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makaya325 said:
Also, take a look at this

http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/wildman.html
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it does not address the point that, as far as we know, the Vietnames people do not have a hairy man/yeti legend in their mythology.

The above is merely an article on modern "discoveries" of the usual blobsquatch evidence put together by bf proponents.

Why is it that the ONLY sources on this alleged wildman are from cryptozoology proponent sites and none from anthropological sites discussing Vietnamese myths and legends? I find that very telling.
 
it does not address the point that, as far as we know, the Vietnames people do not have a hairy man/yeti legend in their mythology.
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The above is merely an article on modern "discoveries" of the usual blobsquatch evidence put together by bf proponents.
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They are simply Collecting Vietnamese stories to suggest it may be possible that there is something to this mystery after all.


Why is it that the ONLY sources on this alleged wildman are from cryptozoology proponent sites and none from anthropological sites discussing Vietnamese myths and legends? I find that very telling
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Take it or leave it. Bigfoot encounters is not all a Proponent site. That is an unnecessary Assumption. You have Daegling's paper on the site, Radford's articles, etc. and others. So get off of the idea that it is a "Proponent site"

http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/wildman/j-fis.html

Take a look at that track


 
makaya325 said:
They are simply Collecting Vietnamese stories to suggest it may be possible that there is something to this mystery after all.
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A proponents page. All the related web pages point to bf of cryptozoological pages.
  • VIETNAM CRYPTOZOIC AND RARE ANIMALS RESEARCH CENTRE (CRARC)
  • Cryptozoology Personalities
  • Fossil Evidence for Human Evolution in China
  • From the Teeth of the Dragon - Gigantopithecus blacki by Eric Pettifor
  • UnMuseum argues against reality of the 'Iceman'
  • Sur les traces du BIG FOOT
  • Western Bigfoot Society
  • Institut Virtuel de Cryptozoologie or Virtual Institute of Cryptozoology
  • Cryptozoology Zone
  • Anomalies
Take it or leave it. Bigfoot encounters is not all a Proponent site.
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Non sequitur, we weren't even discussing that site, but since you insist,
That is an unnecessary Assumption. You have Daegling's paper on the site, Radford's articles, etc. and others. So get off of the idea that it is a "Proponent site"
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Read the home page,

"This website attempts to provide the interested reader or research student with a general overview of the biology of the sasquatch to the same degree that one would expect from, say, a bear website.
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I have tried very hard to provide plausible solutions to the prevailing tendency of journalists to treat the North American sasquatch or bigfoot as a near surreal phenomenon. It is unfortunate that tabloid journalism created a pattern that has driven the entire subject of these creatures into disrepute.
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In view of the massive amount of evidence in the form of sightings, footprints, nesting sites and other artifacts, the sasquatch is viewed as a species of a very large, living, hirsute bipedal hominid. "

It's a proponents site, no assumption on my part necessary
Take a look at that track
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/296044ac41d9f81c4c.gif
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Asian Black Bear range to Vietnam and have five toes on fore and hind feet.

Colour me unimpressed.
 
Here's an update from Adam Davies, on the alleged Orang Pendek sighting...


Wed, Sep 30 2009 01:57 | Permalink
I had a look at Cryptomundo last night, and the evidence we found, or certainly the nature of it, seem to be causing a lively debate! Soon I will write up a more detialed account of the expedition and publish it on the blog. What I will do today is stick to the facts on what we actually got , and what I intend to do next in terms of analyising that evidence.

1/ We have got both Rattan that the animal was probably chewing, and hair .

The Rattan + 1 hair was found at the location where Dave Archer and Sahar Didmus saw the Orang-Pendek. This was in a place I specifically choseto go, after finding tracks there on previous occcasions , including the cast of the footprint I found in 2001.

2/ We also have numerous hairs found on a tree . This ran parallell to another Orang-Pendek track I found on the other side of the Lake.

3/ We found two seperate Orang-Pendek trails which I photographed. These were identified by the Forest Rangers as originating from the OP. In terms of size and other specifics etc, they match the print I found in 2001.

4/We have two eyewitnesses, and I also have a sworn affadavit from forest ranger Sahar Didmus as to what he saw. We do not have a photo.

What next? The hair and Rattan will now be subject to scientific analysis by Professor Todd Disotell, from New York University. Whilst I cannot be sure they are from the OP, I can be confident they were gathered in the best possible manner they could be in the field, using sterilised tweezers, with no cross human contamination. They are now stored in ethanol. I will of course, make that information public.
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Link:

http://www.extreme-expeditions.com/journal/journal.php?id=6139626791866939117
 
Sahar- the guy who gave the affidavit in Sweaty's link above , may be a Bigfooter. Is he the same Sahar with the gap-tooth as can be found in the links below? In one photo his ASH from his cigarette is falling into the evidence.

