Biden for President?

[TellyKNeasuss]

This seems like an argument from stereotype.

The stereotypical 1990s congressional aide wore pantyhose, which casts doubt on this atypical narrative.

Does any argument that bears on discussing the probability of a necessary component of an event occurring qualify as an "argument by stereotype"?

If we're going to apply that stereotype, can we apply others?

She wasn't wearing hose, so that means she's probably a slut, and this is probably politically motivated regret sex rather than rape-rape?

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it gives the appearance of a sneaky way of making a straw man argument.

The stereotypical rape victim tends to suppress the event, misrepresent it, change her story a lot, and refrain from aggressively pursuing justice, which explains almost all the discrepancies in what is in fact a true story?

The stereotypical rape victim remembers something about the location (unless she was blindfolded and dragged somewhere), the time of day, and the month of the year. But I suppose that you are going to claim this is also an "argument from stereotype".

Or maybe we should be stereotyping Joe Biden as an rich old white man in a position of power over a woman.

Joe Biden has had a position of power over many women. But I imagine that if I mention that the stereotypical groper (like other molesters and domestic abusers) commits more than a single offense then you're going to claim that is also an "argument from stereotype".

If a baseball game features a pitcher who has a reputation for poor control vs. a pitcher who has a reputation for good control, am I making an "argument from stereotype" if I say that there's a good chance that the first pitcher will walk more batters than the second pitcher?

 

[shemp]

Here's an ex-prosecutor's take on Reade's credibility.

That was an excellent read. Her story is more full of holes than a Swiss cheese. And I didn't know about the Bernie angle. I think I can now dismiss her story without feeling like a hypocrite.

 

[Cain]

Here's an ex-prosecutor's take on Reade's credibility.

He makes some good points.

The Times (and I'm sure others) have been unable to find the complaint she filed with the Senate. "It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed 'the trajectory' of her life."

She's been inconsistent about why she lost the job.

She's retweeted and praised Biden recently.

She's also gone from claiming there was uncomfortable Bidenesque touching to Trumpesque pussy-grabbing.

While there are Democrats who want to ignore these allegations because it's their guy, this case has crystallized the willingness of Republicans to argue in bad faith.

 

[theprestige]

Does any argument that bears on discussing the probability of a necessary component of an event occurring qualify as an "argument by stereotype"?

Yes. Tara Reade isn't a probabilistic distribution. She's an individual human being.

Also, you're begging the question that the incident couldn't have happened if she was wearing hose.

If a baseball game features a pitcher who has a reputation for poor control vs. a pitcher who has a reputation for good control, am I making an "argument from stereotype" if I say that there's a good chance that the first pitcher will walk more batters than the second pitcher?

I'd say that arguments from the data of an individual pitcher's past performance, about that same pitcher's likely future performance, is pretty much the opposite of an argument from the stereotype of pitchers as a class.

 

[shemp]

I mean, Jill Biden should either be his Veep, or else head up the search.

Being his Veep would be a little tricky, because of the first sentence of Article II, Section I, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution:

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves.

Which means that if the Bidens were both on the ticket, and if that ticket won in Delaware, the Delaware electors could not cast their ballots for both of them. This was an issue as recently as 2000, which is why Dick Cheney changed his residence from Texas to Wyoming.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here's an ex-prosecutor's take on Reade's credibility.

But you know, it needs to be investigated.

That's an excellent article which of course matches what I said plus a lot more.

I like this quote:

If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think they're just pointing out that Chris Dodd's history makes this a PR blunder for Biden.

By picking Dodd to head his search for a woman to join his ticket, he now has to explain to people that Dodd was only ever sexual-abuse-adjacent, and that this shouldn't be held against him in his role of finding a woman for Biden.

This seems like an unnecessary problem for Biden to cause himself. Is there really nobody in his professional circle that doesn't require this kind of "yes he was good friends with Weinstein, but don't hold that against him" damage control?

You complain about anything Biden. You might consider being more selective.

 

[Bob001]

I just note that all three network news shows tonight included items about Biden and Reade, including video of Reade making the accusation herself. No one can claim that "the media" are covering this up.

 

[wareyin]

Also, you're begging the question that the incident couldn't have happened if she was wearing hose.

Oh yeah, crotchless hose, that is definitely not something most people are considering. Good call.

 

[theprestige]

You complain about anything Biden. You might consider being more selective.

Where have I complained?

 

[theprestige]

As in it would have been physically impossible for what she described to have happened if she was dressed the way women in her position would have normally dressed at the time.

Oh yeah, crotchless hose, that is definitely not something most people are considering. Good call.

Tell us more about the physics of elastic cloth over bodily orifices.

 

[Sideroxylon]

I just note that all three network news shows tonight included items about Biden and Reade, including video of Reade making the accusation herself. No one can claim that "the media" are covering this up.

Lamestream media!

 

[angrysoba]

Now we know why Biden wants a female Veep!

/JK

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Yes. Tara Reade isn't a probabilistic distribution. She's an individual human being.

Also, you're begging the question that the incident couldn't have happened if she was wearing hose.

So she happened to have a hole in the crotch area of her pantyhose on the very day that Biden decided to grab her. You would agree that the probability of this occurring is low? I understand that nothing is impossible, but my position is that when an outcome requires a number of events that all have a low probability of occurring then the outcome has a low probability of occurring. There are only 2 people who know for sure; the rest of us can only decide what the probability is.

 

[theprestige]

So she happened to have a hole in the crotch area of her pantyhose on the very day that Biden decided to grab her.

Begging the question. Begging a couple questions, actually.

Begging the question that she was wearing pantyhose, first of all. She says she wasn't. Do you not believe her?

Also begging the question that digital penetration of a bodily orifice is physically impossible, if there is a panel of elastic cloth over that orifice.

 

[Delvo]

RGB's replacement

HSV?

 

[Delvo]

Wait... we have people claiming that hose would, or even possibly ever could, have prevented this? What are hose supposed to be made of on the planet Absurdia?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Wait... we have people claiming that hose would, or even possibly ever could, have prevented this? What are hose supposed to be made of on the planet Absurdia?

Welcome to Blue MAGA.

 

[Ziggurat]

Now we know why Biden wants a female Veep!

/JK

And Chris Dodd of waitress sandwich fame is just the man to find her.

 

[Travis]

False accusations against one's opponents' supporters is a bad behavior itself... one which has been uniquely characteristic of a few of the crazier examples of Biden's chess pigeons. I guess that's the kind of desperation move you need to resort to when you're "supporting" somebody that even you can't think of a single actual reason to support.

The only reason I haven't uploaded my library of screenshots of my twitter exchanges that led me to my current acrimony is because so many of them contain banned words. But I'm considering uploading the more moderate ones.


But can I point out that part of my anger is because no one wants to even believe this is a real thing despite so, so many people citing it as their primary reason to dislike the Bernie campaign and some of their incidents (like doxxing, then harassing people that asked questions in town halls) were quite public and done by top Bernie campaign staff. I mean, yeah I got more than most since I was a founding member of the Khive (literally an online friend of mine thought up the nickname) but it has been so widely reported and everyone just keeps going "fake news " that it just deepens the anger by adding layers of frustration.


I mean I can write out a long, detailed essay to document my journey from Bernie Supporter to "extinction is better because spite" if anyone wants to actually indulge my brain droppings. It might be useful if only because these were avoidable mistakes and may have dramatically set back a movement that had a lot of laudable goals.