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I also have to wonder if Actron Manufacturing Company in Ohio is aware that their trademarked term FAZE is also shown as being trade marked by the Foundation for Advanced Zoological Exploration or that Advances for Zoological Exploration that is shown as trademarked isn't registered with the US Patent and Trademark Offices ? I should add the use of the English language on the foundation website is atrocious. Edit: I totally missed the "all rights preserved" at the bottom. Wasn't that used on DeNovo also ? One additional edit: The International Business Companies Act that they site, if I am reading the Bahamian documentation correctly, should be referred to as The International Business Companies Act, 2000.
 
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3) To support advanced research by field researchers outside of the walls of academia
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Gee, I wonder what sort of field researchers these might be?
 
parnassus said:
This may be a good stopping point for me...

Keep the fires burning...I'll see you ladies on down the road.

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Sorry to see that. I came back to see if there was any movement (bowl) on the Ketchum Hokum and surprise, surprise it is a con job of very poor quality.

I've lost my patience with the whole thing and don't like what it does to me when you get the hubris of new people on the forum marketing the same old canards and not the slightest interest in reading the material posted before their arrival. I have a special loathing for people who claim backgrounds in remote outdoors stuff and lend that to 'footery because it is just too personal for me.

But thank you Parnassus for the wonderful work over your tenure here. It would be nice to meet you someday.
 
"those who do not have an open mind"

CWB,

There is no need to keep an open mind on the subject of BF. Absence of evidence does become evidence of absence after a time.

There is evidence early Americans hunted the megafauna. European Americans extripated animals from the east coast to the west coast. Not one dead BF ever. We can state, with certainty, BF does not exist. Like religion, if you look closely, you see a social construct without anything real underlying.
 
calwaterbear said:
of course this is just my opinion, and i'm sure i wil get slammed by the true non believers here, those who do not have an open mind, nor understand the significance of the reality of the scientific method, which can in fact never prove the non existance of bigfoot!
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What fool would try to "prove the non existance of bigfoot", whatever that means? Hopefully that was humor.

There is no evidence whatsoever of a very tall, musclebound, very hairy monkey/ape running around North America, and that's that.

I'd rather hear supporters prove the existence of bigfoot. But I think I've gone deaf, because I can't recall hearing a darn thing in that area.

All we have is a film made by a known huckster 46 years ago, and various, often hilarious, footprints that appear randomly over the years, punctuated by the occasional "next big thing" that always bloodies it's own schnoz in it's inevitable face plant into the cement of reality.
 
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Casey Mullins writes like a 7th grader, and is the editor of the new SEND YOUR BIGFOOT PAPERS HERE journal/foundation thingy?

Seems legit.
 
clayflingythingy said:
"those who do not have an open mind"

CWB,

There is no need to keep an open mind on the subject of BF.
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Well we certainly appreciate an expert in the DNA testing field participating in a DNA testing thread. Absolutely.

But we do not have to remove our brains and create a vacuum that considers only this extremely narrow question about whether this one set of tests was done fraudulently.

All we have to do is look at the abundance of evidence in the customers who were bilked out of their money for straightforward tests requiring nothing more than doing the work you promised, the property transactions including bilking an elderly woman out of payment, the lies - oh geez how many can we count - but for example claiming to start a web page specifically for disseminating information about the DNA research that never once had any information on the DNA research. The lies about how peer review works and embargos, etc. It has been a conveyor belt of lies, not incompetence.

The right question this kind of record motivates is whether there is anything that has been done by her in the last half-decade or so that is actually above-board. A number of us were pointing to this record along with the absurdity of bigfoot to begin with as a demonstration that it was a scam and the only question was how she would be playing it exactly.

Scientists are pretty naiive because they work in a world where people are basically honest. That background is not well suited to understand how the people in 'footery operate. The skills you need there are in understanding how con-men work and how money/notoriety is made in this field.

The scientist can't see beyond laboratory protocol and doesn't "get" that the existence of this fake project is critical to getting money from people like millionaire Wally Hersom, the new "Tom Slick" of 'footery. He's a bigfoot fan, clueless about the science, and loaded.

There's foundation money too, some of which we have exposed here for Dr. Merldumb at Idaho State. These private funding sources don't have any kind of controls like National Science Foundation or University money that actually looks at the quality of your proposal or past work. You are doing "bigfoot research", they have money, so all that is necessary is a fig leaf for cover. All of this is below the public radar.

Publicly there are clanging gongs and sirens going off about the so-called science involved, but that is not where your eyes need to be looking. Follow the money. Apply the science of personality disorders that result in people doing bizarre things for notoriety. That's where your answers are on what she's been up to with this whole DNA hoax.


Hi Shrike thanks.
 
I would like to echo ABP about how great it is having an expert on DNA in our midst.
A big thank you to CWB and your ongoing efforts to educate us on the finer points of the science involved and your well documented criticisms of the Ketchum et al paper.

