Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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Insofar as the subject is quite a long way from the camera, with a subject that might as well be a person in a suit for all the fleeting glimpses we get of it, and with a picture so shaky it's impossible to study the subject without digital stabilization ... yeah, it's a PGF clone.

ETA: And yet, this one is even more inscrutable than the PGF. It's only 16 seconds long, for starters, and the figure is half in shadow and obscured by trees for at least 10 seconds of that run time. Did the camera operator only have 16 seconds of tape in his/her video device? Where is the rest of the footage from the event? The whole thing fairly screams "POORLY THOUGHT-OUT HOAX!"
 
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Hi Folks.

Not sure why some have reverted to the namecalling, but in the message board world we all have experienced what that means.

I shall try to address some of the comments made, but have a question first.

What exactly IS a bigfooter? It's been thrown around and I'm not exactly sure what it means, though I have an idea and I think perhaps that it means that, no matter what, I'm no longer credible in a debate?

Moving on.

Missing airplanes:

http://www.adn.com/2010/09/04/1440036/reward-offered-for-finding-missing.html

Is this the area of the ice fields?

http://poppypundit.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/those-other-missing-airplanes/

Showing that other airplanes were found during the Fosset search. This can show the argument on both sides, however, I would like to show that for some reason, large search parties were unable to locate these wreckages during the original searches.

Someone asked me to provide some examples of sightings and experiences that have not been disproven. I didn't originally provide specific examples b/c there are tens of thousands of them. Here are a few I found in a 30 second internet search. From last year...

Grayson County, Virginia – March, 2010 – 9:30 p.m.

A husband and wife, with another woman and a child, were traveling north on Rte 89 in Grayson County, Virginia when they saw the creature. The creature disappeared when he spotted them. They describe him to the police as having a black hairy body and around seven feet tall

Grants Pass, Oregon – February 24, 2010

An individual returning from Grants Pass, heading for Eureka, CA, just before dark spotted a large, dark animal crossing the road. He walked upright, fast, and on two legs. The creatures face was human with caveman like features. It was covered in black hair, hefty in build, and over nine feet tall.

Leeds, Maine – February-March 2010

Weird creature spotted in the midst of boggy lands, called Turner Triangle in Androscoggin County, Maine. No description was given.

Collier County, Florida. Early afternoon on January 18, 2010

Two friends were fishing in Picayne Stand State forest. They were walking down a trail and were brought up short when an ape stepped out of the forest. They said they saw the animal before he saw them. They backed away slowly, looked back, and saw the animal watching them from behind a tree. The animal posed no threat and seemed just as curious about them as they were about him. No mention of height or physical appearance was given.

Bexar County, Texas – December 1, 2009 – 6:30 a.m.

Responding to a 911 call, a law official went to the area the caller described. It was a wooded area with a few sub-divisions and shopping malls. Four tracks were found in the area, about thirteen and a half inches long and depressed deeply into the ground. Pictures were taken to verify prints found.

Escambia County, Florida – November 21st and 15th, 2010 – 6:00 a.m.

Individual was out hunting squirrels in Escambia County and began to walk into the woods. While walking, this individual heard a low, guttural sound, almost like a Native American dialect. He heard this sound for about ten to fifteen seconds, and then heard it again a little later.

On the 25th, He returned with his oldest daughter; again, to hunt squirrels. While in the area, they both heard someone walking. They said it sounded like another man.

Webster County, West Virginia – October 27, 2010 – one a.m.

Wooded area – A man and woman were awoken by a very strong smell; foul, like sour milk. Strong enough to keep them from getting back to sleep. The woman said she saw a shadow walking across the porch, blocking the porch light. All of these sightings were reported to interested parties and investigated. A foul smell like sour milk or sulfur, body covered in black hair, seven to nine feet tall, walked upright, large footprints, and ape-like features were the most common descriptions of the animal.

