Bigfoot Cast Collection Appears On Website

[LTC8K6]

Cripplefoot is such an obvious hoax.

Krantz wasn't even working from original prints, but from copies made by putting casts in dirt.

 

[The Shrike]

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/bossburg.htm
Check this out Shrike

Awesome. There was WAY more to this story than I realized.

So is there a skeptical consensus on these? Is Marx assumed to have perpetrated an elaborate hoax or are we left to conclude that the world's greatest bigfoot hunters couldn't find a cripple in the snow?

 

[Correa Neto]

Giving up when close to the 'foot is quite a common practice among bigfoot "researchers".

 

[GT/CS]

It's most likely in the oath they swear when kneeling in front of the bigfoot altar.

 

[Kilaak Kommander]

That's a fascinating read. Looking back at the 2008 Georgia hoax, it's amazing that Bigfoot can still stir up such a whirlwind of activity. Even if the quality of the hoaxing hasn't improved...

 

[LTC8K6]

Where did the short print come from? I thought the Bossburg tracks were full length prints, one crippeld and one normal. Now I see a guy holding the crippled cast, and a guy holding what looks like a short or half cast, and no full length "normal" cast.

Who the heck in their right mind would think these were real prints, anyway? They look absolutely ridiculous. The short one looks like a Shipton copy.

 

[LTC8K6]

OIC...That's supposed to be a sasquatch hand print. I had forgotten about Marx's handprint handywork.

 

[Drewbot]

Awesome. There was WAY more to this story than I realized.

So is there a skeptical consensus on these? Is Marx assumed to have perpetrated an elaborate hoax or are we left to conclude that the world's greatest bigfoot hunters couldn't find a cripple in the snow?

The funny thing about Bigfooters from the 70's, they called each other, let them know what was going on, then they all show up, get mad, because others are taking the credit, and leave. Titmus got mad at Bossburg and left. Did he really leave? or did he get mad and go hoax the prints? I'm sure one of the footers pulled the hoax on those that were there. It could have been Marx himself.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There is an interesting article on Freeman by the recently deceased Michael Dennett. The article is posted on Bigfoot Encounters and Bobbie Short follows it up with this commentary...

The old "I couldn't do it, so nobody can do it" gambit. Boring.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Doesn't anybody even try with these things? I mean, really, they're all quite flat. Even the Imperial Walkers didn't do that.

 

[The Shrike]

Who the heck in their right mind would think these were real prints, anyway?

The world's foremost primate foot anatomy scholar, that's who.

 

[Correa Neto]

You would not be talking about that "Its giganto! Its giganto!" tale, would you?

I think its fishy. Why? Simple. Its a genus known by teeth and parts of a lower jaw. How the heck can someone know how its feet looked like?

Another thing must be taken in to account- how was the material presented to the expert. What exactly people told the expert about the casts?

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

You would not be talking about that "Its giganto! Its giganto!" tale, would you?

I think its fishy. Why? Simple. Its a genus known by teeth and parts of a lower jaw. How the heck can someone know how its feet looked like?

Another thing must be taken in to account- how was the material presented to the expert. What exactly people told the expert about the casts?

Ah yes, the Skookum cast examination. In one of the recent skeptical books on Bigfoot, Esteban Sarmiento was revealed to be a fence-sitter rather than the converted skeptic that most believer accounts of the exam try to make it out to be.

Similarly, believer accounts of the cripplefoot tracks fail to note that the "tracks" found at the other end of a river (in an enclosed area) were actually scratches on the ground that allegedly resembled the cripplefoot's toes.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/real-bf-7/

The Wallace alderfoot on the left, held in the right hand, looks very interesting with the bulge and the curved toe line. Looks different than others.

 

[Correa Neto]

Ah yes, the Skookum cast examination. In one of the recent skeptical books on Bigfoot, Esteban Sarmiento was revealed to be a fence-sitter rather than the converted skeptic that most believer accounts of the exam try to make it out to be.

