Biden for President?

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xjx388 said:
You have to look at it from the prospective constituent's POV. Biden has shared a stage with Beto O'Rourke and said of Beto: "I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee this is not the last you’ve seen of this guy — you’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort. I’m counting on you. I’m counting on you. We need you badly — the state needs you, the country needs you, you’re the best."

Beto's position on guns is quite clear: He wants to take at least some of them. “[H]ell yes, we’re going to take you’re AR-15, your AK-47. We’re not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore.”

Now, Biden never said he's going to adopt Beto's gun policies wholesale, but I do think it's germane for this would-be consituent to raise the question. Biden had a chance to clear it up with a clear statement that he wasn't considering taking anyone's guns. Instead, he told the guy off and threatened to hit him. I thought the goal was to win voters, not blow them off.
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The "prospective constituent's POV" was informed by a viral video; nobody is under any obligation to bend over backwards and kiss the butt of anyone who won't inform himself any better than that. And Joe told him he supported the Second Amendment- whether that support is in line with what the 2A entitles anyone to is a matter for debate, but Joe did tell him exactly what he thought it did- that it doesn't mean gun-owners can have any gun they want, that living in a society means having to grow up a little and not having a childish hissy fit because you don't get to play with any toy you want no matter who gets hurt- it means limitations, as in the free speech analogy he made. So Joe did indeed "clear it up"; he didn't agree with the guy, but "clear it up" doesn't have to mean agreement. Too damn bad if the guy didn't like what he heard- nobody who bases his ideas of what a politician proposes on a viral video is going to ever vote for Joe anyway.
 
Stacyhs said:
I'm all for that.
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You and many others may be "all for that." But it should be pretty clear that this is a big issue for voters like the one in that video. There are a lot of voters like him that Biden should at least try to correct the record with even if they don't listen.

If you want him to tell off all the "gun nuts" like that, well, I guess that's a strategy he can follow. We will see how successful this tactic is.

Although, it does make me wonder what Dr. Lee et. al. have to say about the mental state of a candidate who directly threatens a voter . . .
 
turingtest said:
The "prospective constituent's POV" was informed by a viral video; nobody is under any obligation to bend over backwards and kiss the butt of anyone who won't inform himself any better than that. And Joe told him he supported the Second Amendment- whether that support is in line with what the 2A entitles anyone to is a matter for debate, but Joe did tell him exactly what he thought it did- that it doesn't mean gun-owners can have any gun they want, that living in a society means having to grow up a little and not having a childish hissy fit because you don't get to play with any toy you want no matter who gets hurt- it means limitations, as in the free speech analogy he made. So Joe did indeed "clear it up"; he didn't agree with the guy, but "clear it up" doesn't have to mean agreement. Too damn bad if the guy didn't like what he heard- nobody who bases his ideas of what a politician proposes on a viral video is going to ever vote for Joe anyway.
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Is there any daylight between "kiss his butt" and "cuss at him" perhaps?
 
xjx388 said:
You and many others may be "all for that." But it should be pretty clear that this is a big issue for voters like the one in that video. There are a lot of voters like him that Biden should at least try to correct the record with even if they don't listen.
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Oh, come on. That man was never going to vote for a Dem. He's clearly of the mentality that the 'gubmin is gunna take mah guns away' and those people tend to vote Republican.

And Biden did try and "correct the record" when he said "I support the 2nd Amendment" and told the worker that he and his son own guns but asked why anyone needs high capacity rounds.

“Here’s the deal,” he then asked the man. “Are you able to own a machine gun?” When the worker replied that “machine guns are illegal,” Biden then said he’d like to ban AR-15s in the same way, prompting the worker to argue about that the two weapons are different, and Biden to again ask whether the worker needs high capacity magazines.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/10/joe-biden-fight-auto-worker-guns-campaign-stop-125020


If you want him to tell off all the "gun nuts" like that, well, I guess that's a strategy he can follow. We will see how successful this tactic is.
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Yes, I do want "gun nuts" (your words, not mine) to be told off like that. When they make false accusations, usually fed to them through right wing media, they need to be told off in language they might just understand.

Although, it does make me wonder what Dr. Lee et. al. have to say about the mental state of a candidate who directly threatens a voter . .
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Why would you care as you think anything that Dr. Lee says is inappropriate and irrelevant unless she has interviewed someone in person?
 
Segnosaur said:
Actually Biden also has significant amount of support from white suburban voters as well. And in he also has the support of Women voters too.
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:jaw-dropp

Do you realize you excluded "women" from the group "blacks?"

This place.....is quite revealing.........
 
Biden just gave an excellent speech.

Hardly that of someone with diminished capacity. Time to give up that pile o' crap nonsense.
 
Distracted1 said:
I am a Bernie Bro now??

Far from it. Testament to my belief that Sanders can't bring us the White House is that I prefer Biden to him even though Biden is clearly getting feeble !. Denying it makes us look like idiots. And since we decided the Primaries were over at %40 in, and Warren had no chance, we are stuck with him.

We need him to pick a running mate now who can be his energetic campaigner, because he should only be in the public eye briefly- and after a very long nap.
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Doesn't look feeble to me. He'd do laps around Trump's fat ass or Bernie's week heart.

But I don't care. I'd vote for a 109 year old on their deathbed than that lying, corrupt, incompetent, POS Trump. So if Biden has a pulse, he's a better choice than Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
Doesn't look feeble to me. He'd do laps around Trump's fat ass or Bernie's week heart.

But I don't care. I'd vote for a 109 year old on their deathbed than that lying, corrupt, incompetent, POS Trump. So if Biden has a pulse, he's a better choice than Trump.
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Biden slipped to where he's only better than 99% of the population at speaking extemporaneously while under intense scrutiny. Instead of 99.9%.

So off to the home, obviously.
 
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