Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[kitakaze]

Hello, this is David. I'm Michelle's (sugarb's) husband. I understand that you all would like to hear my side of the story. I've got a couple more days off on this vacation so I thought I would go ahead and give it a go. So here goes....

(snip)

Hi, David, and thank you for coming here to share your experience with us. It is significant in that this is the first time on the JREF that we have a had a multiple witness claim for Bigfoot. Back in post #1516 of this thread I located the area of your sighting just past the East Arkansas Regional Unit prison and just before coming into Marianna.

To be honest, one of the first things I thought is that this is a footer or a couple of footers creating a story for us, but Michelle's use of the JREF forums contradicts that. I told Michelle that I thought it was very strange that she would come onto the forum and post specifically that she doesn't think Bigfoots often use roads in the Bigfoot roadkill thread, and yet sit on the massive whopper that she and her husband actually saw a Bigfoot using a road. I found one Bigfoot report with the BFRO for Lee County, which is from the 60's...

http://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=7234

Arkansas has about 70 reports with the BFRO, which is not too shabby. I really don't know what to make of your story yet. I believe that you saw something, but I don't think it actually was Bigfoot. Maybe a person in a ghillie suit, maybe a hoax, I don't know. The reason why I doubt it actually was Bigfoot is because with that behaviour, and how often Bigfoot is reported by roads, we should absolutely have a type specimen by now.

To whom did you talk to about the event after it occured?

Here is a stock '97 Ford F150 with extended cab. About how much higher than the roof of your truck would you say the thing you saw?

Oh, and welcome to the JREF.

 

[LuvGodzilla]

Because I am not sure. You want me to guess? OK between 35 and 40 yds.

I didn't ask you to guess. I stated that you hadn't given a number to clarify the less than 50 yds.

You mentioned several times less than 50 yds and had someone stand away from you so you could "estimate" and then not give the new estimation yardage simply leaves the distance very unclear.

I believe you mentioned playing football too, so I would have naturally assumed that you could correctly estimate yardage based on knowing/playing the game of football at that age.

I'm also interested in the fact that you were sitting and looking through a mail slot sized port in a canvas covered deer stand at an approximate height of 10 to 12 ft (floor level?) from above the 9x5.5 subject and from a distance of 35 to 40 yards observing it from the waist up in green shrubbery eating berries.

You than claim some serious physical symptoms that you brush off and did not seek medical care for at the time, or did you? Regardless of the witnessed subject, why did you disregard such serious medical symptoms? Did you tell your parents? Did you tell the adult whom took you hunting?

 

[kitakaze]

Spoken like a true woo.

JMHO, clay, about your opinion, but I don't see how that can help. Let's say David and Michelle did see something, regardless of whether it was a real Bigfoot or a human wearing something. David's thoughts about it are perfectly natural and to be expected when trying to make sense of it. Put yourself in their shoes. Those are the kind of things you'd hear when talking about it with another person. Nothing about it makes him a woo and there can only come further hostility from that. I would like David and Michelle to stick around and talk. Comments like that one above might make Dave think What's with these _____? I'm out of here. Let's make nice and talk Bigfoot.

 

[WGBH]

I didn't ask you to guess. I stated that you hadn't given a number to clarify the less than 50 yds.

You mentioned several times less than 50 yds and had someone stand away from you so you could "estimate" and then not give the new estimation yardage simply leaves the distance very unclear.

I believe you mentioned playing football too, so I would have naturally assumed that you could correctly estimate yardage based on knowing/playing the game of football at that age.

I'm also interested in the fact that you were sitting and looking through a mail slot sized port in a canvas covered deer stand at an approximate height of 10 to 12 ft (floor level?) from above the 9x5.5 subject and from a distance of 35 to 40 yards observing it from the waist up in green shrubbery eating berries.

You than claim some serious physical symptoms that you brush off and did not seek medical care for at the time, or did you? Regardless of the witnessed subject, why did you disregard such serious medical symptoms? Did you tell your parents? Did you tell the adult whom took you hunting?

A best guess is all you are going to get. Correct, the exact distance is unclear.

I never played football.

OK, you are interested, feel free to ask questions.

I told the adult there about my sighting not the symptoms I felt beforehand. No, I never sought medical care or told my parents or anyone else for that matter.

 

[kitakaze]

care to comment on you doing most of your research in timberghost country, or so I've heard? A stone's throw from mabrc country?

Sorry, Mike, but once again, a Bigfoot enthusiast that searches for Bigfoot in Connecticut attempting to call out another Bigfoot enthusiast on a skeptics forum based on their area of searching seems rather empty to me. Especially when the method is by associating people who have no connection whatsoever.

I could point out that you are in NESRA, Steve Kulls was in NESRA, Steve Kulls was all mixed up with Biscardi and the Georgia hoax so...

See what I mean?

