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Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2
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Beelzebuddy
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That's a good point. bam's argument is basically the same one used to get Biden nominated. By begging the question that it's always the left which must cater to the center (or in this case, the right), it casts progressives as being the unreasonable ones in the debate.
If the True Republicans really are that sick of Trump, surely they'd vote for Biden anyway just to have someone sane to negotiate with. If they aren't sick enough of Trump to vote for Biden, I doubt they'd respond to pandering. Either way it won't matter for them who Biden selects as VP, so he might as well pick someone to help him get his policies enacted and not ideologically spit in his eye.
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Yes, they won all of those by punting. Seriously, just take the L and let that one go.
Probably all of them. Plus they won't kill us down ballot
Mine? Richard Ojeda. He'd be even money to snap during a debate and break Pence in half with his bare hands. I'd enjoy that.
We need more unstable radical pro labor people who can bench 400 pounds in positions of power.
Honestly, I don't care. He has his list. I think Amy Klobuchar would be a spit in the face, and it would be the most Biden thing ever to chose her, but whatever.
Pick a purple state person with a minimum of progressive credibility and call it a day. He's locked himself into picking a woman, so maybe you will get lucky and it will be Shelly Moore Capito. Unity ticket.
Yes, the article is from 2018, lots of things have changed. Romney voted with dems during the impeachment hearings, Kasich has routinely been on TV blasting Trump. Is it a horrible idea if he can find the right candidate who will actively work with him and ensure Trump doesn't win. Who knows where the country will be at election time? Will COVID or martial law make getting to polls harder? Would a reasonably moral conservative anti-trumper be the worst possible choice? What dem VP choice brings more votes?
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You're not capitulating hard enough. Why not McConnell? Or Santorum? Or Pence?
Richard Ojeda sounds like a good man but WV isn't really in play if polls showing Trump with a 35 point lead over Biden are to be trusted. Romney or Kasich deliver more votes than Ojeda.
Biden will already get the anti-trump vote and the left, he needs to ensure that he pulls some centrists and conservatives along to ensure a win. All the better if the VP comes from a swing state - MI, OH, PA would all be great places to look.
Would McCain be more palatable if available? I always admired him even when I didn't agree with him.
Biden will already get the anti-trump vote and the left, he needs to ensure that he pulls some centrists and conservatives along to ensure a win. All the better if the VP comes from a swing state - MI, OH, PA would all be great places to look.
Would McCain be more palatable if available? I always admired him even when I didn't agree with him.
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...(which, incidentally, was addressed even before you posted it)....
No comment, huh? You know, this isn't the first time you've ghosted in the middle of a debate. In fact, it seems to be a habit of yours.
Care to explain why?
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Hey, if that took McConnell out of the Senate, what a deal!
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Choosing a Republican running parter would be a mistake IMO but if it were tried Jeff Flake might do OK. I always hoped Trump would face a primary challenge but that's apparently just not done. Ditto Romney, at least he had a plan for health care and voted to remove Trump from office.
Biden could use a progressive woman, but I'm pretty sure Warren was eliminated moths ago. Dems looking for someone younger, possibly of color. But there could be worse than a Biden-Warren ticket.
Biden could use a progressive woman, but I'm pretty sure Warren was eliminated moths ago. Dems looking for someone younger, possibly of color. But there could be worse than a Biden-Warren ticket.
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It's not a binary choice. A person pissed off that Biden went back on his word probably wouldn't vote for Trump but might not vote for Biden. No, Biden must choose a woman as he said he would. To do otherwise would be idiocy. There are lots of qualified women to choose from.
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I figure selecting any Republican would harm Biden more than help... Since it will cause more Socrates to stay home than Republicans to switch sides. Plus the democrats also have to have an eye on future elections, with the idea that their current vp pic might be the Presidential candidate in the future.
If by some bout of stupidity Biden does decide to pick a republican, he would have to stay away from anyone who has helped Trump's agenda... That includes people who voted to confirm his incompetent nominations and for his tax and health care plans, or against impeachment, since doing so would be a huge middle finger to the Democratic party. (that eliminates flake, since even though he made some anti-trump noise, it was largely meaningless since at the end of the day he voted along party lines ) Romney might be an option (voting for one part of impeachment) but it is still iffy. So, no Republican congress critters. Maybe a gov or well known conservative non-politician.
Still, dumb idea
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McCain would be hard to have on the ballot, and the debates would be a disaster. I can't imagine how having a man who had been dead for 2 years would be a good pick.
Biden can't count on the "left". One needs to look no further than this very thread to see members of the left doing what they can to sabotage his campaign. Picking a member of the other party would not only cause infighting among the centrists and moderate lefties, it would cause more far lefties to stay home or vote 3rd party than we had in 2016.
Currently, the claim that Biden would be just the same as Trump is delusional and worthy of mocking. Biden picking a VP from the crowd that supports Trump and his agenda would legitimize such a viewpoint. The Romneys, Flakes, and even McCains all loudly reprimanded Trump while voting for everything he asked them to, with only 2 exceptions I can think of. Romney voted for one article of Impeachment, safe in the knowledge that it still wouldn't carry. McCain killing the healthcare vote is the only anti-Trump vote of consequence I'm aware of.
Where did the pic come from? Trump campaign? Russian troll?
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One only needs to listen to his **** to understand why. He should get over the line but only because Trump has jumped the shark. But how sad for America that they will not be getting a leader who will address the nations deep rooted unfairness.
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The guy in the next cubicle at our Belarus troll farm.
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And what is the context? Is it suggeing Biden wants trump shot? Protesters shot? Or is someone suggesting Biden be shot?
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Biden put his foot in his mouth the other day, again. He said that cops should shoot in the leg rather than shoot to kill. The obvious meaning being, if and when it's neccesary to shoot, don't shoot to kill.
The Trump campaign, Russian trolls and useful idiots will flog it of course.
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