahead and take on Wayerhauser.


Yea Jackal I feel the same way. The bar keeps going higher! The new-age stuff - I just can't deal with it. So fricking goofy, how do you even start with them? The lights are on and nobody's home. Riding a different magnetic field.

You can't make this stuff up! We have no bigfoot DNA paper, but we got the Women of the Shawl running Ketchum's Bigfoot protection program.

 

[Deacondark]

Looks like a bunch of New Age, wisdom-of-the-ancients bullcrap to me. I never find this stuff funny, I find it disturbing.

I find it insulting to my Native American heritage, being part Blackfoot myself. Why do these people always try to claim that Native Americans "have seen bigfoot for hundreds of years" ?? It's a load of crap. In all the teachings I've learned and read, I've never heard one bigfoot story. Not one.

 

[DennyT]

I agree. My heritage is farther back than yours. It's unquestionably racist. Not much different from citing african americans as experts on watermelon. Except worse. Because watermelons are real, and bigfoot is just a folk tale, and they try to blame it on tribal peoples.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I'm claiming heritage since abiogenesis. I do have Seneca in me, come to think of it too. But that was long after the universal common ancestor. She has offended my heritage of over three billion years.

The hijacking of native culture - yeah. What kind of scruples are these. Some even do it themselves. The Mayor of Hydaburg did it for a Finding Bigfoot show. A little tourist promotion gambit.

 

[GT/CS]

I think it's more ignorance than intentional racism because unfortunately some tribes do have bigfoot legends, like the Colvilles in Eastern Washington. In fact, they have a large metal sculpture that advertises that belief.

 

[AttorneyTom]

I think it's more ignorance than intentional racism because unfortunately some tribes do have bigfoot legends, like the Colvilles in Eastern Washington. In fact, they have a large metal sculpture that advertises that belief.

Interesting picture !

 

[Drewbot]

To add to the oncoming confusion, I have found that there is something called a "BIGFOOT GENE"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1913728/

A total of 254 genes spanning long lengths of CNS-rich chromosomes (Bigfoot) dominate this database. Therefore, we made subdatabases: one containing Bigfoot genes and the other containing genes with three to five CNSs (Smallfoot). Bigfoot genes are generally TFs that respond to signals, with their modal CNS positioned 3.1 kb 5′ from the ATG. Smallfoot genes encode components of signal transduction machinery, the cytoskeleton, or involve transcription.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I think it's more ignorance than intentional racism because unfortunately some tribes do have bigfoot legends, like the Colvilles in Eastern Washington. In fact, they have a large metal sculpture that advertises that belief.

As a rule, when we inspect native legends to see what they really say: it fails.

There are a lot of things wrong with this statue as "evidence" of a native pre-history to bigfoot. Let's ask why it was erected and when:

VIRGIL "SMOKER" MARCHAND SAYS THE IDEA CAME WHILE BRAINSTORMING WITH FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE COLVILLE TRIBAL PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THEY WERE CASTING ABOUT FOR ENHANCEMENTS TO THE COULEE CORRIDOR SCENIC BYWAY. THE SHEET METAL CUTOUT HAS NOT CAUSED ANY CAR WRECKS SINCE IT APPEARED LATE LAST FALL. BUT AS THE ARTIST INTENDED, IT HAS PROVOKED DISCUSSION OF LEGENDS AND SIGHTINGS THAT AREA FAMILIES TENDED TO KEEP QUIET.

MARCHAND: "I'll read you something real quick here. This is a lady from her grandmother. She says, 'The legends of Sasquatch have been with us for many, many years. Yet people have laughed at each of us for repeating any experiences with the creature.'"

So first of all, this is a modern publicity stunt to bring tourists to the scenic byway. It is not a carving unearthed in an excavation of a local native site. We don't look at something created for tourist revenue in 2005 as evidence of a longstanding legend.

http://www.kuow.washington.edu/program.php?id=10674


Instead, you look for source material like the Colville Book of Legends:

http://www.colvilletribes.com/book_of_legends.php

There are 58 legends from the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation inside. This book of legends was produced in March of 2007. Despite the 12-foot tall tourist statue erected by the Planning Commission in 2005, there is no bigfoot in this book of legends two years afterwards.

There is a water monster. There are Coyotees, Chipmunks, Deer, Frogs,Turtles, Skunk, Badger, Wolf, Grizzly Bear, etc. - but no hairy man. Isn't it strange that bigfoot doesn't even make the top 58 legends? That proves the statue is nothing more than what we already know it to be - a modern highway tourist draw.

The best material is going to be found around 1800 when traders from the Hudson Bay Company and other outfits first made contact with them. There will be journal articles about them, pictures of artifacts, cultural habits, and drawings of the people - a number of tribes are involved that were eventually constrained to this reservation. So it's going to be spread out over decades.

Every time, when you inspect closely, the alleged legends backing bigfoot are fraudulent. Sometimes it is just hijacking a "wildman" story that does not fit the description of an 800 lb gorilla man. In this case, re-read the first quote with the revelation that there is no Colville bigfoot legend: people have laughed at each of us for repeating any experiences with the creature

In the post-Yeti/Bigfoot hoaxing world (post-1950's) sure - you hear of sightings everywhere. What did the native tribes of the Colville think of anyone relating such a sighting in their territory? They laughed at them. Because there is no creature either in legend or in real hunting experience.

The statue has a decidedly non-bigfoot face and head. This would be something to look for in any "wildman" story or legend. 'Footers hitched their wagon to the Wallace-type stompers and the PGF costume. More accurately, Roger did the best he could to make the costume match the modern Abominable Snowman myth.

