Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Medic212 and Sugarb,

Thank you for sharing your encounter with us. A friend of mine and fellow researcher from Texas has a very similar sighting in Louisiana. The only difference was that the figure was running on the passenger side of the car as they drove by it. It also never turned and never acknowledged him or his girlfriend at all.

WGBH, hello. I stole my laptop back because while I don't have anything else to add to what I saw, earlier today as David was reading the threads, I was reminded of something that at first I asked him to post, but decided I should probably do it myself, so as to not confuse who is saying what.

This may interest everyone, and I do think it is a reasonable possibility (though I doubt very many would agree...to some it seems the only possibilities are hunters or bears or hallucinations, but I'll throw this in the mix anyway).

The WV thread is what brought this to mind, because as some of you may know, I'm originally a WV gal. Born and raised, still there often. I can stand and look at it across the river.

Anyway, the only relatives I have left close from my mom's family are my grandmother and my great aunt. They are both now in their 80's, though they still get around very well. First of all, neither of them "believe" in "woo" of any sort. Very practical women, and they raised me, so I like to think I take after them. At any rate, I admire them deeply.

They grew up out at East Lynn, in Wayne County, WV. A small cabin (I have a picture of it somewhere), and they raised their own food and my great grandmother (Mamaw) was on the school board and midwifed to support her kids (her husband died young).

As I said, both are in their 80's now, so going back to their childhood takes us back quite a few years. They grew up in poverty (and their ability to get out of that position never ceases to amaze me). Serious poverty, as did what few neighbors they had.

Anyway, how this relates to the topic...our family cemetery now (it's called the Osburne Cemetery, and is probably listed online somewhere I'm pretty sure), is across the road that now exists and up a hill from where their original little cabin stood. We drive out there often, and have to walk up the hill most of the time (the road is steep and washes out quite often...the men left in the family usually work on it a couple of times a year, before reunions).

My grandmother and great aunt talk a lot about their childhood, and one of the things they talk about every time we go out there together is the boy that was "wild". When we cross the creek, they'll point out where he would sometimes be, and when we get to the top of the hill, they'll show us places he could often be seen. They "knew" this boy (who grew into a man), or at least his family, which was poorer than they were, which must have meant they had nothing but crude shelter really. My mamaw took them food, as she did with most of their neighbors (a few miles apart). Those who had back then out there shared what they had, just to try to keep everyone alive.

Anyway, this family's children were severely malnourished (as many out there were at that time). They had one child that my grandmother and aunt describe as "not right". As this child got older, they say that he was, basically, "wild", and eventually everyone gave up trying to "catch" him and take him home, because he just left again and stayed up in the woods or down in the creek.

They talk about how filthy he was, how he was always naked, except for the times someone could "catch" him and take him home to be cleaned up...but it was never long before he was filthy and naked again. They said that he was harmless, but he couldn't talk for whatever reason (they say because he "wasn't right") and while he wouldn't run away as soon as he saw them, he would run away up the hill if they tried to get too close to him.

Now, I know this sounds bizarre, but...I've spent a lot of my life in rural areas. Big cities exist for me to find a way to drive through or around, except for when we're taking a relative to a specialist of some kind. I don't find it too far-fetched, if there was a well known "wild" boy (who eventually grew into a man, nobody knows what happened to him though. They assume he died somewhere in the woods or in one of the old mines...there's an old mine, in fact, that goes under our family cemetery) with a name and a family when they were growing up, it would still be possible today. Particularly in very poor, very rural areas.

To me, this would be a reasonable explanation (though I admit the sizes of reported creatures would kind of nullify that). As reasonable as hunters, and at certain times of the year, MORE reasonable than hunters. The filth they described...well, if it was as bad as they say, I could imagine how caked with grime this boy must have been, and who knows? It's certainly possible, at least in some cases, that there are humans who for whatever reason choose, or just end up, living more like animals and away from "society". As a matter of fact, up in our family cemetery we have found at different times nasty/filthy sleeping bags and other evidence of someone staying up there on and under the small shelter erected for church service. It's kind of weird...it doesn't make me nervous, because obviously a sleeping bag means at least it is a person, and we're never up there after dark anyway...but it's just...eh, strange.

