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Wait, no. This is not real. Is it?

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What a relief. It isn't real in a strict sense. It isn't really about Bigfoot. It isn't a Bigfoot research center, right?
 
No, it isn't about Bigfoot as a real creature. This list would have different names if it was about Bigfoot as we know Bigfoot. This is a non-profit center based on personal creativity. Bigfoot is used as an abstract cultural icon.

Greater Boston Bigfoot Research Institute Research Fellows

Amanda McCorkle, Graphic Design
Ali Reid
Megan Dickerson
Max Greenberg
Peter Sherer
Dave Bickham
Fern Ritchie
James Wirth
Jennie Coates
Wanna Camcam
Brad Simpson
Geoff Hackett
John Racek
Mike Dacey
Chris O'Connor
Artex
Other City Builders
Harvard Museum of Natural History
Boston Children's Museum
Loren Coleman
 
Boston.com explains a few things


A peculiar building in Egleston Square will open soon under an equally peculiar name: the Greater Boston Bigfoot Research Institute.

Flanked by ordinary shops, its futuristic front already stands out on Washington Street where Roxbury meets Jamaica Plain. When its tall glass doors open, the sights inside will be stranger still. Sales clerks will hawk paranormal paraphernalia such as unicorn tears, and people dressed as scientists will busy themselves in apparent research at the city's center of cryptozoology, the study of creatures that may not be real.

But things aren't always as they seem.

The "cryptozoologists" will be volunteers in character; the specimens in jars of murky liquids, props. The entire sci-fi scene at 3035 Washington St. will be a facade for an imaginative, hands-on writing center called 826 Boston.
 
Yes I know what the true definition of the word "Woo" means.

Now anyone walking through the woods on a regular basis looking for sasquatch is wooing the possibility of it, and is bound to find something that will fit what they are looking for.

But at the same time, anyone who claims not to believe in sasquatch yet writes everyday about it is also wooing a response from those they want to oppose. In fact, anyone who posts anything on a daily basis is zealously soliciting a response, wooing.

Now you're probably going to tell me some sort of made up definition for what you think it means based on seeing it thrown around as an insult to imply someone prone to appreciating fantasy more than reality, but even then someone who daily makes numerous posts on an internet forum, even arguing against paranormal subjects, is appreciating fantasy more than reality. This is an INTERNET FORUM, not real life, not the real world. It doesn't feed you, it doesn't shelter you, it doesn't give you warmth. It's communication abilities, though quick, are limited in that you aren't truly interacting with a human but their best, or worst, representative expressed with characters on a screen. The arguments in this subject are a complete waste of time, not because of their evidence contents but because they are personal stands in a realm where nobody is really standing. A fantasy.


I'm not so sure that Randi's definition of woo can be found in those dictionaries. It apparently began as "woo woo" which is a satirical stereotype of the vocal expression used by someone who believes paranormal or fantastic things. Knights' scoftic can't be found in the dictionary either.

I disagree about the "nobody is really standing" in the Bigfoot argument. Skeptics remain standing and have never sat down. Bigfooters sit and wait for a discovery or head out and try to create one.

The two sides are not entirely opposite mirror images of each other. Bigfoot skeptics cannot prove that Bigfoot does not exist. Nobody can. Proof of non-existence cannot even be on their agenda. The Bigfooters can prove that Bigfoot exists. Almost anyone could regardless of their belief in Bigfoot. It's something that a person could do and it does appear to be high on the Bigfooter agenda.
 
Oh, here we go. Skeptic's Dictionary on woo-woo.


Woo-woo (or just plain woo) refers to ideas considered irrational or based on extremely flimsy evidence or that appeal to mysterious occult forces or powers.

Here's a dictionary definition of woo-woo:

adj. concerned with emotions, mysticism, or spiritualism; other than rational or scientific; mysterious; new agey. Also n., a person who has mystical or new age beliefs.
When used by skeptics, woo-woo is a derogatory and dismissive term used to refer to beliefs one considers nonsense or to a person who holds such beliefs.

