Biden for President?

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Baylor said:
LOL, and when did this happen? At the time in US history that exists only in your imagination.

Off to google he goes: Queries civil rights activists shot, sees SPLC website, "good enough," he thinks to himself.

"See, this list of 5 black people who the SPLC says were killed for fighting for racial equality in the South is proof I was right!" Hyperlinks to SPLC and no one clicks on it.


Yet another glaring example of, "it's a shame black people aren't like white people."
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I'm not going to engage with your obvious trolling. Try someone else.
 
xjx388 said:
Right. He's been inappropriately touching women for years now, for example. It may not be dementia or a mental illness, but it sure isn't right either, now is it? This is what I'm talking about. The label you put on the behavior is irrelevant; it's the behavior itself that we should be concerned with.
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For crying out loud. That's NOT what you...or we...were talking about. We were talking about dementia and you've picked up the goalpost and moved it across the freaking field. If you want to talk about his "inappropriately touching women" then fine, but that's an entirely different subject.

Biden has not seen a psychiatrist/psychologist, that we know of.Which was done by a Family Medicine doctorHe didn't have an MRI done. He had a CT angiogram in 2014, but that only looks for problems like the aneurysm he previously had. Presumably they did the same kind of cognitive test that was done on Trump and found no issues worth working up further -but that isn't in the actual doctor's report.
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Why should see a psychiatrist/psychologist? Is someone accusing him of having a psychological problem?

Biden had a complete physical exam and the report says he has no history of any neurological disorders. Dementia is a neurological disorder. The doctor found him healthy and fit to " successfully exercise the duties of the Presidency". That would not be true if the doctor suspected any kind of dementia or cognitive disorder.

But let's go back to something more fundamental. Agression towards others, inappropriate touching of women, apparent confusion . . . those aren't good things in a President, right? Why aren't you -and let's try to leave Trump out of it for a moment- a little bit alarmed at those things?
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Wow. Aggression towards others? LOL! So he stood up to a guy who was in his face with a typical male response. Did he push or shove the guy? Did he show any physical aggression? No. You're attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill.

As for his " inappropriate touching of women", even the 8 women said none of it rose to the level of sexual harassment. It included him complimenting a woman on her smile and squeezing her shoulders, holding a woman's hand and touching foreheads which the woman said violated her personal space, a woman thought he was going to kiss her (he didn't), another said he hugged her "just a bit too long" and put his hand on her thigh, he told a 19 yr. old "I bet you're as bright as you are good-looking", etc.

ALL of these events happened in public. which indicates these weren't intentional acts to be inappropriate. Nor are they in any way sexual.

"Apparent confusion". REALLY? Can you show any evidence that Biden gets confused to an abnormal degree? I've already shown that some of his apparent confusion isn't confusion at all according to a speech pathologist. It's a memory lapse due to his stuttering disorder:

I’ve been following practically everything he’s said for months now, and sometimes what is quickly characterized as a memory lapse is indeed a stutter. As Eric Jackson, the speech pathologist, pointed out to me, during a town hall in August Biden briefly blocked on Obama, before quickly subbing in my boss. The headlines after the event? “Biden Forgets Obama’s Name.”
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(The Atlantic)

Am I alarmed by these things? No. But then again, I'm not trying to claim that Biden has dementia or is unfit to be president.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I was addressing your downplaying of the threat, as if the salient question were whether or not Biden could actually take the guy.
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I don't think I was downplaying it at all. I think you are exaggerating it as a real 'threat'. Unless of course, you think Biden actually intended to take the guy outside and beat him up? It was nothing more than male posturing.
 
Mumbles said:
Like I said, the fact that he's been a Dem for decades was a massive factor - probably more important than any other. They basically think the Dems are, at worst, negligent in all but a very few cases. Anything else risks malicious white supremacism. And looking at the past 50 years or so, they're correct to think so.
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I didn't respond to everything you said, but I did read and understand it all. I'm just saying that if the goal is to strive for equality between black people and white people then voting for the guy with a long track record of working towards equality between black people and white people might be a better strategy than voting for the guy who has worked towards increasing inequality between black people and white people and who is still saying things that are, to be kind, questionable (such as that reparations for slavery can be made in part by sending social workers into black people's homes to teach them how to raise their children).

But I understand that people aren't robots and that why people vote how they vote is a more complicated issue than just that.
 
Stacyhs said:
I don't think I was downplaying it at all. I think you are exaggerating it as a real 'threat'. Unless of course, you think Biden actually intended to take the guy outside and beat him up? It was nothing more than male posturing.
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Trump didn't actually intend to punch the protester in the face. Does that make what he said okay?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah almost nobody admits to supporting Trump, they'll just make every effort to make criticizing him difficult.

We have like... maybe 1 or 2 actual Trump "supporters" on this board and a dozen more "I'm not saying I support Trump I'm just going to variously argue, stall, shut down, or be a total tosspot in any discussion that criticizes him."

Trump has an amazing support base for someone that almost literally nobody likes.

Trolls don't have fans, but they do have people running defense for them.
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Xjx isn't a Trump supporter. His posts regarding Biden's alleged dementia, etc are because he's a Sanders supporter.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Trump didn't actually intend to punch the protester in the face. Does that make what he said okay?
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Did I say what Biden did was okay? I said it wasn't a wise thing to do but that it wasn't a real threat. Neither was what you quoted Trump saying. It was male posturing. But Trump has made other statements that did indicate support for others to actually be violent:

He was a guy who was swinging, very loud and he started swinging. And you know what? The audience swung back, and it was very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people, and the audience hit back. That’s what we need a little bit more of,” Mr. Trump said.
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Earlier this month Mr. Trump told supporters who were leading a protester out of a rally in Michigan to “try not to hurt him. If you do, I’ll defend you in court.”
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The US president draws laughter at a Montana rally with advice to 'never wrestle' local Congressman Gianforte, who in 2017 assaulted a Guardian reporter. 'Any guy that can do a body slam ... he's my guy,' says the US president. Trump’s comments mark the first time the president has openly and directly praised a violent act against a journalist on American soil.
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What Trump said and what Biden said are not comparable.
 
Dread Pirate Roberts said:
Call Biden senile if you want, but he wiped the floor with Trump today. The difference in tone, competence, compassion and content was beyond night and day.
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I don't think Trump does compassion. That would mean he would have to think about someone other than himself.
 
xjx388 said:
I have already indicated in this thread that I would be supporting the Dem candidate this election.



In any case, this is addressing me and not my arguments. Try doing that instead.
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"I cannot decide whether to accept information without first knowing what devious intent led you to share it!"
 
xjx388 said:
I have already indicated in this thread that I would be supporting the Dem candidate this election.

In any case, this is addressing me and not my arguments. Try doing that instead.
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Well, it kind of does as it's largely Sanders supporters who are spreading this Biden-dementia line.
 
Stacyhs said:
Well, it kind of does as it's largely Sanders supporters who are spreading this Biden-dementia line.
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No, mentioning what other people have made/are making/will make the same or similar statements is not addressing the argument.

It's an associative fallacy.

The frequency of it is on the rise and in a disturbingly tribalistic way.

"People not in my tribe make this argument, therefore it is wrong and others making the same point are potentially tainted."
 
xjx388 said:
I have already indicated in this thread that I would be supporting the Dem candidate this election.

In any case, this is addressing me and not my arguments. Try doing that instead.
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The point is that IMV it is impossible to separate the two things even if you believe you are.
 
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