Both trips anchored by the Center for Fortean Zoology.
Both trips include Sahar, the guide who gave the sworn affidavit.
Is he calling him a Park Ranger to add authority to his statement?
Why is he called a guide in the other picture? If he is the Sumatran equivalent of a Bigfooter, is his affidavit any good?

From Sweaty's link said:
4/We have two eyewitnesses, and I also have a sworn affadavit from forest ranger Sahar Didmus as to what he saw. We do not have a photo.
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Can he be found here on this 2003 Trip. http://www.cfz.org.uk/expeditions/03sumatra/sumatra-pics.htm ?

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Sahar, the native guide, who helped the team to unlock the secrets of the unforgiving jungle
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Did this same Sahar work with Richard Freeman on the 2003 expedition?
Richard Freeman is the Zoological Directorat the Center for Fortean Zoology.

Here is Sahar Didmus with the 2009 Trip.
http://www.ghosttheory.com/2009/09/29/cfz-sumatra-orang-pendek-press-release

Adam Davies discusses Sahar in this pre 2009 expedition trip, blog
http://cfzsumatra09.blogspot.com/2009/09/adam-davies-his-hopes-for-expedition.html

And just to give you some background on Adam Davies: Here he is writing about the Mongolian Death Worm. Yes, the MDW is the Electricity Generating, Acid spray shooting worm that lives under the sand of the Gobi Desert. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/158/death_worm.html
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Well, despite our lack of success, and the fact that we found no scientific proof of its existence, I really believe that it’s out there somewhere. The habitat and remoteness of the area are consistent with a creature of this kind, the ecosystem could support it, and the vast and remote regions in which it is said to live might explain why it has remained unknown to science. Most impressive, though, were the many eyewitness statements from people living many, many miles apart, all having a high degree of consistency in their descriptions and details.
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Indeed, Sahar the Local Guide, and Sahar the Park Ranger are used interchangeably in describing their sighting on the 2009 expedition.

Google search this:
"sahar" orang pendek
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And you will find several blogs or articles referencing the same sighting.
 
Drewbot said:
And just to give you some background on Adam Davies: Here he is writing about the Mongolian Death Worm. Yes, the MDW is the Electricity Generating, Acid spray shooting worm that lives under the sand of the Gobi Desert. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/158/death_worm.html
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His website is a marketing tool for himself. It looks like it was designed by MonsterQuest.

Check out the carving of the Death Worm.

The carving of a Death Worm made by a local eyewitness and now on display in a museum. Image: Adam Davies
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It has almond eyes with pupils and lids. The eyes, snout and mouth make it look mammalian. This is what Davies calls an eyewitness? This is supposed to be a worm? It's the equivalent of a witness drawing a Bigfoot sketch with wings and feathers. Sure, why not?
 

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Is Sahar being paid to bring the Orang Pendek to the attention of the world, or at least to those who are paying him?

Is he the Sumatran equivalent of Bob Titmus?
 
William Parcher said:
Is Sahar being paid to bring the Orang Pendek to the attention of the world, or at least to those who are paying him?

Is he the Sumatran equivalent of Bob Titmus?
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Or the equivalent of Manuel Elizalde?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasaday_controversy


Manuel Elizalde was the head of PANAMIN, the Philippine government agency created in 1968 to protect the interests of cultural minorities. He was the son of a wealthy father of Spanish lineage and an American mother. Some found it unusual that a notorious playboy would have interest in a group of primitive people. He took credit for discovering the Tasaday, which he did on June 7, shortly after a local barefoot Blit hunter told him of a sporadic contact over the years with a handful of primitive forest dwellers. He released this to the media a month later, and many excited people began the long task of clearing the thickest forest in the world. Weeks later, visitors were only three hours away when their way was blocked by the PANAMIN guards, who only answered to Elizalde. Elizalde allowed only a handful of the "most important visitors" to meet them.
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William Parcher said:
His website is a marketing tool for himself. It looks like it was designed by MonsterQuest.

Check out the carving of the Death Worm.



It has almond eyes with pupils and lids. The eyes, snout and mouth make it look mammalian. This is what Davies calls an eyewitness? This is supposed to be a worm? It's the equivalent of a witness drawing a Bigfoot sketch with wings and feathers. Sure, why not?
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You know bigfoot threads came down to their lowest point ever when someone posts the pic of a carved wood dildo...
 
makaya325 said:
What in the hell would any kind of Canine be doing in Borneo?
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First of all, this is Sumatra, not Borneo. Secondly, you could have at least engaged a few brain cells to know that domestic dogs are going to be on that island. Besides that, the Dhole lives on Sumatra.
 
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