Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[Drewbot]

Location of what? The handicapped picnic area? If I had a location of the Salt Fork Lodge, I may be able to figure out the area where that is, by using the roads as a guide. The nearest town is 20 miles away and that town is small. The area outside the park is very rural an mostly Ammish folk. Even the Highway leading to the park is one lane each way. If you are in the handicapped picnic area you are 15 miles from any Hwy. No, it is not the PNW, but it is not Tokyo either. It is 7 miles from the park gate to the Lodge.

Here is a satellite image of the S.F. Lodge. S.F. Lodge is less than 2 miles from INTERSTATE 77.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourcei...689,-81.528168&spn=0.047525,0.095787&t=h&z=13


John, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but who told you the lodge was 20miles away from the nearest town?

ODELL, OH is 5.8 miles away

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...256,-81.495209&spn=0.095021,0.191574&t=h&z=12

CAMBRIDGE, OH is 15.8 miles away

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...90052&sspn=0.023793,0.047894&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=12


WEBSITE SHOWING MORE SALT FORK BIGFOOT BUSINESS
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/ohiobigfoot/sfsp.html

FROM the location of the sighting on the website above- Cambridge Ohio is only 6.5Miles from the sighting. Cambridge OH is a town of approx. 13000 people.
http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=J....006295&cid=10195213653116236776&ie=UTF8&z=12

 

[WGBH]

Here is a satellite image of the S.F. Lodge. S.F. Lodge is less than 2 miles from INTERSTATE 77.

As the crow flies I guess.I cant see through trees. As I told you you have to drive 7 miles from the lodge to the park entrance. I have noted this on the odometer. You cannot drive through the woods Drew.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourcei...689,-81.528168&spn=0.047525,0.095787&t=h&z=13


John, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but who told you the lodge was 20miles away from the nearest town?

ODELL, OH is 5.8 miles away

I was talking about Cambridge. which is 15 as you said below. Odell is probably more of a cluster of Ammish houses, but you can call it a town if you want.

You also need to understand how Hilly and windy these roads are it takes time to drive them.



http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...256,-81.495209&spn=0.095021,0.191574&t=h&z=12

CAMBRIDGE, OH is 15.8 miles away

I was talking about Cambrindge ok so its 15 and not 20.


WEBSITE SHOWING MORE SALT FORK BIGFOOT BUSINESS
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/ohiobigfoot/sfsp.html

FROM the location of the sighting on the website above- Cambridge Ohio is only 6.5Miles from the sighting. Cambridge OH is a town of approx. 13000 people.

What sighting are you talking about? and Again 6.5 miles as the crow flies, not by road.


What is the point of this anyway? If you guys are so sure the park is not remote. Let me drive you to the Picnic area and drop you off.

 

[JohnWS]

Did sasquatch repopulate Ohio?

Found this on StateParks.com

Before settlement, Ohio lay in the heart of a vast forest wilderness stretching from the Appalachian Mountains to the Great Plains.

By 1900, most of Ohio's original forest was decimated. In its place stood wheat, corn, oats, hay and thriving cities.

Through conservation efforts over the past few decades, a magnificent regrowth has occurred. Today, nearly 30 percent of the state is once again supporting a thriving forest. This is most evident in the rugged, unglaciated hill region of southeastern Ohio including Salt Fork State Park.

My bold

So - where did those giant creatures go when the habitat was decimated? They must have been lurking close by to come back so quickly.

 

[Drewbot]

So - where did those giant creatures go when the habitat was decimated? They must have been lurking close by to come back so quickly.

JohnWS,

I wonder... The Mountain Lion was also decimated from Ohio, and it hasn't officially returned. One reason these western creatures don't make it back to the east, is a little thing called the MISSISSIPPI River. Another would be highways. The eastern half of the country is far more populated by roads, than the vast areas of the West.

 

[tsig]

John, you should really have a look at the video I posted. We're not looking at any restroom theory. Not having seen the video and talking about restrooms is going to seem silly when you can see the video. Just check it out tonight and then you'll be like "Right. OK. We're not talking about restrooms at all." When you see the video just pause it at 00:20 and just kind of stare at the screen. The entire idea of Bigfoot putting the stink on you guys with the pee pee smell is going to seems very, very silly after you do that. Unfortunately, just in this case it seems Nancy "look, another X!" from West Virginia has a leg up on the American Bigfoot Society when it comes to investigative abilities.

Ouch.

The whole idea that a state park could harbor BF's is beyond stupid.

I grew up in southern Ohio and for five years lived near Chillicothe. My back property line abutted the line for the Scioto Trail State Forest, a very wild piece of ground.

Our neighbor across the road had live all his life (65 years) there and daily roamed the woods.

I never had a BF visit and my neighbor never mentioned seeing one.

If there had been any BF's the fox hunters would have shot them or got drunk with them.