 

[kitakaze]

John, you may have missed post #1722. I was asking about bug spray and toxic plants. Also, I showed how to upload pictures easily.

 

[WGBH]

When you go in the woods, do you use an insect repellent such as OFF! ?

Have you ever heard of the plant called jimson weed?

User CP tab (upper left of the screen) > Pictures & Albums > Add Album > Browse > select the picture > voilà!

Sorry Kit, you are right, I did miss this.

Yes I use OFF when needed in the woods.

No, never heard of jimson weed.

I'm sorry, for privacy reasons I have decided against posting my personal pictures here. If you want to see them join face book and send me a friend request. Then you can look at all of them whenever you want.

 

[kitakaze]

Sorry Kit, you are right, I did miss this.

Yes I use OFF when needed in the woods.

No, never heard of jimson weed.

I'm sorry, for privacy reasons I have decided against posting my personal pictures here. If you want to see them join face book and send me a friend request. Then you can look at all of them whenever you want.

OFF! and other various insect repellents contain N,N-Diethyl-meta-toluamide, abbreviated as DEET. DEET has been know to cause hallucinations and seizures. Yeah, it's true...

Harmful Health Effects

• Neurological problems, including insomnia, mood disturbances, hallucinations, seizures, impaired cognitive function, and death if there's over exposure to the chemical.

http://www.saladsticks.com/2009/07/deet-can-be-harmful.html

Datura stramonium, or jimson weed, is a toxic plant that grows in North Carolina and many other places that also causes hallucinations. Get some on your fingers and then rub your eyes, pick your nose, etc, bingo bango, hello Bigfoot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimson_weed

You don't need to be on your friends list to see you WGBH fan page. That's available to the public. I'm looking at the shot of you when you were 18 in 1983 in the red and white Adidas tee and shorts in front of the cliffs. I won't post the link per your request but I will confirm that you have an average physique at that age. Your physique has nothing to do with anything like psychogenic non-epileptic seizures but I am in no position to say with certainty what you experienced, other than saying that any of the things I listed are far, far more likely than seeing Bigfoot, regardless of how convinced you are.

 

[Medic212]

Spoken like a true woo.

Hello to you whoever you are.

First off I don't know what a woo is, it's a dumb little word, and I'm guessing condescending. If that is correct I don't see how you could possibly know me well enough after only one post to take that liberty but whatever. Thanks for the kind welcome

 

[WGBH]

OFF! and other various insect repellents contain N,N-Diethyl-meta-toluamide, abbreviated as DEET. DEET has been know to cause hallucinations and seizures. Yeah, it's true...



http://www.saladsticks.com/2009/07/deet-can-be-harmful.html

Datura stramonium, or jimson weed, is a toxic plant that grows in North Carolina and many other places that also causes hallucinations. Get some on your fingers and than rub your eyes, pick your nose, etc, bingo bango, hello Bigfoot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimson_weed

You don't need to be on your friends list to see you WGBH fan page. That's available to the public. I'm looking at the shot of you when you were 18 in 1983 in the red and white Adidas tee and shorts in front of the cliffs. I won't post the link per your request but I will confirm that you have an average physique at that age. Your physique has nothing to do with anything like psychogenic non-epileptic seizures but I am in no position to say with certainty what you experienced, other than saying that any of the things I listed are far, far more likely than seeing Bigfoot, regardless of how convinced you are.

I will remember that about Deet. Thanks for the warning. For the record, I was not wearing it the day of the sighting.

Forgot about the silly WGBH fan page. Thanks for remembering it. Problem solved, great job!

 

[Medic212]

Hi, David, and thank you for coming here to share your experience with us. It is significant in that this is the first time on the JREF that we have a had a multiple witness claim for Bigfoot. Back in post (can't post links) of this thread I located the area of your sighting just past the East Arkansas Regional Unit prison and just before coming into Marianna.

To be honest, one of the first things I thought is that this is a footer or a couple of footers creating a story for us, but Michelle's use of the JREF forums contradicts that. I told Michelle that I thought it was very strange that she would come onto the forum and post specifically that she doesn't think Bigfoots often use roads in the Bigfoot roadkill thread, and yet sit on the massive whopper that she and her husband actually saw a Bigfoot using a road. I found one Bigfoot report with the BFRO for Lee County, which is from the 60's...

link

Arkansas has about 70 reports with the BFRO, which is not too shabby. I really don't know what to make of your story yet. I believe that you saw something, but I don't think it actually was Bigfoot. Maybe a person in a ghillie suit, maybe a hoax, I don't know. The reason why I doubt it actually was Bigfoot is because with that behaviour, and how often Bigfoot is reported by roads, we should absolutely have a type specimen by now.

To whom did you talk to about the event after it occured?

Here is a stock link with extended cab. About how much higher than the roof of your truck would you say the thing you saw?

