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[TruthSeeker1234]

In response to my statement that fire has never caused a steel framed skyscraper to collapse, Belz has reported something astounding.

Fire CAN and HAS demolished [steel framed skyscapers] before, some even more resilient than the WTC.

Please Belz, link away. List them. This is going to be great.

 

[Pardalis]

Not another thread-starting troll...

 

[realitybites]

Truth, quick question.

Are you under the impression that fire has no effect whatsoever upon steel? That if left unchecked, a fire of any size would do nothing to the strength or integrity of the steel?

Just trying to get a bearing on where you're coming from.

 

[chran]

So Truth, did you contact the Port Authority about the blueprints for the World Trade Center yet?

 

[Dog Town]

This is going to be great.

Just not in the way you think!

 

[twinstead]

Truthy guy, it's impolite to ask people to acknowledge your answers to their claims when you don't give others the same courtesy.

Did you fall asleep that day in manners class?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Just a taste of fire and steel skyscrapers. NOTE: none of these had any additional structural damage incurred to them; such as by a large airliner.

Steel structure of Madrid tower collapses: http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1095

Structural engineers feared collapse of Meridian Tower:

Firefighting Operations Suspended

All interior firefighting efforts were halted after almost 11 hours of uninterrupted fire in the building. Consultation with a structural engineer and structural damage observed by units operating in the building led to the belief that there was a possibility of a pancake structural collapse of the fire damaged floors. Bearing this risk in mind along with the loss of three personnel and the lack of progress against the fire despite having secured adequate water pressure and flow for interior fire streams, an order was given to evacuate the building at 0700 on February 24. At the time of the evacuation, the fire appeared to be under control on the 22nd though 24th floors. It continued to bum on floors 25 and 26 and was spreading upward. There was a heavy smoke condition throughout most of the upper floors. The evacuation was completed by 0730.

http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/meridienplaza_thefire.html

Structural Conditions Observed

Prior to deciding to evacuate the building, firefighters noticed significant structural displacement occurring in the stair enclosures. A command officer indicated that cracks large enough to place a man’s fist through developed at one point. One of the granite exterior wall panels on the east stair enclosure was dislodged by the thermal expansion of the steel framing behind it. After the fire, there was evident significant structural damage to horizontal steel members and floor sections on most of the fire damaged floors. Beams and girders sagged and twisted -- some as much as three feet --under severe fire exposures, and fissures developed in the reinforced concrete floor assemblies in many places. Despite this extraordinary exposure, the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage

http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/meridienplaza_analysis.html

The same holds true for the Venezuela fire:

Concerned that the building might collapse, the fire chief immediately ordered that interior firefighting operations be abandoned.

http://www.nfpa.org/categoryList.asp?categoryID=961&cookie_test=1

Fire and the Ostankino TV tower:

The tower's leaning and its instability due to the loss of more than half the 149 supporting cables, which were an essential component of the special construction of the tower, unleashed fierce arguments over whether the structure would stay standing. For safety reasons, a 700-meter area around the tower was evacuated during the fire-fighting operations. The top of the tower is now leaning almost two meters outside its normal position.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/aug2000/mosc-a30.shtml

 

[Shrinker]

Funny, Belz actually said: "Fire CAN and HAS demolished buildings before."

Was altering his words somehow important to the point you are making?

 

[NickUK]

In response to my statement that fire has never caused a steel framed skyscraper to collapse, Belz has reported something astounding.



Please Belz, link away. List them. This is going to be great.

Not sure if you noticed, but two planes also crashed into the twin towers.

I know it's easy to miss details, so you're forgiven.

 

[realitybites]

We placing bets on whether or not Truth comes back to the discussion? Or is this a page out of the KillTown "Post and Run" handbook?

 

[chipmunk stew]

Funny, Belz actually said: "Fire CAN and HAS demolished buildings before."

Was altering his words somehow important to the point you are making?

TS1234, one thing you're not supposed to do when you use those bracket thingies is change the intended meaning of the quote. That's a big no-no. I can't blame you if you're one of Stephen Jones's students, though. He makes similar blunders.

 

[Psiload]

In response to my statement that fire has never caused a steel framed skyscraper to collapse... ***snip***

Whaaaa?

Is this supposed to be some sort of argument? The Troofers actually point this out like it's supposed to mean something?

Uh... OK...

No city has every been destroyed in a nuclear blast... therefore Hiroshima and Nagasaki were inside jobs. The Japanese government was obviously behind it all.

Bukkaked with stupid once again.

 

[Belz...]

In response to my statement that fire has never caused a steel framed skyscraper to collapse, Belz has reported something astounding.

Please Belz, link away. List them. This is going to be great.

Did I say "high-rise steel buildings" ?

Gosh, you truly have no reading ability at all.

Also, that Windsor building in Madrid would've collapsed completely if it were made of steel. The concrete core was the only thing left standing at the top.

 

[DavidJames]

Funny, Belz actually said: "Fire CAN and HAS demolished buildings before."

Was altering his words somehow important to the point you are making?

Hey TRUTH Person - why would someone with the word TRUTH in their name continually deceive and lie to try and make their point?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Nobody lies like a "truth" seeker.

 

[T.A.M.]

Truthseeker

Fire Protection Engineering Article of Building Collapses Due to Fire

I like to quote this one as it has listed as 6 steel structured buildings having collapsed (4 were those involved in 9/11, but that does leave 2 others)...

TAM

 

[chipmunk stew]

Whaaaa?

Is this supposed to be some sort of argument? The Troofers actually point this out like it's supposed to mean something?

Uh... OK...

No city has every been destroyed in a nuclear blast... therefore Hiroshima and Nagasaki were inside jobs. The Japanese government was obviously behind it all.

Bukkaked with stupid once again.

Are you kidding? Precedence is, like, the biggest smoking gun they've got. If X1 never happened before, X2 is literally impossible.
And if Y1 happened before, it's incontrovertible proof that Y2 happened.

(where, on cursory examination, X1 and X2 are vaguely similar, as are Y1 and Y2)

 

[T.A.M.]

Is this the same truth seeker who came in here looking for an honest debate. And now he has resorted to altering quotes. Misrepresentation, Slander, no need.

tsk tsk tsk...

 

[apathoid]

Hey "truth"seeker1+2=4, How about pointing us to a list of steel framed skyscrapers that were rammed by 150 ton jumbo jets loaded with 80,000 lbs of volatile jet fuel at 500 mph...and then survived. Just one example will be sufficient.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Are you kidding? Precedence is, like, the biggest smoking gun they've got. If X1 never happened before, X2 is literally impossible.
And if Y1 happened before, it's incontrovertible proof that Y2 happened.

(where, on cursory examination, X1 and X2 are vaguely similar, as are Y1 and Y2)

Of course by CTist logic:
P1) My parents did not have any children before me
P2) I was not born before my parents had me
C1) I could not have been born