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Ed Biden concedes.....

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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-new-laws-wont-end-gun-massacres/?hpt=hp_bn3

Biden concedes new laws won't totally end gun massacres

Vice President Joe Biden, who spearheaded the White House's effort to find ways of reducing gun violence, admitted to reporters Thursday that any measures passed by Congress would fail in totally eliminating gun deaths.
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I think the VP is in denial. The new AWB if passed will do hardly anything to end any gun massacres at all. AWB 2013 leaves the millions of assault weapons and standard capacity magazines purchased in the last two decades in American homes and doesn't do a thing to reduce their numbers.

Ranb

I misspelled Biden's name. Hard to mock the guy when I do that. Can a mod do a spell correction for me please?
ETA; Thanks for the correction. :)
 
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-new-laws-wont-end-gun-massacres/?hpt=hp_bn3

Biden concedes new laws won't totally end gun massacres



I think the VP is in denial. The new AWB if passed will do hardly anything to end any gun massacres at all. AWB 2013 leaves the millions of assault weapons and standard capacity magazines purchased in the last two decades in American homes and doesn't do a thing to reduce their numbers.

Ranb

I misspelled Biden's name. Hard to mock the guy when I do that. Can a mod do a spell correction for me please?
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Will wonders never cease?

No **** Joe! It took you almost two decades to figure it out, you moron?

Maybe his handlers had a word with him after he claimed that a double-barrel shotgun would be the perfect choice, unlike a useless AR-15 (even in trained hands!) in cases of societal collapse like natural disaster.
 
I'm not sure I understand the significance. Is anyone suggesting that the new policies would eliminate all chances of a gun massacre?

Is someone suggesting that that should be the criterion on whether or not a policy is good?

By analogy, bypass surgery does not guarantee that the patient will never experience a heart attack again. Does it follow that we shouldn't therefore do bypass surgeries?
 
When a person suggests that something would "fail in totally eliminating gun deaths" it seems that they are suggesting that it might be successful in eliminating some significant number of gun deaths. I am claiming that if the AWB of 2013 is passed it would do little or nothing to reduce gun deaths.

If making possession of a semi-auto rifle with certain features a crime, but it fails to protect the public, then why do it?

Ranb
 
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When a person suggests that something would "fail in totally eliminating gun deaths" it seems that they are suggesting that it might be successful in eliminating some significant number of gun deaths. I am claiming that if the AWB of 2013 is passed it would do little or nothing to reduce gun deaths.
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Which is a separate issue entirely from what Biden said, though.

If making possession of a semi-auto rifle with certain features a crimes fails to protect the public, then why do it?
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You have to establish that it will "fail to protect the public" first. Crowing that it won't do what even its supporters don't claim it will do does not help with that.
 
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When a person suggests that something would "fail in totally eliminating gun deaths" it seems that they are suggesting that it might be successful in eliminating some significant number of gun deaths. I am claiming that if the AWB of 2013 is passed it would do little or nothing to reduce gun deaths.
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OK. Then Biden conceding that it won't certainly eliminate all gun massacres isn't of any significance then is it? By your reasoning, it's not a concession at all.
 
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By this "logic" we should never invent new antibiotics because there is no chance they will stop all sickness.
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New antibiotics are invented for the benefit of all, or at least those who are not allergic to them. In contrast many gun controls laws only apply to the little people; not the police, military, licensees, government employees and elitist scumbags.

Ranb
 
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You have to establish that it will "fail to protect the public" first. Crowing that it won't do what even its supporters don't claim it will do does not help with that.
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Seeing as how there is no good evidence that an AWB will protect the public, I don't see any problem making the claim.

Ranb
 
Ranb said:
Seeing as how there is no good evidence that an AWB will protect the public, I don't see any problem making the claim.
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I don't take issue with you making that particular claim. Just the idea that it has anything to do with anything Biden said.
 
If Biden had said the AWB would totally fail to reduce gun deaths, then I would agree with him. Instead it is claimed that he merely thinks an AWB would just not be completely successful.

Ranb
 
The only way to end 100% of all human-caused problems is to eliminate all humans, and since extremely few people support such a strategy, we can simply ignore the fact that no other policy would end 100% of any human-caused problem.

Instead, we should investigate which strategies provide better prevention of problems than doing nothing, and which have fewer side-effects than their alternatives. Has such a study been done on this "assault weapons ban" bill?
 
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Instead it is claimed that he merely thinks an AWB would just not be completely successful.
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No, he said nothing at all about how successful he thinks the AWB would be at accomplishing its actual goals.

All he said was that it wasn't going to be able to do something that it wasn't supposed to do and that no one expected it to do. Not outside of strawman arguments, anyway.
 
We need to adopt Australia's gun policies. They worked stop spree killings.
 
Ranb said:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-new-laws-wont-end-gun-massacres/?hpt=hp_bn3

Biden concedes new laws won't totally end gun massacres

Vice President Joe Biden, who spearheaded the White House's effort to find ways of reducing gun violence, admitted to reporters Thursday that any measures passed by Congress would fail in totally eliminating gun deaths.
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So the purpose of the panel was to reduce gun violence, and Biden said it will not eliminate it. How is that conceding anything?
 
Given that rifles are extremely rare in murder cases according to the FBI, WHY is the Obama Administration backing an Assault Weapons ban when they know it does Jack and :rule10 when reducing violent crime?
 
Ranb said:
It means he is conceding too little.
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No. By your statements, it means he's conceding nothing*, which of course contradicts what you said in the OP and title.

You can certainly argue whether or not these measures are good or bad policy, but that's not how you started this thread.

*You said that saying that the measure won't be 100% effective is the same as asserting that it will be largely effective. Such an assertion is not a concession at all.
 
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