Oh, and welcome to the JREF.

Thanks for the welcome.

I can certainly see where your opinion about a specimen would come into play. I think Michelle has already answered why she didn't share our experience. She felt foolish. End of discussion, I ask that you please try to have some respect on that issue, though I understand your concern about it as a skeptic. She had mentioned to me several times about posting our experience, and about that I was at first skeptical. I gave her first my permission to post about what happened and then later encouraged her to do so. That may strike some chords and that's fine. And to go back a bit about the implication that I would somehow be a puppet to the stronger personality in this relationship. Make no mistake I am the stronger personality, and the head of this household.

You asked how much taller what we saw was than the truck. We were driving a standard cab not an extended cab, I don't think there is a height difference if there is it isn't much I don't believe. However about the height it would be hard to judge very accurately as the thing we saw was running with a forward lean and sort of slumped. I would put it at 6 inches to a foot taller than the truck with that posture. Now I am 6' 1 and the truck we were in was probably a good 6 inches taller than me.

The first people we told were Michelle's sister when we saw her and her husband, sister in law didn't believe us but her husband said that his son had seen something similar several months before when he was learning to drive. Then we told my parents. My mother laughed it off but it scared the crap out of my dad.

Now please keep in mind that we don't hunt bigfoot, I think it would be fun, but we don't. I do believe that they exist...shoot me. I believe in ghosts. I believe in aliens. If that makes me a "woo" then I guess I'm a woo. I wish it was a cooler name though, that kinda sucks ya know?

I know that some people create hoaxes, and personally I think it's pathetic. I think it takes away from what could in fact be a fascinating thing if they do in fact exist. I also tend to think that they would more often than not stay away from roads and such, but I also don't think that means that they would never go near those places, no what I mean? I don't dismiss those possibilities as an explanation for what we saw either. I'm with michelle on that. Who knows what it was? Not me. Not for sure.

 

[WGBH]

OFF!
Your physique has nothing to do with anything like psychogenic non-epileptic seizures but I am in no position to say with certainty what you experienced, other than saying that any of the things I listed are far, far more likely than seeing Bigfoot, regardless of how convinced you are.

You know, I had to go back and give you props for this. This was very nicely said and I thank you.

 

[WGBH]

Medic212 and Sugarb,

Thank you for sharing your encounter with us. A friend of mine and fellow researcher from Texas has a very similar sighting in Louisiana. The only difference was that the figure was running on the passenger side of the car as they drove by it. It also never turned and never acknowledged him or his girlfriend at all.

 

[kitakaze]

Thanks for the welcome.

I can certainly see where your opinion about a specimen would come into play. I think Michelle has already answered why she didn't share our experience. She felt foolish. End of discussion, I ask that you please try to have some respect on that issue, though I understand your concern about it as a skeptic. She had mentioned to me several times about posting our experience, and about that I was at first skeptical. I gave her first my permission to post about what happened and then later encouraged her to do so. That may strike some chords and that's fine. And to go back a bit about the implication that I would somehow be a puppet to the stronger personality in this relationship. Make no mistake I am the stronger personality, and the head of this household.

Yeah, it's weird she didn't mention it but if she was embarrassed to discuss it, I could understand. Per your explanation, it seems she wanted to discuss it. I'm confused though, why would she need your permission to discuss an experience she had on an internet forum under an anonymous user name? I would think that is not something one adult needs to get from another adult, regardless of relationship.

You asked how much taller what we saw was than the truck. We were driving a standard cab not an extended cab, I don't think there is a height difference if there is it isn't much I don't believe. However about the height it would be hard to judge very accurately as the thing we saw was running with a forward lean and sort of slumped. I would put it at 6 inches to a foot taller than the truck with that posture. Now I am 6' 1 and the truck we were in was probably a good 6 inches taller than me.

What can you tell us about facial features and other fine details, such as hair lengths and textures?

The first people we told were Michelle's sister when we saw her and her husband, sister in law didn't believe us but her husband said that his son had seen something similar several months before when he was learning to drive. Then we told my parents. My mother laughed it off but it scared the crap out of my dad.

So your nephew has also seen a Bigfoot? What do you know about this?

Now please keep in mind that we don't hunt bigfoot, I think it would be fun, but we don't. I do believe that they exist...shoot me. I believe in ghosts. I believe in aliens. If that makes me a "woo" then I guess I'm a woo. I wish it was a cooler name though, that kinda sucks ya know?

Sorry, but yes, believing in ghosts and aliens makes one woo. You could have fortean addict if you like.

I know that some people create hoaxes, and personally I think it's pathetic. I think it takes away from what could in fact be a fascinating thing if they do in fact exist. I also tend to think that they would more often than not stay away from roads and such, but I also don't think that means that they would never go near those places, no what I mean? I don't dismiss those possibilities as an explanation for what we saw either. I'm with michelle on that. Who knows what it was? Not me. Not for sure.