Similarly, believer accounts of the cripplefoot tracks fail to note that the "tracks" found at the other end of a river (in an enclosed area) were actually scratches on the ground that allegedly resembled the cripplefoot's toes.

Some time after I posted I noticed I probably was mixing things. But aniway, I don't buy that tale. Actually I think most bigfootery tales are BS. Come to think of it, if one follows bigfootery lore, one might wonder why the top footer scientists never managed to publish a decent paper about bigfoot.

Heck, one of them was from Smithsonian, the other one is attached to an university... Should not be that hard for them to gather support for a decent work on such a groundbreaking issue. Unless, of course, the evidence supporting the claim is nothing but a pile of crap and nothing but blind faith and variable dosis of snake-oil sales keep it alive.
Of course, that would mean skeptics are right...

 

[William Parcher]

Who the heck in their right mind would think these were real prints, anyway? They look absolutely ridiculous.

Bigfoot believers are not in a right mind. The fantasy of Bigfoot steals their rationality and reason. It's like becoming a child all over again.

But then you really can't know if they truly believe that what they are holding are Bigfoot tracks. How can anyone know if Ivan Marx genuinely believed that Bigfoot exists?

 

[William Parcher]

I don't know where else to put this. Melissa posted a new blog entry showing a grizzly bear foot cast. I think the blog may have been written by "Mike" based on her comment - but it isn't clear at all.

Anyway, the cast (or cast replica) shows incredible detail including individual hairs. It is supposed to be a cast from a bear footprint found in Montana.

After getting back home and having the chance to look up the fellow who made the casting I found out some more interesting things about this particular casting. The casting was made in the Bob Marshall Wilderness area on the bank of the North Fork of the Sun River in Montana. This fellow lived in Montana and was an avid hiker. He told me that since he did quite a bit of hiking he always hoped to get a clear, detailed cast of a Grizzly track and started carrying a casting compound during his hikes. As a side note, he also told me that his mother was an art teacher and that she had concocted the powder that he was carrying from several casting materials and he did not know what casting medium she used or what other additives she might have put into the mix, but she told him that her mix was made specifically to capture details. As we can see her mix worked very well.

What is striking to me is the detail that shows up and is faithfully captured in the cast. So much so that I am skeptical. Of what? That it is a footprint found in nature and then cast. It looks more like an impression (cast) made from the actual foot of a bear and then produced to look like a "field cast". Look at the claws. They are complete in 3 dimensions. How lucky is it that the bear (while walking) would insert its claws into the substrate (mud?) and also retract them perfectly leaving precise voids in the substrate that would replicate the claw itself? Wow. Much bigger images are available at the blog.

Is this really a cast taken in situ, or could it be a mold (of sorts) that used an actual bear paw? I'm prepared to say wow no matter what the truth is for this one.

 

[Drewbot]

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/grizzly-bear-bear-paw-print-big-sky-carvers

More paw print stuff

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't know where else to put this. Melissa posted a new blog entry showing a grizzly bear foot cast. I think the blog may have been written by "Mike" based on her comment - but it isn't clear at all.

Anyway, the cast (or cast replica) shows incredible detail including individual hairs. It is supposed to be a cast from a bear footprint found in Montana.



What is striking to me is the detail that shows up and is faithfully captured in the cast. So much so that I am skeptical. Of what? That it is a footprint found in nature and then cast. It looks more like an impression (cast) made from the actual foot of a bear and then produced to look like a "field cast". Look at the claws. They are complete in 3 dimensions. How lucky is it that the bear (while walking) would insert its claws into the substrate (mud?) and also retract them perfectly leaving precise voids in the substrate that would replicate the claw itself? Wow. Much bigger images are available at the blog.

Is this really a cast taken in situ, or could it be a mold (of sorts) that used an actual bear paw? I'm prepared to say wow no matter what the truth is for this one.

Those are done in clay, I believe.

 

[William Parcher]

What do you mean? A wild bear walked through some clay in the wilderness? Or, they wrapped a glob of clay around a bear paw? Or, what is it?