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[kevin]

No steel framed skyscraper has ever ENTIRELY collapsed from fire ALONE.

Heh, yeah gravity usually needs to be present too.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I've responded to a heck of a lot, Carnivore. Why don't you pick your favorite, and I'll give it go. In the meantime, do you guys at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that no steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed from fire?

Do you have the intellectual honesty to admit that your theory requires thousands of knowing participants?

 

[kookbreaker]

Q: Just how many skyscrapers have been exposed to fires that were signifigantly out of control?

A: Not many. The only 2-3 examples CT's can come up with are different designs from the WTC buildings, had constant firefighting efforts during their blaze, and were still partially destroyed or had to be destroyed later on. Many skyscrapers may have small fires, but these didn't get out of control. At times, the CT's must lie to boost their position; at least one CT website states that the Meridian building is still standing.

 

[T.A.M.]

Truthseeker

Fire Protection Engineering Article of Building Collapses Due to Fire

I like to quote this one as it has listed as 6 steel structured buildings having collapsed (4 were those involved in 9/11, but that does leave 2 others)...

TAM

Just in case you missed it.

 

[kookbreaker]

Of course fire can make buildings collapse. Fire can burn a wooden framed building into ash.

Q: Steel is automatically a better building material than wood in a fire, correct?

A: Not automatically, some old factories that held heavy equipment were contructed using huge wood beams. These wood beams actually have better survivability than steel. The reason? Wood beams are assumed by many to be fire fuel, but given the nature of the structure (its not like a fireplace) the wood would char, then the layer of burnt wood prevents the core from being consumed. With steel, while it is not flammable, it does conduct heat even with fireproofing. This heat can signifigantly weaken steel, as was evidenced by the sagging metal beams in the Meridian fire.

 

[Dave_46]

1. Forum member Truthseeker has asked in another thread that we do not refer to TruthSeeker1234 by his name.

2. I really wish that I had a copy of a picture I saw years ago showing a timber framed building after a fire, with steel beams softened and draped over charred, but still in position timber beams.

..snip.. Fire can burn a wooden framed building into ash. ..snip..

It demonstrates that a fire can be hot enough to seriously weaken steel before the wood is burned away.

Dave

ETA I see Kookbreaker is making a similar point.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

With steel, while it is not flammable, it does conduct heat even with fireproofing.

Steel is an excellent conductor of heat. This makes it more resistant to fire, not less. When trying to heat up part of an interconneted steel structure, heat is wicked away to the connected parts.

Have we reached a consensus that no steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed from fire, apart from the alleged examples of 9/11?

 

[Arus808]

Steel is an excellent conductor of heat. This makes it more resistant to fire, not less.

That is a false assumption.
Steel, like everything on this planet is susceptible to heat, that would exceed its weakening point.

How THE hell do steel/iron workers BEND steel ? They heat it up to a point they are able to bend it to the shape they need.

Fire, is of course a way of creating heat. Fire fueld by jet fuel can increase the temperature.

When trying to heat up part of an interconneted steel structure, heat is wicked away to the connected parts.

Have we reached a consensus that no steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed from fire, apart from the alleged examples of 9/11?

Again, you reword statemetns to suit your preconceived conclusions.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

The only 2-3 examples CT's can come up with are different designs from the WTC buildings,

Actually, the 1st interstate bank building in Los Angeles is quite like the twin towers - square footprint, tube-within-a-tube steel superstructure, 67 stories.
3 1/2 hour fire, far hotter than WTC, as evidenced by breaking windows. No breaking windows from heat at WTC.

 

[Arus808]

not even a close example. it has a core, and the fire was fought constantly.
The WTC fires were never, EVER attempted to be put out. From the momen the rescue/firefighters arrived on scene, they knew it was from that point on, A RESCUE and evacuation effort.

 

[WildCat]

Have we reached a consensus that no steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed from fire, apart from the alleged examples of 9/11?

So you're one of those no-planes-hit-the-towers CGI/bluescreen guys?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Have we reached a consensus that no steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed from fire, apart from the alleged examples of 9/11?

No. Because, as far as I'm aware, no one is asserting that.

Hve we reached a consensus that the 2006 Ford Mustang is made entirely out of creamcheese and crushed Smurf dolls?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Still wating for any examples from the 100+ year history of steel skyscrapers and fire. Any collapses? Any? Hello? Is this thing on?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Steel is an excellent conductor of heat. This makes it more resistant to fire, not less. When trying to heat up part of an interconneted steel structure, heat is wicked away to the connected parts.

Have we reached a consensus that no steel framed skyscraper in history has ever collapsed from fire, apart from the alleged examples of 9/11?

steel is a good conductor, but i wouldnt call it excellent, heat is not transferred away as fast as your implying

as you cna see in this picture the end of the steel beam is yellow/orange hot, while parts just a few inches are very dark (this cool) and the iron machinery is in no danger of overheating

 

[DavidJames]

No. Because, as far as I'm aware, no one is asserting that.

Hve we reached a consensus that the 2006 Ford Mustang is made entirely out of creamcheese and crushed Smurf dolls?

It's crash test rating must suck.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

C'mon now. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is in on it.

 

[Arus808]

Still wating for any examples from the 100+ year history of steel skyscrapers and fire. Any collapses? Any? Hello? Is this thing on?

since there were only 3 buildings in this world that are considered Steel Skyscrapers, 2 of which (WTC towers) collapsed, then the answer to your question is a "no". Becuase the WTC towers were the FIRST in history to do so. however, they were solely not DUE to fires. A multitude of events caused their collapse.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Still wating for any examples from the 100+ year history of steel skyscrapers and fire. Any collapses? Any? Hello? Is this thing on?

Our little friend sure seems a bit like Killtown, no?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

No. Because, as far as I'm aware, no one is asserting that.

I thought Belz was asserting that. Now, true he said "buildings", not "steel framed skyscrapers". But he said it in response to my statement about "steel framed skyscrapers".

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Ooh, nice picture Default. How do suppose that chunk of metal got yellow hot?

Any examples in history of building fires doing that?