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Being transgender is hard

Dessi

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For the past few months I've been attending my local PFLAG chapter, because I wanted to be more involved with the gay community, offer support, and such. So far its been an interesting.

In last Wednesday's meeting, we discussed quite a bit about transgender issues. Nebraska is one of the few states where you can be fired for being gay, we've been trying to pass an Employment Non-discrimination amendment to protect people from job discrimination with regard to sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression. Every year, the amendment is shot down because its trans-inclusive -- our local news refers to the amendments as "bathroom bills".

People shared their stories, and the whole episode was frightening:

- Last week, a trans woman went out with a few of her trans friends to a bar. I don't know 100% of the details of what happened, but from what I heard, some man came behind one of the women in the group and held a knife to her throat, held her hostage for several minutes until the police arrived.

- One of parents in the group has a transgender daughter, age 10. This parent is a public speaker, and is preparing some talks on transgender children and their care, relating in particular how all but one endocrinologist is willing to treat her child, how her religious school kicked her child out. Apparently, some parenting blogs have caught on to the news, and refer to her child as a "freak" or an "it", one showed a picture of a rolled up belt with the caption "here's what I'd use to treat my child", another blog used the same caption juxtaposed with an image of a gun.


I was talking to some people after the meeting and learned one of the PFLAG board members has a group to focus on transgender issues. Very interesting, I'd like to learn more, so I got the date and address and decided to check it out.

Including myself, there were 18 people in the room, all of them were women. Most were over 40, some were over 50, there were also two young women under 25. Almost every woman in the group had the same life story:
- got married, had kids
- came out to wife about being tg, marriage destroyed, family estranged*
- came out at job
- lost job, one of the women commented that she was asked to leave minutes after going in for an interview.
- unwanted attention from pervs and tranny chasers
- unable to get insurance
- unable to get a loan

(* One notable exception, I was actually rather happy to see a ciswoman join her trans partner in the group, they've been together for a few years, she was supportive throughout her partner's transition.)

Two women were quite pretty and passed well, unfortunately most of the other did not. The problem? Money.

I did not realize the insane cost required to transition:

- $14000 to remove facial hair. (200 hours * $70/hr electrolysis)
- $25-40K out of pocket for facial feminization surgery.
- $25-50K out of pocket for gender reassignment.
- $1-2K per year for hormones and endocrinology visits.

Most of the women were unemployed or working low-income jobs. (One commented that she turns off the heat during the winter and save $150 a month on gas, that's 2 more hours of electrolysis.)

Most woman get by through cross-living -- that is, they present with their birth-assigned gender at work or certain occasions, and as women the rest of the time.

One woman talked about the phrase "gender dysphoria", its the clinical term used to describe the feelings transgender people have. She explained to me that the expression is a euphemism for the vicious hell endured by watching your body physically and mentally mutilate itself -- and you can't do anything to stop it.

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In spite of that, most of the women had positive experiences. Almost all of them had an increase in personal happiness following transition or cross-living, a few had successful on-the-job transitions.

I don't really have anything profound to say in this thread, except transgender people have it really hard, I'd love to do more to support their community.
 
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I'll agree that the life is undoubtedly difficult, expensive (depending on effort), and filled with self-image hurdles.

Let's hear it for the brave. My hope is that one day people can feel free to be people doing people things in a diverse world.
 
A bit OT, but I do love that term "cis-woman". The first time I saw you use it I thought you were just being very witty in a one-off sense. However, is this a generally used term?

If so, kudos.

Rolfe.
 
A friend of mine told me on the phone that he was in the middle of gender reassignment surgery. It was all a bit fraught, because I'd phoned him to tell him that a mutual friend who had been suffering from post-natal depression had killed herself. I guess we were both unravelling a bit.

What to say but, "welcome sister"? It helped that she had a unisex name and didn't change it. I won't say she passes perfectly, but we're all used to her now. The funny thing is, she said she was planning on being a lesbian, but that didn't last more than ten minutes, and she has had a number of male partners since then (I'm talking 15 years here, this wasn't last week).

I don't think she had half the problems you enumerate above, but I think the NHS provides at least some of the necessary surgery. And maybe she had more problems than I'm aware of. Not a great situation to be in, really.

Rolfe.
 
A bit OT, but I do love that term "cis-woman". The first time I saw you use it I thought you were just being very witty in a one-off sense. However, is this a generally used term?
It might be a regional term, I'm not sure, but I've seen it in pretty much universally in every English-speaking trans community on the internet.

There's another term I see a lot, gg, for "genetic girl/guy", cute word :)
 
Wow. pretty high up on the list of tough rows to hoe has got to be being transgender in the flyover states.

