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They've always been childish morons. "If we can't have our candidate, let the world burn!"
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Cont: Biden for President? Pt 2
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This may sound crazy but in light of George Wills recent column and the dumpster fire nature of the current conservative party what about a pick from right field? Mitt Romney or John Kasich might be willing to try to defeat Trump by running with Biden. Either would probably account for a good 10% of votes from real conservatives who dislike Trump and Kasich would deliver Ohio as a bonus. Both hate Trump and could give Biden a shot at running on a platform of healing the country, embracing American ideals and working together like the "old days"?
A 2018 Forbes article https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwh...omney-ticket-say-it-aint-so-joe/#77f9ee105fc8
A 2018 Politco article - Biden Should Run on a Unity Ticket With Romney - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/11/biden-2020-running-mate-romney-222861
A 2018 Forbes article https://www.forbes.com/sites/billwh...omney-ticket-say-it-aint-so-joe/#77f9ee105fc8
A 2018 Politco article - Biden Should Run on a Unity Ticket With Romney - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/11/biden-2020-running-mate-romney-222861
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It's not the craziest idea... but not Romney or anyone else prominent enough to have had to publicly set aside their principles and kiss Trump's ring. Sure as hell not one of the "moderates" who pretend to maybe possibly be open to voting against Trump's interests just once but then do so anyway every time.
Maybe Larry Hogan? He's an ass, but at least he's still his own ass.
Maybe Larry Hogan? He's an ass, but at least he's still his own ass.
I'd rather have the name recognition but I understand your point. Romney showed some backbone during the impeachment and Kasich has no problem calling Trump out and has done it numerous times. At this point I'd settle for "not Trump" but I'd prefer a reset to minimal civility and actual bipartisanship of some sort to contrast to what's happening lately.
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Yeah, that would never, ever, ever happen with a Republican VP. It would be the "kicking the can down the road" solution that might get Trump out of office but would not make anything else better. For one, you'd need to expect continuous impeachment hearings every single day because the GOP would love their VP getting promoted. It would also reward them for stonewalling in the Senate whenever possible because the VP's only job is to break ties - and which way do you think he'd break them?
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I'm not voting for Biden this happens. Re-registering Mountain Party and moving on. Godspeed peeling off enough Republicans to make this work. They will then laugh in your face when you try to get them to work with you on any positive change or even fixing the carnage Trump has caused. That is how the it worked in the "old days."
Those 10% you want aren't free. Attracting voters that will destroy you in down ballot races while repulsing the ones that support you sounds... stupid. Good luck with the GOP in control of congress. They've been so helpful in the past.
Trump would be worse? Whatever. At some point that appeal becomes more like blackmail than pragmatism. This would be well past that.
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I was thinking of this in conjunction with George F Will's recent column - Trump must be removed. So must his congressional enablers.
I don't disagree that what you're saying could happen, I'm saying that two men could agree to work together and also campaign against the obstructionist members of congress who have completely abandoned any principles to lick Trump's ass AND defeat Trump for the good of the country. They're old enough and rich enough to agree to do the right thing if they want to for the actual good of the country but honestly, getting Trump out is the most important thing. I'd settle for baby steps if necessary.
I don't disagree that what you're saying could happen, I'm saying that two men could agree to work together and also campaign against the obstructionist members of congress who have completely abandoned any principles to lick Trump's ass AND defeat Trump for the good of the country. They're old enough and rich enough to agree to do the right thing if they want to for the actual good of the country but honestly, getting Trump out is the most important thing. I'd settle for baby steps if necessary.
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I don't think you're familiar with modern American politics. Convincing the other party to throw the Presidency just to get Trump out would be giving them and their strategy of total obstructionism the biggest victory they have ever had. They aren't going to budge an inch, because why would they? You're already letting them run things despite them "losing."
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Everyone who was a Republican in 2016 lost their party to Donald Trump. Those that are still Republicans are complicit in his actions, and the ones that had enough shame to change sides should have the humility to just shut up and sit this one out. They've done quite enough.
Of course the likes of George Will likes this idea. They have their Judges and have trashed the regulatory state. Biden on their leash would change nothing and legitimize the status quo.
This is cowardice. This is the worst sort of appeasement. You are so scared of the possibility of four years of Trump that you will debase yourselves to the point of handing everything over to the Republicans. Just get it over with and use "Peace in Our Time" as an election slogan. It will prove as successful as the last time someone used it.
? Obviously I'm familiar with it, I'm advocating for a change. I don't think Biden is the best person for the job but he's better than Trump. If my goal is to get Biden elected and return the country to some sort of normalcy I need to get Biden elected first - what dem VP brings more votes than Romney or Kasich?
eta - Winners punt when it helps them win, sometimes you play for field position in a tough game or you get defeated.
eta - Winners punt when it helps them win, sometimes you play for field position in a tough game or you get defeated.
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Ohio State punts and they've won a lot more games and championships than West Virginia, what dem VP brings more votes than Romney or Kasich? I get your point but I'm currently watching rioting on the streets of my country. Tomorrow night there's a protest scheduled in my area. I need two good people to step forward and inherit a whole basket of problems but it looks like I get Biden and someone else. Who brings the votes? How do we get our country back on track? Who's YOUR VP candidate?
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No ****, I just don't get that. People said the same thing when Clinton was running, she'd be the same 'establishment' POTUS as Trump.
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Is there a limit of who you would vote for over Trump? Or literally anybody at all more redeeming in some small way?
Ted Cruz?
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