Now, moving on to fossil history. Perhaps we aren't looking in the right area for the fossils? By most peoples' arguments on here, this NORTH AMERICAN PRIMATE never existed until 2 years ago. Take special note where the remains were found as well as the scientific communities' theory on migration. I think the 'matter-of-fact' type statements about fossil records should perhaps be ratcheted back as in fact, there are primate fossils still being discovered in North America. To me, at this point, the fossil record argument has been significantly damaged.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/03/080303-american-primate.html

I think folks shold be careful when making such absolute statements b/c when one can find exceptions it does indeed call into question the accuracy of other statements made.

Transitioning over to talk about the 'millions' of people that are allegedly in the woods at this very second with cameras drawn in extreme backcountry where this creature allegedly resides in the PNW. Well. Think about that.

Millions....3 million in the backcountry of OR/WA/Norhtern CA? Really? With cameras drawn to get a photo of a fleeing animal? Just think about it. 3 million people hiking with cameras ON, FOCUSED TO A SPECIFIC POINT, and AIMED? I won't hang my hat on that hypothesis.




The problem is that missing planes have no bearing on whether or not a 7-10 foot creature could survive in the wilderness without detection... Its silly to even compare the two things and try to lend credence to Bigfoot being a possibility because we can't find some wrecked planes...

Also, unexplained stories don't lend any credence to anything, we can make them up if we like:

"John Smith was out walking his dog in the hills out in Kentucky one Satuday afternoon when he spotted something he'd never forget.."

We don't even know if those stories were really handed in by actual witnessess or just made up online, even if they were actual accounts then we still can't do anything with them because we don't know if the people were lying, mistaken etc..
 
No wonder Bigfoot avoids humans. Here is a list of 250 purported shootings. http://lawnflowersjerkyandbigfoots.com/bigfootshootings.aspx
Some have links so u can read these thrilling reports.
Not one resulted in a verifiable body I guess.
It is really, REALLY hard to kill a Bigfoot.

Bulletmaker had a story, bout one of his neighbors retelling a shooting that happened several years before. According to the story, this good ol boy emptied a twelve rd mag from his 22 long gun, and six from a thirty eight, during a thirty yd charge.
I pleaded with Bullet to take JREF member Darkwing to the spot, so DW could search the area with cadaver dogs, surely a good ol boy didnt miss with the thirty eight, from what would have been point blank range by the time he emptied the 22 into the charging beast.

I was mysteriously banned from all Bulletmaker threads at MABRC following that.
 
I pretty much gave up on the whole thing (Bigfoot Forums - BFF), it's just so hard to watch grown adults believing anything told them on the subject. A recent example is "Mike" on the Enoch thread, AKA Swamp Bandit. His claims are ludicrous, yet he gets plenty of ego stroking. Someone from GB came on and pointed out the obvious and had her head about torn off. It reminds me of a religion.


"Mike" is the name of the guy that supposedly told Autumn William's the ongoing story about Enoch the Bigfoot. She wrote a book about it.

Now, BFRO guy Navigator (is that Matt Moneymaker?) says that Mike the Enoch guy is a homeless liar.

Navigator at BFRO said:
The fellow who told Autumn Williams (by phone) the stories that she eventually published in a book titled "Enoch," is actually a yarn-spinning homeless person in central Florida who our investigators had encountered in 2006 in Polk County, FL.

Among other things, Mike claimed to have been a helicopter pilot in Vietnam.

Homeless Mike is lying bum with a penchant for hustling women who he can sponge off. He's also got an arrest record in more than one state and is almost certainly a parole violator as well.
 

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Oh yeah? "Navigator" can ad hom Mike all he wants, but Mike still has a bigfoot friend named Enoch! I know it's true because Mike's never photographed him and bigfoots can smell cameras with their infrasound.
 
The BFF has it's own version of the offertory plate... Every few months they collect money to buy something for Pastor Munns.
 
Knowing what I do of the publishing game I'd guess Williams has cleared in the neighborhood of 25k so far. When it comes out in paper she might clear another smaller chunk. She knows how to play the rubes.
 
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