Anyway, I just felt a want to share that. It will probably be dismissed as irrelevant, because most people probably couldn't conceive of anyone living that way...but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Given the sheer population in the US, a few hundred or thousand people like that wouldn't, to me, be surprising at all.
 
Sugarb, That was very interesting.

There are many possible explanations for what you saw. I will certainly not be the one to tell you it was a Bigfoot. Many possibilities have been explored here in this thread. Only you and your husband can ever determine what it was. if that is even possible for you to do.

I can only speak for myself and what I saw. Just because I am sure about what I saw should have no bearing on you. As you can tell by this thread I could be lying, or crazy, or mistaken. But I am not.
 
You asked how much taller what we saw was than the truck. We were driving a standard cab not an extended cab, I don't think there is a height difference if there is it isn't much I don't believe. However about the height it would be hard to judge very accurately as the thing we saw was running with a forward lean and sort of slumped. I would put it at 6 inches to a foot taller than the truck with that posture. Now I am 6' 1 and the truck we were in was probably a good 6 inches taller than me.

So the truck roof is about 6'7". The hairy runner was 6-12" taller than that while in a leaned position. The creature was 7'1"-7'7" tall while leaned. This puts its upright standing height at something like 7'6"-8' tall.

Would it have been something like this Bigfoot shown here messing with a VW Beetle?


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Sorry, but yes, believing in ghosts and aliens makes one woo. You could have fortean addict if you like.

Spending an inordinate amount of time daily talking about these subjects while professing not to believe in them also makes one woo.
 
Sugarb, That was very interesting.

There are many possible explanations for what you saw. I will certainly not be the one to tell you it was a Bigfoot. Many possibilities have been explored here in this thread. Only you and your husband can ever determine what it was. if that is even possible for you to do.

I can only speak for myself and what I saw. Just because I am sure about what I saw should have no bearing on you. As you can tell by this thread I could be lying, or crazy, or mistaken. But I am not.

WGBH, hello. I have seen no reason to think you are being dishonest, or lying, or "crazy". You've been consistent, admitted the physical/emotional effects, and so the only option left is mistaken...and I'm not prepared to say that about you. You see, that is the main reason I find this interesting. I do not think that we are all seeing the same thing. I think there are, as you agree I think, *many* possibilities, and in my honest opinion, I think it is foolish to dismiss all of these sightings with a blanket of hoax or hallucination. I think that because...if strange sounding things or unproven things were always automatically dismissed, we'd still be living on a flat earth with a short life expectancy (but that's just how my mind works on things).

Historically, which seems to be dismissed also, there have been indications and reports, drawings or portrayals, of some pretty out there things. What many "skeptics" seem to do is throw a blanket over all of it, and as in this thread, say "you only say you saw that so you don't think you're crazy". But...I say they tend to dismiss anything they can't understand or that seems impossible or whatever so that *they* don't think *they* are crazy. That works both ways...and people are, historically speaking, afraid of things they don't understand. That explains so many social phenomena it isn't even funny. Racism, religious wars, horrific crimes against homosexuals...the list could go on for who knows how long.

And that's okay. I don't criticize that, because I'm a person also and I can understand that reaction. Remember, I immediately tried to dismiss what we saw! So that...*I wouldn't feel crazy*! I had and have a hard time talking about it...because I feel foolish and because I know others will think I'm crazy which makes me "feel" crazy! The easiest thing to do, really, is to keep one's mouth shut and just wonder about it privately. The cowardly thing to do, yes...I admit to being a coward about certain things...but certainly also the easiest.