I would like to add though - that I also agree with ABP when he points out that it is not the science that one needs to look at when determining an intent to defraud.

As a former specialist in fraud investigations - I can tell you that just by the obvious intent to deceive everybody surrounding the origins of the so-called Journal and website, that - in and of itself - satisfies reasonable cause to enter into a criminal investigation by Canadian standards as there is a monetary transaction based on intentionally misleading or fraudulent information.

It appears obvious to me that this whole Ketchum fiasco was a structured fraud with every move designed to keep the money rolling in.
The fact that the US Federal laws regarding white-collar crime are more robust and less forgiving (much to Conrad Black's dismay) leads me to believe that Mr. Hersom would have cause to ask for a criminal investigation unless he was a knowing participant in the fraud or gave carte blanche permission for money to be spent in any manner Ketchum saw fit.
 
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OntarioSquatch said:
It makes for an interesting debate between us bleevers :)
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What debate? She self-published what may be the worst "scientific" paper in the history of science. The only question is to how absurd the Ketchum (DVM) apologetic.
 
Glad to see ABP and Rockinkt again.

Asking forgiveness for my staggering ignorance, I've just realized Wally Hermson is 'the guy' she's really been perpetrating this shamelessness against. Didn't Moneymaker service this guy's account enough way back when? Maybe he's a masochist. I wonder the odds Wally's also getting a 'strange' brand of DNA procedure done when he's in town to drop off those bags of cash to TheMelba. You know, to make up for all the fraud and stuff. Maybe this entire 'TheMelba's Bigfoot DNA Lives' debacle is really just a front so Wally's wife doesn't find out about the misplaced million dollars which would then reveal the 69 separate late-night bag delivery trips to the honeymoon suite at the Super Duper 8™ Motor Hotel in Nacogdoches,Texas.

But seriously, I couldn't give a **** less how much money she bilks from Hermson. He really doesn't have the right to go from high-powered, astute, savvy businessman who's made millions of dollars to innocent victim of fraud. Perpetrated by a lowly ne'er-do-well pet DNA specialist no less. It's a non sequitur. And I mean even if that is the cosmic truth. It almost makes more sense to prosecute him for 'stupidity'. The fact is the drain on his finances isn't about a lying, cheating, conniving female who needs cash - and lawd knows they're everywhere you don't want them to be - it's about his own unbending ego wanting desperately to be 'the guy' who finds Bigfoot whatever the cost. That is, I surely doubt he wants to be 'the guy' who lost a couple million dollars literally chasing a rainbow. ;)
 
From observing bigfoot enthusiasts for a little while now it seems there is almost no gaffe, miscue or mistake that one could make that would make them universally reject one of their chosen carrot danglers. In fact the worst thing that could ever happen to many of them is a specimen being produced; they'd go from being "knowers" to nothing in a heartbeat as the real researchers, biologists, primatologists, etc entered the scene
 
Yes, hence the reason for all of the drama, discrediting, who's zooming who in bigfoot world. Even negative publicity is better than no publicity at all in keeping the myth alive.
 
HarryHenderson said:
Glad to see ABP and Rockinkt again.

Asking forgiveness for my staggering ignorance, I've just realized Wally Hermson is 'the guy' she's really been perpetrating this shamelessness against. Didn't Moneymaker service this guy's account enough way back when? Maybe he's a masochist. I wonder the odds Wally's also getting a 'strange' brand of DNA procedure done when he's in town to drop off those bags of cash to TheMelba. You know, to make up for all the fraud and stuff. Maybe this entire 'TheMelba's Bigfoot DNA Lives' debacle is really just a front so Wally's wife doesn't find out about the misplaced million dollars which would then reveal the 69 separate late-night bag delivery trips to the honeymoon suite at the Super Duper 8™ Motor Hotel in Nacogdoches,Texas.

But seriously, I couldn't give a **** less how much money she bilks from Hermson. He really doesn't have the right to go from high-powered, astute, savvy businessman who's made millions of dollars to innocent victim of fraud. Perpetrated by a lowly ne'er-do-well pet DNA specialist no less. It's a non sequitur. And I mean even if that is the cosmic truth. It almost makes more sense to prosecute him for 'stupidity'. The fact is the drain on his finances isn't about a lying, cheating, conniving female who needs cash - and lawd knows they're everywhere you don't want them to be - it's about his own unbending ego wanting desperately to be 'the guy' who finds Bigfoot whatever the cost. That is, I surely doubt he wants to be 'the guy' who lost a couple million dollars literally chasing a rainbow. ;)
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Reminds me of Tom Slick spending his oil money traipsing around the PNW, back in the day with Green, Dahinden, Titmus, Byrne, etc. And nothing to show for it. After blowing a wad on the Yeti.

Wish someone would bankroll me. The Valley of the Wood Apes is maybe a 3 hour drive from where I now sit. I would demand a bourbon allowance, or forget it.
 
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