Sometimes woo-woo is used by skeptics as a synonym for pseudoscience, true-believer, or quackery. But mostly the term is used for its emotive content and is an emotive synonym for such terms as nonsense, irrational, nutter, nut, or crazy....
 
So the truck roof is about 6'7". The hairy runner was 6-12" taller than that while in a leaned position. The creature was 7'1"-7'7" tall while leaned. This puts its upright standing height at something like 7'6"-8' tall.

Would it have been something like this Bigfoot shown here messing with a VW Beetle?


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Again I stress that it is hard to say for sure, but yes it appeared as though while running leaned forward that what we saw was approximately 6 inches to a foot taller than the truck. Obviously you would have to give or take some, but that's what it looked like to me.

oh, and cute picture, but again what we saw was shaped like a normal man not overly muscular. Take the physique of a large but not fat man, give him some hair all over and a very short neck. that is how what I saw appeared at least as best as I could see.
 
So basically a tall hairy neckless guy without any unusual musculature.

If a Bigfoot, without tools... he cannot break big trees, bring down deer, hurl big rocks, run super fast, etc.
 
Holy cow, do I disagree with that. That would be basically saying that I am a woo since I talk about Bigfoot stuff a lot but do not believe Bigfoot exists. I'm sure you didn't mean that as a personal dig.

Nobody likes a term that they see applies to them.

I certainly wouldn't call you a woo simply because you entertain the existence of Bigfoot. That would be unfair and dismissive. Tell me you believe in Bigfoot, aliens, and ghosts, and that will be a different story.

Does it really matter? All of these subjects are unproven, prone to hoaxes, and are mostly fan based vs. fact based.

William Parcher said:
I'm not so sure that Randi's definition of woo can be found in those dictionaries. It apparently began as "woo woo" which is a satirical stereotype of the vocal expression used by someone who believes paranormal or fantastic things. Knights' scoftic can't be found in the dictionary either.

So basically it's a word that was made up to serve as an insult to dissenting views and add security to a fantasy internet community.

I disagree about the "nobody is really standing" in the Bigfoot argument. Skeptics remain standing and have never sat down. Bigfooters sit and wait for a discovery or head out and try to create one.

You stand when you type on your computer?

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The two sides are not entirely opposite mirror images of each other. Bigfoot skeptics cannot prove that Bigfoot does not exist. Nobody can. Proof of non-existence cannot even be on their agenda. The Bigfooters can prove that Bigfoot exists. Almost anyone could regardless of their belief in Bigfoot. It's something that a person could do and it does appear to be high on the Bigfooter agenda.
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If I spend a lot of my time discussing psychic mediums, dowsing, Bigfoot, or whatever, it doesn't in any way make me a woo. It makes me interested in those topics. There's no irrational belief system in play. I'm surprised you said that. Was it something I said?

Just like you have different people, you have different people who are skeptical of sasquatch and how they approach the subject. For example, my dad is skeptical of sasquatch, so much that he does scoff at the idea of it. He has the right to. He's spent the majority of his life in the mountains of Washington state as a forest firefighter, Search and Rescue, and forest recovery, as well as an avid hiker and hunter. He's seen bear, cougar, bobcat, elk, deer, fox, etc. but no sign of bigfoot. He did go to a logging camp and make sure everything was locked up for the night, when the next day two people claimed they found tracks in that same area the day my dad was there, when in reality there was nothing there. Events in some of my family's lives have given every indication that at least one major squatch event was a hoax.

My dad wouldn't waste one second of his time on this or any other forum. Why? Because it's a fantasy world, an incredible waste of time. No matter where you stand on any of these subjects, posting day after day about it over and over again is still engaging in the fantasy, no matter how you intend the definition of "Woo" as an immature insult, the fact of the matter is anybody wasting this much time in these subjects is "Wooing" fantasy, inviting it in, inviting responses about it, and engaging in a fantasy community where people do not have to talk face to face but instead write little messages to each other without facing any real consequence.

What else could we be doing right now? I know every time I have ever posted immediately after I realize I could have been doing something much more productive that would actually have some sort of material result. Money, food, clothing, shelter, warmth, a letter to a loved one, instead of endlessly debating a subject that is silly to begin with, yet here we are.
 