But the truth is, it remains a curiosity to me. I, personally, hesitate to use the term "bigfoot", only because I try very hard to be as precise as I can, and as I said, I don't believe that everyone is seeing the same thing. Which makes it even MORE interesting, really, because I personally feel that if we could narrow down the differences in what we are seeing, I see that as being beneficial to better understanding what is going on. I don't think for a moment that I saw what you saw. What I saw could very easily have been any number of things, as we've been discussing here. I'm okay with that...it isn't a huge part of my life at all. As I said, just a curiosity. What you saw, though, was something else entirely and the sheer size alone rules out, in your case, a hunter, pretty much a hoaxer, or even a "wild" man. That makes your sighting much more interesting, and I would feel more comfortable, in your case, using the term "bigfoot".

My husband and I differ there a bit. Our thought processes and the way we communicate individually differ. He's comfortable with the word "bigfoot", whereas I'm really just not. He generalizes a lot (as most people do really) whereas I tend to compartmentalize individual things and examine them bit by bit. It's just a difference in how we think and speak. I used to think that was what people meant by how men and women communicate differently, but after coming here I realize it isn't a gender thing at all. So my mom's psychologist was right about me, I suppose. My life is "lonely" because of how I communicate. I am working on that...but at the same time, I think so many things get lost in this lack of communication, and the focus turns to such irrelevant things...or easily explainable things!

For instance, your physical reaction. I have refrained from commenting, but I will here, as an example of what I am saying. We're still primitive animals in parts of our minds. We have this fight or flight mechanism, yet because of how we've evolved, it at times causes us some problems. Smells? Well, I know that odors can throw me into a panic attack (which for me is very similar, though not identical, to the physical reaction you explained). If I smell, as an example, hot electricity...you know, that odor of a short in wiring or an electrical fire...it throws me into a panic attack. Why, I do not know. It isn't reasonable. It should make me want to do "flight", right? Get away from what could be damaging. But it doesn't. Instead I get shaky at first, then eventually that moves on to rigid and tremoring muscles, and on to more embarrassing aspects of these attacks that I sometimes cannot control. After a full blown panic attack, it would be hard to describe the state immediately following. It's like being dead while alive, I guess. Unable to respond, but the responses are in my mind, my body just won't let them out. Very odd feeling. Quite scary in its own right.

So there are many explanations for physical reactions, and they don't all involve "hallucinating" or "imagining/dreaming/whatever". Some involve, quite simply, the remaining primitive instincts we have and the disconnect between what those instincts would have normally had us do and the ways in which we are more modernly conditioned to think/believe/respond.

I do not think you are lying. I do think, though, that we are seeing different things. What we saw would be much easier to dismiss than what you did, and I think there are many sightings that could be just as easily dismissed. NOT because of "hallucinations", but because of other, simpler explanations. What we saw wasn't huge. That makes it easier to assume hunter or hoaxer, and that's peachy with me. Because it very well could have been either of those things. We didn't, however, mutually hallucinate. There was something there in that road.

And that is all I am really saying here. There was something, this is what it looked like, it scared me, the end. There's no more to elaborate on. Not nearly as interesting as your own, and I find the reaction to the odor exceptionally interesting. But not because I think you're crazy. I do not. I really do not, and I want you to know that.
 
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I don't think it sounds bizarre. I think it sounds very Lovecraftian.

No, no...that would be fantasy, we're talking about reality. Unless you are saying that you do not think there are actual people who live in the wilderness for whatever reason. Which would be...an unusual thing to believe, I would think.
 
Oh I have no doubt that there are people who live in the woods. I'm just saying the people turned feral and subterranean passages beneath graveyards all resonate as strong Lovecraftian imagery.
 
Oh I have no doubt that there are people who live in the woods. I'm just saying the people turned feral and subterranean passages beneath graveyards all resonate as strong Lovecraftian imagery.