Even here in NC, where same sex marriage is illegal by statute and a vote to make that part of the constitution will be on the 2012 ballot, employers have to make accommodations for transgender employees and discrimination against transgender people is illegal.

I'll echo Monkety Ghost's remark in hoping that someday soon people can learn to get along a bit better in an increasingly diverse world. even in Nebraska!
 
I had a transgender stay in my house when I lived in South Korea. He (who was becoming a she and from here on I will refer to this person with the female pronoun) was adopted as an infant and raised in Germany.

She ran into all kinds of problems in Korea. The adoption agency totally ignored her requests for information regarding her birth parents on the grounds that the parents would be 'upset'. She was harassed and kicked out of taxis once the driver discovered she was transgendered.

Korea is a pretty conservative country and make America seem very far forward in this regard.

I don't understand how you can hate someone for wishing to change their gender or why that would be grounds for denial of a loan other than bronze-age mythology induced hatred.
 
And in the US things are relatively easy. I have heard that in many other countries it's an impossibility to be yourself; it's a life of hiding and shame and secrets and risk.

this reminds me of going to a meeting with a bisexual girl I was dating, and I was shocked at how tough the stories were. I recall thinking it would be interesting and coming away from it a little angry and re-examining what "freedoms" means and how easy I have things.
 
The mother of a ten-year-old transgender girl in Worcester has told how adults, rather than children, taunt and harass her daughter.

The 36-year-old woman, who has not been named to protect her daughter’s identity, told the Worcester News that while the girl’s classmates had largely accepted her, other parents and adults had not.

The ten-year-old was born physically male and has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Her family took the decision over the summer to allow her to return to school as a girl and say her headteacher has been “fantastic” about the issue.

Her mother, who said the child had shown signs of being transgender at two, said her daughter was called a “freak” by an adult when she went to a local shop during the summer.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/09/12/mother-of-transgender-girl-says-adults-not-children-taunt-her/
 
Yep, that's her. Lovely woman, sweetheart daughter :)

Apparently, the woman had problems with schools due to the "bathroom issue". Her daughter was bullied more by adults than other students, I don't know too many details but I'm aware some parents told their kids not to play with the woman's daughter, they told her daughter to use the boy's room, harassed the mother for "encouraging her son to wear girls clothes", said she should have her kids put in protective custody. Some people can be outright nasty.
 
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It must be a lot easier to make the transition as a child. I gather it's extremely difficult (if not impossible) to persuade doctors in Britain to agree to this, though. Or at least, it was the last time I watched a documentary about it. The idea seemed to be that a child may just be going through a rebellious phase, and must go through puberty and become an adult in his or her biological sex before anything will be considered.

Rolfe.
 
I guess, also, it's a lot easier for trans men. The trans men I've seen on TV documentaries have all been 100% convincing. If I ever met one in real life, I wouldn't know. A lot more difficult for many of the women though.

Rolfe.
 
Almost all of them had an increase in personal happiness following transition or cross-living
I, on the contrary, imagine that gender change leads to a decrease in personal happiness in the long term, compared to just getting their head right and living as who they biologically are*.

(* biologically obscure gender cases are not included in the statement)
 
I, on the contrary, imagine that gender change leads to a decrease in personal happiness in the long term, compared to just getting their head right and living as who they biologically are*.

(* biologically obscure gender cases are not included in the statement)

And you base this on.....?
 
Apparently, the woman had problems with schools due to the "bathroom issue". Her daughter was bullied more by adults than other students, I don't know too many details but I'm aware some parents told their kids not to play with the woman's daughter, they told her daughter to use the boy's room, harassed the mother for "encouraging her son to wear girls clothes", said she should have her kids put in protective custody. Some people can be outright nasty.

You will at least admit it's a tricky situation, right?

There's no excuse for bullying or any such thing, but I hardly think it's unreasonable for parents to (for instance) not want their daughter to shower with a boy after gym class.
 
I, on the contrary, imagine that gender change leads to a decrease in personal happiness in the long term, compared to just getting their head right and living as who they biologically are*.

(* biologically obscure gender cases are not included in the statement)


I was actually interested enough to read a little bit about this before commenting, and if sources online are to be believed, "getting their head right" is rarely if ever possible.
 
I was actually interested enough to read a little bit about this before commenting, and if sources online are to be believed, "getting their head right" is rarely if ever possible.


My friend told me of having been bullied out of making the move earlier, by a doctor who felt like that. She said she very much regretted having given in to the bullying, because she was a lot happier once she'd made the decision to change. Like, she could actually sleep.

Rolfe.
 
Where does such hatred come from, that an adult picks on a child who is "different" ?

Is it fear that society will break down if we allow the same rights to everyone regardless of skin colour, sexuality or creed?
 

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