Between the fox, turkey, squirrel,deer, and rabbit hunters the woods are seldom silent.

 

[makaya325]

No offense, Mak, but drinking and posting don't mix.

I know. I acted like a complete moron a couple days back.

 

[WGBH]

John, you should really have a look at the video I posted. We're not looking at any restroom theory. Not having seen the video and talking about restrooms is going to seem silly when you can see the video. Just check it out tonight and then you'll be like "Right. OK. We're not talking about restrooms at all." When you see the video just pause it at 00:20 and just kind of stare at the screen. The entire idea of Bigfoot putting the stink on you guys with the pee pee smell is going to seems very, very silly after you do that. Unfortunately, just in this case it seems Nancy "look, another X!" from West Virginia has a leg up on the American Bigfoot Society when it comes to investigative abilities.

Ouch.

I'm very sorry. It's a touchy subject. When you mentioned Nancy and the restrooms. I have been arguing with that kook for months about it.

I also had a bad day at work.

I will need to start waiting to get home from work before I respond to these video questions. It has bitten me twice now.

Sorry agiain

 

[kitakaze]

No worries, take your time. If the video showed her pointing the camera at the restrooms and saying that was where the smell was coming from, I'd be pretty skeptical given the way the scenario with the urine smell was described by ABS people. Like I said, just pause the video at 00:20 when you get home. It should be like one of those hand-meets-forehead-drags-down-face moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9Do7_cLYA

Somebody needs to get Nancy into birdwatching or something that has to do with something actually in the woods in Salt Fork. She's going to end up being ambushed by an angry possum mama or be on the losing end of a territorial fight with a wild turkey. She's basically just a walking tetanus shot dart board.

 

[WGBH]

No worries, take your time. If the video showed her pointing the camera at the restrooms and saying that was where the smell was coming from, I'd be pretty skeptical given the way the scenario with the urine smell was described by ABS people. Like I said, just pause the video at 00:20 when you get home. It should be like one of those hand-meets-forehead-drags-down-face moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9Do7_cLYA

Somebody needs to get Nancy into birdwatching or something that has to do with something actually in the woods in Salt Fork. She's going to end up being ambushed by an angry possum mama or be on the losing end of a territorial fight with a wild turkey. She's basically just a walking tetanus shot dart board.

Yeah that is the video I was talking about.

 

[kitakaze]

Yeah that is the video I was talking about.

You had a look, paused at 00:20, and could see that we aren't talking about smells emanating from restrooms? You realize what that is, don't you?

I mean, how could anyone seriously with a straight face suggest that the pee pee smell noticed by the ABS in the area was not coming from that but rather possibly a giant wood ape putting the stink on you? Wouldn't you feel completely ridiculous to do so? I couldn't imagine anyone seriously doing that given what's in front of us and not rightfully expecting to receive real scoffing. That is actually quite scoff-worthy. I will confidently scoff at that. That and the idea that a species of powerful stink emanating huge wood ape far bigger than any black bear could be in a manicured, managed, and regularly patrolled area like what we see in that video acquiring its daily 12,000+ calories and remaining undiscovered by science. It's like basically a paranormal claim to me. Like a straight woo shot, no ice.

 

[Crowlogic]

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[Crowlogic]

After reading this entire thread I want to say bravo kids you've done a credible job at maintaining a level of decency! Hello John I've been over to your site and bringing your encounter here while not the easiest place in the world to navigate through the personalities is not a place where kindness in the form of humoring as a kindness is going to fill you up with empty calories. Whatever calories of knowledge you get will be the kind that will give valid energy.

While I've never seen a Sasquatch and have grave reservations that they managed to hold on into the last quarter of the 20th century maybe they did, apparently your's did at least.

Perhaps you did see a bipedal unclassified ape munching leaves in the forest. After all if it lives it eats. The only point I have contention is the overall size of the creature. For decades I simply took at face value the size reports. Some of which you know are simply stupendously big. However I took the time recently to scale some sasquatch to various sized and when I brought up a 12 ft sasquatch next to a 5'9" man it became clear to me that anything that big would be cutting a pretty wide swath through its environment. So my only question is was it really that big? Do you think your 9 footer may have been somewhat smaller say 7'-8' which is still huge.

Also there has been issue with the amount of detail you may have seen at 50 yards. I don't have any issues at all with the details you may have seen. 50 yards is 150 ft. The driveway leading up to my studio loft is 50 yards long. From there I can easily make out details passersby in the street. 150' is not a huge distance by any means. Also you saw that animal through 17 year old eyes. At 17 my eyes were pretty sharp. I suspect that the majority of posters here are considerable older than 17 and it is unfair for shall we say middle agers 35-55yrs to discount what a pair pair of 17 year old eyes are capable of seeing at 150'.

Basically that's about all I wanted to say. I hope in the end this forum and your own research helps to sort it out for you.

