Biden for President?

[d4m10n]

How many people in age bracket x have to fall to a global pandemic before it becomes worth putting up Bernie rather than Joe?

I ran the calculations and ended up with a negative value.

Granted, a pandemic should be a time when Americans pull together for the public good, but it's silly to assume that it would be a good time to initiate a total overhaul of the system. If you think the federal government has the surge capacity to abruptly replace all private insurers, well, you have probably never worked here. A far better approach would be targeted programs such as federal reimbursement for private party COVID testing.

 

[Stacyhs]

Surely the question isn't whether the guy thought the threat to be real and that Biden would win in a fight, but whether it's a good thing for a potential presidential candidate to be offering to fight anybody?

Whether it's a 'good' thing or not wasn't the question asked. This was:

Although, it does make me wonder what Dr. Lee et. al. have to say about the mental state of a candidate who directly threatens a voter . . .

Was it a wise thing? Maybe not, although I think some would interpret it as Biden standing up to the guy who was in his face and insisting Biden had said something he had not. The original question was just another attempt to promote the 'dementia' nonsense.

 

[theprestige]

Those are some theories you have there. What you're still saying is that Biden is clearly losing his mind but people are so stupid that they either can't see it or don't care if they do because they'd rather have a doddering, incoherent, drooling Biden in the WH than Sanders.

Maybe they think that even in his current state he has broader appeal than Sanders, and they'd rather have a "doddering... Biden" in the WH than Donald Trump.

 

[theprestige]

Whether it's a 'good' thing or not wasn't the question asked. This was:



Was it a wise thing? Maybe not, although I think some would interpret it as Biden standing up to the guy who was in his face and insisting Biden had said something he had not. The original question was just another attempt to promote the 'dementia' nonsense.

You don't need to be a trained psychiatrist to know when there's something wrong with a politician's brain. Except when you do. Then you totally need to be a trained psychiatrist. Except when you don't.

 

[Childlike Empress]

 

[Stacyhs]

Some of us feel that a person getting "in your face" is an aggressive act of itself, and that it is acceptable to respond in kind.
Further, behaving as if one is "above it all" is easily seen as cowardice disguised as arrogance. Meeting aggression with aggression is rarely appropriate- or productive, but every now and then it is the exact right response.

Agreed. When Trump has promoted violence, he's never had anyone being aggressively in his face and he's encouraged others to do it.

“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kinda guy.”

“If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?” Trump said, drawing cheers and laughter. “Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise. They won’t be so much, because the courts agree with us too — what’s going on in this country.”

 

[Distracted1]

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A swing......
and a miss

 

[Crossbow]

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Was this book recommended by that psychic political adviser who talks to dead people that you like so much?

 

[Stacyhs]

Interesting use of quotations.

Do you believe Bernie got reasonable and unbiased press coverage?

I put it in quotes because that is exactly what a poster claimed. I can take the time and go back and find it for you, if you'd like.

I have not seen unreasonable or biased press. If you have, please post links to them.

 

[xjx388]

Those are some theories you have there. What you're still saying is that Biden is clearly losing his mind but people are so stupid that they either can't see it or don't care if they do because they'd rather have a doddering, incoherent, drooling Biden in the WH than Sanders.

Not only are the public too stupid to see it or care, but there's a conspiracy among the Dem establishment, including the 12 former Biden endorsing candidates, to put a brain addled idiot into the most powerful position on earth.

We also have to believe that Biden's family, wife, friends and doctor know he has dementia but support his candidacy because...reasons. We also have to believe that either Biden doesn't know he is going bonkers or does know and decided to run for POTUS anyway.

Wow. Sounds very familiar to me for some reason . . .

Why did it not matter that just about all of that also applied to Trump?

Do you seriously think that mental health officials professionals

FTFY. They are not officials in any sense of the word.

don't see those same videos? Dr. Lee has already said that she will only speak out (as she did with Trump) when she thinks someone is a danger to the American people and that Biden does not meet that. If that is so, then you must believe that she doesn't think a POTUS with dementia is dangerous.

Has she actually said that somewhere? So you are saying she has already said exactly what I said she would say about Biden?

On the other hand, we have people, mostly Sanders Clinton supporters, who think they can see what so many others can't (or won't) because they can diagnose dementiaNarcissistic Personality Disorder from some videos.

Do those changes make more sense to you? I mean, the irony is actually burning my eyes!

 

[pgwenthold]

I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
In other words, the Progressive vote was nowhere as big as they though it was.

But you should check out Twitter. It's HUGE there....

Oh wait, you said the Progressive _vote_

Nevermind

 

[Mumbles]

I think the whole thesis that the Berniebros here brought forward as proof of how Bernie was the best candidate to beat Trump has just been disproven; the vast number of young voters he would bring out did not even bother to show up in the primaries. and the blue collar workers went for Biden instead of Bernie.
In other words, the Progressive vote was nowhere as big as they though it was.

A lot of younger voters, especially college students, have also been targeted by the GOP for voter suppression - and can't afford to wait in line for 6-8 hours like retired people can, which they'd have to do in states like Michigan, thanks to politicians like Rick "The Flint-Poisoner" Snyder (with a lot of help from Michael Bloomberg).

 

[Segnosaur]

A lot of younger voters, especially college students, have also been targeted by the GOP for voter suppression - and can't afford to wait in line for 6-8 hours like retired people can, which they'd have to do in states like Michigan, thanks to politicians like Rick "The Flint-Poisoner" Snyder (with a lot of help from Michael Bloomberg).