LOL, okay, I see what you mean. I don't think he "turned feral", though. From what they described, it sounded to me more that he had some kind of mental illness or possibly a developmental problem. (They don't "buy into" mental illnesses. To them, mental illness is just as whacky as ghosts...)

Subterranean passages, lol. Well, out at East Lynn, the only people who had money back then were the people who owned the coal mines. There are many abandoned mines out that way, and it just so happens that there is an entrance to an old one on the far side of the cemetery, as you go down the hill. They didn't tear the mountains down then, they dug into them. Surprisingly, one of the mining companies out there is trying to get permits now to mine by the lake's dam. Only in WV, I guess. That would put a lot of property at a higher risk of flooding were a problem to arise...but WV is no stranger to floodings due to coal. It's really quite sad. I think, anyway.
 
That makes no sense. Do you not understand what woo means?
believing all things evil stem from one person would be a good example

If I have my universal translator functioning correctly, I think that was a reference to the fallen angel Lucifer, Belezebub, the Daystar, Satan-Sataniel, Teh Devul.

IOW, Christianity = woo.
 
If I have my universal translator functioning correctly, I think that was a reference to the fallen angel Lucifer, Belezebub, the Daystar, Satan-Sataniel, Teh Devul.

IOW, Christianity = woo.

Ah, kitakaze, i think you got it!

okay, who else has seen a bigfoot?

i have not, but have imagined many things out in the woods. :blush:
 
If I have my universal translator functioning correctly, I think that was a reference to the fallen angel Lucifer, Belezebub, the Daystar, Satan-Sataniel, Teh Devul.

IOW, Christianity = woo.

never mind, ya had to be there.....
 
I've never seen Bigfoot, and I'm in Oregon, supposedly "bigfoot country."

My grandfather and his brother supposedly made (a?) plaster cast(s) of a large footprint that are now on display in some tourist trap museum. I realize mentioning this that I should get some more information. I was told the story probably fifteen years ago.
 
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That makes no sense. Do you not understand what woo means?

Yes I know what the true definition of the word "Woo" means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/woo

I personally like this:
2. (tr) to seek after zealously or hopefully


As well as this one:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/WOO
2 : to solicit or entreat especially with importunity

Now anyone walking through the woods on a regular basis looking for sasquatch is wooing the possibility of it, and is bound to find something that will fit what they are looking for.

But at the same time, anyone who claims not to believe in sasquatch yet writes everyday about it is also wooing a response from those they want to oppose. In fact, anyone who posts anything on a daily basis is zealously soliciting a response, wooing.

Now you're probably going to tell me some sort of made up definition for what you think it means based on seeing it thrown around as an insult to imply someone prone to appreciating fantasy more than reality, but even then someone who daily makes numerous posts on an internet forum, even arguing against paranormal subjects, is appreciating fantasy more than reality. This is an INTERNET FORUM, not real life, not the real world. It doesn't feed you, it doesn't shelter you, it doesn't give you warmth. It's communication abilities, though quick, are limited in that you aren't truly interacting with a human but their best, or worst, representative expressed with characters on a screen. The arguments in this subject are a complete waste of time, not because of their evidence contents but because they are personal stands in a realm where nobody is really standing. A fantasy.
 
Spending an inordinate amount of time daily talking about these subjects while professing not to believe in them also makes one woo.

Holy cow, do I disagree with that. That would be basically saying that I am a woo since I talk about Bigfoot stuff a lot but do not believe Bigfoot exists. I'm sure you didn't mean that as a personal dig. I certainly wouldn't call you a woo simply because you entertain the existence of Bigfoot. That would be unfair and dismissive. Tell me you believe in Bigfoot, aliens, and ghosts, and that will be a different story.

If I spend a lot of my time discussing psychic mediums, dowsing, Bigfoot, or whatever, it doesn't in any way make me a woo. It makes me interested in those topics. There's no irrational belief system in play. I'm surprised you said that. Was it something I said?
 
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