 

[WGBH]

You had a look, paused at 00:20, and could see that we aren't talking about smells emanating from restrooms? You realize what that is, don't you?

I mean, how could anyone seriously with a straight face suggest that the pee pee smell noticed by the ABS in the area was not coming from that but rather possibly a giant wood ape putting the stink on you? Wouldn't you feel completely ridiculous to do so? I couldn't imagine anyone seriously doing that given what's in front of us and not rightfully expecting to receive real scoffing. That is actually quite scoff-worthy. I will confidently scoff at that. That and the idea that a species of powerful stink emanating huge wood ape far bigger than any black bear could be in a manicured, managed, and regularly patrolled area like what we see in that video acquiring its daily 12,000+ calories and remaining undiscovered by science. It's like basically a paranormal claim to me. Like a straight woo shot, no ice.

Simple, because that is a storm water drain not a sewer and its on the opposite side of the picnic area (at least 100 yards) from the ravine where the odor was encountered.

Also, no one ever said the smell encountered was from a Bigfoot anyway.So get your facts correct.

It's also weird that in the post above you gave the impression that you did not subscribe to Nancy's restroom/drainage pipe theory and yet here you are agreeing. So which is it Kit?

 

[WGBH]

After reading this entire thread I want to say bravo kids you've done a credible job at maintaining a level of decency!

I think the fireworks are about to launch Crow and I have fallen into their clever trap! eep!

Hello John I've been over to your site and bringing your encounter here while not the easiest place in the world to navigate through the personalities is not a place where kindness in the form of humoring as a kindness is going to fill you up with empty calories. Whatever calories of knowledge you get will be the kind that will give valid energy.

I do not look for kindness here Crow. I look for ideas. I do not fear what their opinions are.

While I've never seen a Sasquatch and have grave reservations that they managed to hold on into the last quarter of the 20th century maybe they did, apparently your's did at least.

Perhaps you did see a bipedal unclassified ape munching leaves in the forest. After all if it lives it eats. The only point I have contention is the overall size of the creature. For decades I simply took at face value the size reports. Some of which you know are simply stupendously big. However I took the time recently to scale some sasquatch to various sized and when I brought up a 12 ft sasquatch next to a 5'9" man it became clear to me that anything that big would be cutting a pretty wide swath through its environment. So my only question is was it really that big? Do you think your 9 footer may have been somewhat smaller say 7'-8' which is still huge.

I saw what I saw.

No I am very sure it was well above 8 ft and probably 9 ft. I played soccer for 20 years. A soccer goal is 8 ft. It was well beyond that. I could see where its head was compared to the tree.

Also there has been issue with the amount of detail you may have seen at 50 yards. I don't have any issues at all with the details you may have seen. 50 yards is 150 ft. The driveway leading up to my studio loft is 50 yards long. From there I can easily make out details passersby in the street. 150' is not a huge distance by any means. Also you saw that animal through 17 year old eyes. At 17 my eyes were pretty sharp. I suspect that the majority of posters here are considerable older than 17 and it is unfair for shall we say middle agers 35-55yrs to discount what a pair pair of 17 year old eyes are capable of seeing at 150'.

There were details I could not see very well Crow. Such as the eyes and the fingernails. Also, It may have been less then 50 yds. It was just an estimate and I was 10 ft up in a tree, so that could make it seem farther then it was. I could see the back, shoulders, arms and hands well. My eyes were always sharp. I just started wearing glasses two years ago and I am 44.

Basically that's about all I wanted to say. I hope in the end this forum and your own research helps to sort it out for you.

I hope so to and thanks.

 

[HarryHenderson]

Excellent discussion, even if it is about Bigfoot.

Poignant-irony-makes-me-reconsider-my-perceptions hilarious or quirky-throwaway-Seinfeld-style-observational-humour hilarious? I was shooting for the former.

Dude™, it's been both hilarious-es, and that's a good thing. Is there some kind of award we can bestow on you when you do yet another terrific and so ******* funny job of repulsing those pesky (but) ProBigfooters™? Seriously, your craftsmanship is impeccable.

The fact you still have WGBH's 'attention' is surprising, even if obvious why. I mean (and I mean it respectfully), he's still stalled on 'he saw Bigfoot'. Actually, it is true that WGBH has transformed (and possibly redeemed) himself from a literal BFF 'forum troll' to an almost famous and esteemed member of the entire Bigfoot Community™, pro and con. Gotta respect that. Maybe when WGBH finally does realize there is no Bigfoot, and he will, Kitakaze will be first in line for yet another of those awards we decided in the paragraph above to regularly give him? We can only pray.

 

[Crowlogic]

I hope so to and thanks.[/QU

 

[kitakaze]

Excellent discussion, even if it is about Bigfoot.