Black voters (who widely support Biden) have also been targeted for voter suppression.

Plus, Biden is beating Sanders by ~20%. A bit much to assume voter suppression is the cause.

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[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs
Those are some theories you have there. What you're still saying is that Biden is clearly losing his mind but people are so stupid that they either can't see it or don't care if they do because they'd rather have a doddering, incoherent, drooling Biden in the WH than Sanders.

Not only are the public too stupid to see it or care, but there's a conspiracy among the Dem establishment, including the 12 former Biden endorsing candidates, to put a brain addled idiot into the most powerful position on earth.

We also have to believe that Biden's family, wife, friends and doctor know he has dementia but support his candidacy because...reasons. We also have to believe that either Biden doesn't know he is going bonkers or does know and decided to run for POTUS anyway.

Wow. Sounds very familiar to me for some reason . . .

Why did it not matter that just about all of that also applied to Trump?

It would if Democrats were accusing Trump of having DEMENTIA instead of NPD and being a pathological liar. Both of which have many mental health professionals publicly stating he suffers from. Where are the professionals stating Biden has dementia?

Originally Posted by Stacyhs
Do you seriously think that mental health officials professionals

FTFY. They are not officials in any sense of the word.

Well, you really countered the point of my argument with that correction.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs:
don't see those same videos? Dr. Lee has already said that she will only speak out (as she did with Trump) when she thinks someone is a danger to the American people and that Biden does not meet that. If that is so, then you must believe that she doesn't think a POTUS with dementia is dangerous.

Has she actually said that somewhere?

Yes, she did and I quoted it and provided the source earlier but perhaps in another thread. But I will do so again:

I do not diagnose without examination and do not speak about public figures in general, unless there is evidence of such profound danger to public health and well-being because of serious signs of mental instability in a public servant, that it would be a public disservice not to share the knowledge and training that I have. Biden has not risen to this threshold…
I never spoke up about a president or a presidential candidate either before or after Donald Trump, and neither have thousands of mental health professionals who have come forth with similar concerns in ways that are unprecedented in U.S. history, for any president of any party. I only speak up when there is a medical need of such great magnitude as to risk the survival of the human species. This is definitively Donald Trump, not Biden. Nor is it Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, or any other false equivalences people wish to create for political purposes.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/06/the-disinformation-campaign-being-launched-against-biden/

So you are saying she has already said exactly what I said she would say about Biden?

No, I am not. Your claim was:

Although, I don’t think we will hear anything so negative from them when it comes to Biden. I’d bet that their opinions about Trump were mostly political in nature and that they won’t speak out about how “dangerous” it might be to have a candidate who directly threatens voters. Time will tell.

#484

Trying to equate the "dangerousness" of a POTUS with dementia to one saying he'll "step outside" with a guy who was in his face is ludicrous.

Originally posted by Stacyhs
On the other hand, we have people, mostly Sanders Clinton supporters, who think they can see what so many others can't (or won't) because they can diagnose dementia Narcissistic Personality Disorder from some videos.

Do those changes make more sense to you? I mean, the irony is actually burning my eyes!

No, they don't make sense because no one has diagnosed Trump because they watched a few videos. Scores of mental health professionals say Trump has NPD due to the fact that he checks off nearly every damn box in the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for NPD. Can you produce one professional that says Biden meets the criteria for having dementia/Alzheimer's? No. On the other hand, the surgeon who performed Biden's brain aneurysm surgery says he sees no sign of diminished capacity in Biden. But what the hell does he know? He's just a doctor.

 

[Elagabalus]

Time to give this derail a rest.

 

[xjx388]

No, they don't make sense because no one has diagnosed Trump because they watched a few videos.

Are you kidding? That’s all they have to go on seeing as how they never met him.

Scores of mental health professionals say Trump has NPD due to the fact that he checks off nearly every damn box in the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for NPD.

And where have they observed him in order to make that diagnosis? Oh yeah...videos.

Can you produce one professional that says Biden meets the criteria for having dementia/Alzheimer's? No. On the other hand, the surgeon who performed Biden's brain aneurysm surgery says he sees no sign of diminished capacity in Biden. But what the hell does he know? He's just a doctor.

Yes: A doctor who has personally examined Biden. That’s the opinion that we should be listening to, not the armchair diagnosticians who’ve only seen these guys on TV.

Then again, do you take the word of the doctors who personally examined Trump as evidence that he doesn’t have some debilitating mental illness? Seems like you should apply the same standard.

 

[xjx388]

Time to give this derail a rest.

We are discussing Biden and his mental health which is germane to his candidacy. There’s going to be some drift in that topic. I would argue vehemently that it’s not a derail but very much on topic.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Time to give this derail a rest.

Do you mean in this thread, or are you talking about Biden's campaign?

 

[acbytesla]

We are discussing Biden and his mental health which is germane to his candidacy. There’s going to be some drift in that topic. I would argue vehemently that it’s not a derail but very much on topic.

I just love it when supporters of the most insane pig on the planet suggest that others like Biden have a mental health issue. I guess Biden is not batcrap crazy enough for you.

 

[dudalb]

I just love it when supporters of the most insane pig on the planet suggest that others like Biden have a mental health issue. I guess Biden is not batcrap crazy enough for you.

And of course it is unfair and outrageous if you dare to suggest that Dear Leadere might have mental issues...