What do you think about the possibility of it being a human wearing something that you misjudged the size of?

 

[kitakaze]

I will remember that about Deet. Thanks for the warning. For the record, I was not wearing it the day of the sighting.

Forgot about the silly WGBH fan page. Thanks for remembering it. Problem solved, great job!

I would think it would be hard to remember if you used bug spray from 27 years ago, but OK. So we should keep in mind that you might have come into contact with jimson weed.

The picture was nice. You had a porno mustache and everything.

 

[LuvGodzilla]

Jimson weed is known by other names such as: stinkweed, locoweed and was very popular with youth as a hallucinogenic drug which landed them in the hospital more times than not from accidental poisoning.

Wouldn't hurt to take a look John, perhaps you might recognize the plant or the flower as something you did touch or was around the deer stand.

I'd put up some links, but I'm sure your capable of finding what you need to know if your interested in looking for possible alternatives to your experience.

 

[GT/CS]

Jimson weed is known by other names such as: stinkweed, locoweed and was very popular with youth as a hallucinogenic drug which landed them in the hospital more times than not from accidental poisoning.

Wouldn't hurt to take a look John, perhaps you might recognize the plant or the flower as something you did touch or was around the deer stand.

I'd put up some links, but I'm sure your capable of finding what you need to know if your interested in looking for possible alternatives to your experience.

It doesn't matter. It's fairly obvious he won't accept any possibility other than he saw a bigfoot.

 

[Medic212]

Yeah, it's weird she didn't mention it but if she was embarrassed to discuss it, I could understand. Per your explanation, it seems she wanted to discuss it. I'm confused though, why would she need your permission to discuss an experience she had on an internet forum under an anonymous user name? I would think that is not something one adult needs to get from another adult, regardless of relationship.




What can you tell us about facial features and other fine details, such as hair lengths and textures?



So your nephew has also seen a Bigfoot? What do you know about this?



Sorry, but yes, believing in ghosts and aliens makes one woo. You could have fortean addict if you like.



What do you think about the possibility of it being a human wearing something that you misjudged the size of?

She required my permission because she knows that I am not a fan of the internet in general, one because I'm not a computer person, and two because I do not like online communities. She respects me as her husband. People are often not kind or thoughtful of peoples feelings and tend to very often pick what is said apart and that is something that can cause a lot of harm in many ways to many people. I am very very protective of my wife as I love her with all my heart and do not want that to happen to her. With that being my stance on online communities, she respects how I feel and why. We are a bit old fashioned, therefore our household isn't operated so streamline. She asked me how I felt about posting and I considered the consequences and gave my permission to do so freely.

As to being a fortean addict or "woo", I am not an addict of anything except my snuff and beer at any opportunity, though not that night before it's even implied. I don't have time to be engrossed in anything like that, I spend 24 hours at work and have 48 hours to be involved at home and with my family. I find that to be more important than any of this stuff.

As far as what my nephew saw, all I know is that when we described what we saw to my brother in law he said his son had seen something similar which he described as a "wild man"

I was unable to distinguish any specific facial features, by the time it was close enough for that to even be possible it passed so quickly there was no way to tell. The hair seemed to be about the length of a medium hair length dog, the best I could describe it would be like a mutt labrador. The hair appeared to be a dirty brown again like a dog thats had a good 'ol time in the mud.

I am certainly not prepared to dismiss the possibility of a man in a suit or a hoaxer or anything like that. It just doesn't feel probable to me. In my job there are a lot of situations where I have to go on instinct there just isn't time to sit and analyze a situation. You go with your gut and what the situation feels like. Nothing about what I saw seemed typical for lack of a better word. It seemed abnormal. There was something about what we saw that didn't feel like it was right. Unfortunately there isn't much more I can add than that. It happened to quickly. All I can say is that something wasn't "normal".

 

[Medic212]

Medic212 and Sugarb,

Thank you for sharing your encounter with us. A friend of mine and fellow researcher from Texas has a very similar sighting in Louisiana. The only difference was that the figure was running on the passenger side of the car as they drove by it. It also never turned and never acknowledged him or his girlfriend at all.

Thanks for the welcome. That was something that I found kinda strange. You would think that anything would at least acknowledge your existence. I would think that even a hoaxer would more than likely not be able to keep from turning to see if they had gotten a rise out of a passerby. Michelle said she will show me your story to read. I'll take a gander see. Thanks again

 

[WGBH]

I would think it would be hard to remember if you used bug spray from 27 years ago, but OK. So we should keep in mind that you might have come into contact with jimson weed.

The picture was nice. You had a porno mustache and everything.

How long does it take to take effect? I was in the tree stand about 3 to 4 hours before the episode started.

Did you catch my sexy Bruce Jenner Bowl hair cut too?