But this one we already proved is a lie, and it isn't the only example. In Hydaburg the Mayor called the show Finding Bigfoot or Moneymaker - whichever it was - to do a show on them. Same thing: using Bigfoot as a business promotion.

So you have both things working against science: unscrupulous 'footers expropriating cultural legends and twisting them to their bigfoot interests; and modern tribes exploiting the modern bigfoot myth - injecting it into their "history" falsely - for money.

Got to be careful about both.

 

[The Shrike]

Yeah it's tough to know what's legitimately part of a cultural heritage and what's been added on and is now believed to be part of that ancient heritage. I met a Sac-and-Fox student on a field trip a few years back, and he was adamant that "his people" had long known about the bigfoots. I don't know if he meant back to their original territory in the Great Lakes Region or if they became bigfoot buddies somewhere in the Midwest on their way to current home in Oklahoma. I realize that entire corridor is pretty squatchy . . .

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Yeah it's tough to know what's legitimately part of a cultural heritage and what's been added on and is now believed to be part of that ancient heritage. I met a Sac-and-Fox student on a field trip a few years back, and he was adamant that "his people" had long known about the bigfoots. I don't know if he meant back to their original territory in the Great Lakes Region or if they became bigfoot buddies somewhere in the Midwest on their way to current home in Oklahoma. I realize that entire corridor is pretty squatchy . . .

After the Europeans took over up here, first there were great plagues wiping out whole villages, their nomadic lives largely ceased, and in our case their languages outlawed, the children sent off to boarding schools, and the priests who were banished to the frontier were the pedophiles and other miscreants - it was a wholesale slaughtering of their traditions, language, and culture.

The whites taught their own propaganda in the schools - such as telling them natives have no concept of property ownership. So therefore we can take it from them without compensation. Funny how every time we did that, they made war on us, and we had to kill so many with the wrong-headed idea it was their land.

That's why you have to go back to the early anthropological publications to see what was going on before their cultures were so thoroughly contaminated by European forces.

 

[DennyT]

I think it's more ignorance than intentional racism because unfortunately some tribes do have bigfoot legends, like the Colvilles in Eastern Washington. In fact, they have a large metal sculpture that advertises that belief.

link

In 2005 the Colville Confederated Tribes erected a 12-foot tall steel Bigfoot statue created by artist Virgil “Smoker” Marchand.

Most Native Americans don't live on the Colville Reservation, and I'm sure that most don't believe in sasquatch. In fact, I'd even bet you that most on the Colville Reservation don't. I'd venture that Native Americans have about the same level of belief in the boogey man that anglos do. If anyone has studies to show that native americans as a group are believers in bigfoot, I'd really like to see it. Until then, I'll assume that bigfoot statues on the Colville res and the one in say, Willow Creek, mean about the same thing: that tourism is rampant, and someone had an idea on how to make some money. Native Americans are not as a group a bunch of superstitious drum beaters trying to bring back the ghost of Sitting Bull or Bigfoot.

Lastly if you look at all closely at the folklore, the descriptions and accounts are all different and don't fit the modern popular bigfoot. Lumping all these folk lore characters together as if NA were one group is racism.

They almost all simply describe human beings who are different than the members of the tribe. Bigger, stronger, faster, whiter, darker, taller, shorter, hairier. David Paulides has it right. They are just telling "war stories" about other humans they have encountered. Just the way we described and treated Native Americans and African Americans until around 1947. Or later in some parts of the country.

 

[GT/CS]

Here are some bigfoot legends from the Colvilles. I won't vouch for any of them because I don't know the author of the book but it is in the public sector, which brings me to my point.
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/biology/fusch.htm

The point I poorly tried to make is that the information regarding Native Americans and bigfoot is in the public sector and when people briefly read the headlines about events like Smoker and his buddies erecting a bigfoot sculpture many of the headline readers get it in their heads that Colville's believe in bigfoot, then they make a quick jump to Native Americans believe in bigfoot.

We, the members of JREF, normally wouldn't make such an ignorant connection but we must remember that in the great wide world of ours we are a bunch of ******* freaks in that most people don't analyze everything they read to such a degree that they lose touch with the point, and sometimes reality.

So, if you want to talk facts, the fact is in general people make quick and uneducated assumptions and those assumptions get spread, embellished, and misinterpreted, until they morph into 'all Native Americans believe in bigfoot and have legends about bigfoot'.

Again, IMO it's not intentional racism it's just ignorance.

 

[AttorneyTom]

Did you catch how the guy who led the conference spoke against protected status? The spotted owl was used as an example where protected status led to economic devastation in logging-dependent communities.

The guy has a point - politically it is unwise to raise the specter of a mythical animal bringing about land use restrictions. Now you aren't just crazy and fun. You're maliciously crazy. Because "protection" doesn't mean anything without prohibitions. So what are they going to prohibit?

For example: No logging within 1.5 miles of any bigfoot sighting. Same as spotted owl nests. Can you imagine? They have to do this in a way that brings them favor without angering any constituency that can really make them look bad. Go ahead and take on Wayerhauser.


Yea Jackal I feel the same way. The bar keeps going higher! The new-age stuff - I just can't deal with it. So fricking goofy, how do you even start with them? The lights are on and nobody's home. Riding a different magnetic field.

You can't make this stuff up! We have no bigfoot DNA paper, but we got the Women of the Shawl running Ketchum's Bigfoot protection program.

That is hilarious ! The term "Pandering" comes to mind ? Incredible...