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So basically it's a word that was made up to serve as an insult to dissenting views and add security to a fantasy internet community.


Not really. Woos are generally not dissenters per se. They make an original claim to something not supported by the evidence or scientific inquiry. Claiming you were abducted by aliens isn't exactly dissent. The term could be insulting and I do use it sparingly. I tend to use Bigfooter or Bigfoot believer.



You stand when you type on your computer?

C'mon now. You used standing as a figure of speech. Can't I?


What else could we be doing right now? I know every time I have ever posted immediately after I realize I could have been doing something much more productive that would actually have some sort of material result. Money, food, clothing, shelter, warmth, a letter to a loved one, instead of endlessly debating a subject that is silly to begin with, yet here we are.

I think BF skeptics who spend time (1 minute+/year) thinking and writing about Bigfoot are crazy. Please don't anyone report me for that because it is attacking the arguer not the argument.
 
Not really. Woos are generally not dissenters per se. They make an original claim to something not supported by the evidence or scientific inquiry. Claiming you were abducted by aliens isn't exactly dissent. The term could be insulting and I do use it sparingly. I tend to use Bigfooter or Bigfoot believer.

No, "Woo" is used as an insult. The word itself has no basis in reality but was invented and used on fantasy community forums. You even compared it to the word "Scoftic", also an insult. For some reason, people change their tone when faced with the confrontation that both of these words are just made up to replace calling someone "Stupid" and skirt around forum guidelines. But they carry stereotypes and prejudices with them as well. "Scoftics do this" and "Woos do that".

And though you state you use these words sparingly, over the last few weeks I have sporadically been here going through a few threads and each time seen some people stating that any beliefs at all in these fringe subjects makes a "Woo".

You know, it's funny, because I've even heard of someone who seems quite friendly here to my face, or rather in public view, but behind the scenes to others in shared private messages that I cannot be trusted because I allow for the possibility of sasquatch to be real. Kind of weird, really, but there again it comes down to those tribal units of social status I guess.

Though people here like to rely on scientific backing as support for their argument as a given or default position, I've seen very little scientific sources cited or actually used, and in many cases claims just as fantastic and unsupported being made.

C'mon now. You used standing as a figure of speech. Can't I?

You don't make a stand. You are a person who types comments on an internet forum.

I think BF skeptics who spend time (1 minute+/year) thinking and writing about Bigfoot are crazy. Please don't anyone report me for that because it is attacking the arguer not the argument.

Then why do you feel opposed to them also being susceptable to "Woo?" Obviously you don't feel that they are literally crazy, but all we have to do is break out of the "Skeptics vs. Believers" feud and look at the somewhat normal people in our lives who don't really care about what happens at any of these forums or on the internet, and realize what we are doing, all of us, is using an escape mechanism from our day to day realities. This is the very definition of fantasy. To escape into that fantasy, fits the definition of "Woo".

But of course, since "Woo" really is an insult, akin to calling someone "Stupid", then yeah you would be more opposed to having that applied to you or members of your social circle than the word "Crazy".

I do too.
 
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I allow for an admittedly very tiny possibility that sasquatch is or was real. As far as I can remember, that was my position when I first arrived at JREF, and it has not changed.

I believe if that tiny possibility were not there in my mind, I would not discuss the subject as much.

The fact that I am still interested in the subject, and still want to see evidence, and still want to see claimed photos/videos/tracks, etc., means that however tiny the possibility is, it's still there.

Also, there is still a tiny bit of nostalgia for my youthful faith in and fear of bigfoot.
 
Wolftrax, my I ask you a question. If this Bigfoot stuff bothers you so much, why are you posting in the first place?



I Am He
 
You misunderstand, just like everybody who spends any time at all posting anything sasquatch related, I have a lot of interest in it. That's pretty much the point, that despite whatever anyone's stance on it's existence the fact that we invest any time at all into it is what we all have in common.

I am he
as you are he
as you are me
and we are all together
 
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Don't forget that some people aren't here because of Sasquatch, but because of the people, characters, ideas that are affiliated with Sasquatch. If you are a people watcher, it just doesn't get any better than this.
 
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