Elagabalus
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Biden for President?
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So you need it spelled out for you?
OK:Dudalb's first quoted post is saying, paraphrased: Say what you will about Biden's health, Sanders has health issues, too.
Dudalb's second quoted post is saying, paraphrased: Raising alarms over Biden's health is doing Trump's dirty work for him.
My post, then, pointed out that raising alarms over Sanders health also does Trump's dirty work for him.
Now do you finally see the point?
As I've said before the Republicans never seem to have a problem getting things done and/or keeping the Democrats from getting things done or forcing them to compromise when they don't have official political power.
There was a two year period about a decade back when the Democrats owned the Presidency and both house of the Senate. We didn't get Universal Health Care or massive Gun reform or any of the other Democrat Party tentpoles during that time, we got compromised versions of some of them at best. Because even without power the Republicans managed to wield political influence.
The whole "We don't control the Presidency, Senate, SCOTUS, and all 6 Infinity Stones therefore we just can't get anything done and shouldn't be expected to" seems to be a uniquely Democratic stance.
There was a two year period about a decade back when the Democrats owned the Presidency and both house of the Senate. We didn't get Universal Health Care or massive Gun reform or any of the other Democrat Party tentpoles during that time, we got compromised versions of some of them at best. Because even without power the Republicans managed to wield political influence.
The whole "We don't control the Presidency, Senate, SCOTUS, and all 6 Infinity Stones therefore we just can't get anything done and shouldn't be expected to" seems to be a uniquely Democratic stance.
d4m10n
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https://www.270towin.com/2020-senate-election/consensus-2020-senate-forecast
Dems would have to hold their own in blue-to-bluish states and pull off wins in AZ, CO, NC, ME. Not impossible, but relatively improbable.
Belz...
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Mine was tailor made for reality.
Segnosaur
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You're right... Biden has lied. On numerous occasions.
If you look at politifact, they can point to over a dozen statements that Biden has made that are listed as 'false' or 'pants on fire'. Even more are listed as half truths.
Looks bad.
But the fact is, every politician has been found to have lied at some point... Even Saint Sanders is not immune, with over a dozen statements that would be considered false.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-sanders/
So how do you decide if a politician is "honest"? If they never have lied? That seems like a rather high bar to set, and nobody would pass that particular test.
Belz...
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Dudalb DIDN'T RAISE Sanders' health as an issue. That's what you completely missed. He only said that if you're concerned about Biden's health it's hypocritical to ignore Sanders'. He's not saying that Sanders shouldn't be president because of his health.
Just as I said. You didn't understand dudalb's point. Thanks for demonstrating it step-by-step.
Segnosaur
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Yes, there are certainly more vulnerable Republican seats than Democrat seats, so there is a glimmer of hope. (But then, admittedly I thought the same thing about the 2018 midterms.)
Collins is extremely unpopular in Maine (thanks in part to her confirmation of Drunky McRapeface), McSally was an appointee who lost the previous election, AND is trailing in the polls in AZ. Tillis is currently trailing his Democratic rival in North Carolina (admittedly with only one poll). And Cory Gartner is in a state that has a slight Democratic lean and is trailing in the polls to the Democrats by 13 points in CO. (Admittedly only one poll there.)
So all 4 of those states are in play. (Admittedly the Democrats are likely to lose Alabama.)
Of course, even if the Democrats don't end up with a clear majority in the senate, a 50-50 split with a Democrat in the white house would still allow them to get things done by using the vice-president's tie breaker.
Yeah nobody bring up the very idea that the 77 year who's eyeball exploded on live TV or the 78 year old who's had a heart attack might not be in good shape. The Republicans never would of thought of that if a poster on the resurrected corpse of a dead skeptic message board hadn't brought it up! It's not like they have a goddamn army of people digging up mud and just making up mud when they can't dig any up.
Jesus goddamn Christ people.
Jesus goddamn Christ people.
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...A boring candidate on the Democratic side might just lull GOP voters into complacency.
It could happen.
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You stil haven't made ANY effort to address it on its own merit.
If your own voters can stay home because you think you'll win easily, then the opposition voters can stay home if they think you'll definitely lose.
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That's really subject to debate, you know. Here's what he actually posted:I stand by my interpretation.
I'm not going to say your interpretation is wrong. I will say you're in no position to claim your interpretation is uniquely right.
What I'm wondering is why you consistently waste my time with such nonsense.
I'm not sure how serious you're being but some people will take you seriously so I should address how dumb this is. "Democrats" aren't choosing Biden because "they think he has a better chance in a general election." "Democrats" are choosing Biden because blacks have an unusually large sway in Democratic primaries and they love establishment Democrats.
Aside from that obvious fact, it's Bernie who has a better chance to beat Trump. Blacks and hispanics are going to vote Democrat regardless of who's on the ticket, and whites in key states are far more likely to vote for/turn out for Bernie than Biden.
eta: ^childless Europeans, see: this is a simple and parsimonious explanation of US political events. Note the absence of "usa left wing is right wing in world fox news nra gop koch brothers brainwash because usa gun violence."
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d4m10n
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Let's test that premise in Michigan tonight.
There are enough blacks in MI to give Biden the victory (haven't even looked at the polls) while Bernie will win the Pacific Northwest, I mentioned this upthread.
Segnosaur
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Actually Biden also has significant amount of support from white suburban voters as well. And in he also has the support of Women voters too.
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In Michigan (for example) in 2016 there were 88,000 "undervotes" - people who voted down ballot, but did not make a selection for POTUS- nearly double the average up till that year.
The Downballot races ended up electing 4 Democrats and 9 Republicans, so it can be assumed that a majority of those undervotes would have gone Trump had he been less repellant. Some of them may even have crossed over to Hillary if she did not have the baggage she had in that region)
Keeping voters like that (right-leaning, but not enamored by Trump) from voting for Trump because the other guy is a "socialist" ( lulling them into complacency) , and even allowing them a centrist option that does not have Clintons' disdain, is the key to takin those few Blue wall States back for the Democrats.
I wasn't defending Biden. I was making the point that the White House itself is posting fraudulent, doctored videos. Even the Trumpers should expect the President to have more integrity than that. Fat chance.
d4m10n
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I assume you've heard of crosstabs.
Belz...
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I stand by my interpretation.
Which is why I say you didn't understand his point. Again, thanks for the demonstration.
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