Dude™, it's been both hilarious-es, and that's a good thing. Is there some kind of award we can bestow on you when you do yet another terrific and so ******* funny job of repulsing those pesky (but) ProBigfooters™? Seriously, your craftsmanship is impeccable.

The fact you still have WGBH's 'attention' is surprising, even if obvious why. I mean (and I mean it respectfully), he's still stalled on 'he saw Bigfoot'. Actually, it is true that WGBH has transformed (and possibly redeemed) himself from a literal BFF 'forum troll' to an almost famous and esteemed member of the entire Bigfoot Community™, pro and con. Gotta respect that. Maybe when WGBH finally does realize there is no Bigfoot, and he will, Kitakaze will be first in line for yet another of those awards we decided in the paragraph above to regularly give him? We can only pray.

Harry, I can't believe I haven't given you a great big formal welcome here. Welcome to the the JREF, you great big jackass! It's great to have you here. Your posts at the SFB were always entertaining. We talked about this in PM a little but I couldn't believe the stuff you got away with there. AT least once a day there I would read one of your posts and think to myself we can do that here? No, really, we can do that here?? I literally started doing the copypasta on some of your posts to my email along with mine because I thought you were going to join me on the way out of the sandbox.

It really made me laugh. I would be checking my posts to make sure I had enough please, sorry, and thank you's in them and then I'd see you throw something up that was like if George Carlin and Andrew Dice Clay went drinking together. When you told Melissa that she was scaring you and refused not to stop talking about whether we thought the Freeman casts were real in the thread devoted to that admitted hoaxer's collection my face just kind of went...



I felt like Eddie Murphy as kid watching his Dad at the cookout... (NSFW)



(First person to catch the Bigfoot reference in there wins.)

It's great to have John here, too. After the last couple months at SFB and listening to the various blogtalk radio shows I have realized what a serious support network of friends John has in Bigfootery USA. I think it's amazing and to his credit that he's even here and listening to us still.

 

[WGBH]

Excellent discussion, even if it is about Bigfoot.

Dude™, it's been both hilarious-es, and that's a good thing. Is there some kind of award we can bestow on you when you do yet another terrific and so ******* funny job of repulsing those pesky (but) ProBigfooters™? Seriously, your craftsmanship is impeccable.

The fact you still have WGBH's 'attention' is surprising, even if obvious why. I mean (and I mean it respectfully), he's still stalled on 'he saw Bigfoot'. Actually, it is true that WGBH has transformed (and possibly redeemed) himself from a literal BFF 'forum troll' to an almost famous and esteemed member of the entire Bigfoot Community™, pro and con. Gotta respect that. Maybe when WGBH finally does realize there is no Bigfoot, and he will, Kitakaze will be first in line for yet another of those awards we decided in the paragraph above to regularly give him? We can only pray.

Harry, How many times must I tell you? Bigfoot is real.

"Esteemed member of the Bigfoot Community?" WTF? You actually think people other then my friends give a crap what I say or do? Even I am not that deluded and I saw Bigfoot.

 

[kitakaze]

Simple, because that is a storm water drain not a sewer and its on the opposite side of the picnic area (at least 100 yards) from the ravine where the odor was encountered.

Also, no one ever said the smell encountered was from a Bigfoot anyway.So get your facts correct.

It's also weird that in the post above you gave the impression that you did not subscribe to Nancy's restroom/drainage pipe theory and yet here you are agreeing. So which is it Kit?

1) Now you're saying that the smell was encountered in the ravine rather out of the ravine by the picnic area as was explicitly stated by ABS members in the Sasquatch Watch radio show. I have the notes and the time codes here. Shall I give you the exact words you guys said?

2) Of course you guys didn't say definitively that you encountered Bigfoot in some manner. I never said you did. Not even thefirstbillyjack does that (most of the time). Only the very stupidest Bigfooters do that. Those with any sense know to simply heavily intimate the idea such as Eric Altman did about his alleged sighting there (Billy Willard called it a sighting) and the ABS did regarding smells, tracks, sights, and sounds.

3) There is no contradiction whatsovever. You've added drainage pipe to the restroom theory. I'm not talking about restrooms. As I said, I'd be skeptical of restrooms being the source. Now regarding the drainage pipe thing...

there is a sewage drain in the dip behind the bathroom. and to the left of the park is a solid white manhole cover that goes down to the ravine on th left. and yes we have had the strong smell of urine there. sometimes it will come in waves and sometimes a steady solid oder.

 

[WGBH]

Originally Posted by nancywv @ youtube
there is a sewage drain in the dip behind the bathroom. and to the left of the park is a solid white manhole cover that goes down to the ravine on th left. and yes we have had the strong smell of urine there. sometimes it will come in waves and sometimes a steady solid oder.

Billy checked that out. It was not the case. It is not a sewer anyway, it's a storm water drain. The restrooms are on a septic system.