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Being bullied

So were you a bully yourself?

Only once. I was at a bush party and the captain of the basketball team decided that he was going to beat the crap out of the captain of the chess team. (ETA: Sorry, he was the president of the chess club, not captain of the team.) When the jock said to the geek, "I don't care if you want to fight! I want to fight so there is going to be a fight!"

I said, "Well, I like to fight. How about you fight me."

He declined but I goaded him into it by insulting his manhood in front of his girlfriend to the point where he felt he had no choice.
 
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You have it backwards. You get bullied and she fell off a cliff. I wouldn't ask your advice on how not to get bullied or hers on how not to fall off a cliff. :D
Thank you. Now I know you are here just to troll. Cue ignore list:).
 
I learned that if you confront one bully, all the others will back off - permanently.

I hate bullies with a white hot passion. If I see someone getting bullied, I almost always step in. I can't seem to help myself.


I have two friends that grew up being bullied. As adults they both make it a practice to protect and come to the defense of those being bullied.

On another forum that I post on I was being harassed and stalked by a lunatic. They saw what was happening and went after him. I didn't know either one of them at the time but have since become very good friends with them. I have met one of them in person.

Even though I am fairly good at taking care of myself they both still keep an eye on me and jump in when they think someone is getting a little too tough on me.

They both say that it has been a way for them to get revenge on those that bullied them.
 
Only once. I was at a bush party and the captain of the basketball team decided that he was going to beat the crap out of the captain of the chess team. (ETA: Sorry, he was the president of the chess club, not captain of the team.) When the jock said to the geek, "I don't care if you want to fight! I want to fight so there is going to be a fight!"

I said, "Well, I like to fight. How about you fight me."

He declined but I goaded him into it by insulting his manhood in front of his girlfriend to the point where he felt he had no choice.
Actually you were protecting the weaker person. Thats not the same as bullying.
 
For those who underestimate the impact of bullying on the ability of a child to live his or her life, I can only quote Shakespeare: He jests at scars who never felt a wound.

Bear in mind that these jeers, insults, physical assaults, hammers hitting are not occasional, they are constant. You are required to be in school, and school is where the abuse happens. You are required to spend time with your abusers.

It must be so much worse today, with social networking. At least in my day you could escape into your room. Now the bullying pursues you even there.

As to a world view, perhaps those who underestimate the impact of bullying had a wide and rational world view at thirteen. I, for one, did not. I thought that as things are, so they will ever be. Most of the thirteen year olds I knew then and know now were and are the same.
 
School size shouldn't be that much of a surprise, when you think of it. It means the teachers have a better overview, and that there's fewer students to keep track of. Contrast this with a big school where students have plenty of classes, teachers and classrooms.

That was the counterintuitive result: there was less bullying in bigger schools. The larger the classroom, the less bullying.

I would have reasoned just the way you did, but according to the study it's wrong. Surprising.
 
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Well, obviously bullying is an evolved human behaviour. When it happens to you you see it as a negative behaviour and put the negative "bully" label on the person doing it.

I think most of the posters here see bullying as a negative behavior when it happens to anyone.

When somebody wants something or, wants you to do something, they will try and get it or, get you to do it. One method is to bully and guess what, it works quite effectively.

Indeed. Some people are ******** and will stoop to such things to get what they want.

And don't pretend that it is only on the school ground or that it is limited to uneducated brutes. Bullying happens everywhere in society. The police officer who shows up in uniform to discuss an "issue" with his kid's teacher. The lawyer who uses their company letterhead to jot a note to the store where they feel were "mistreated." Etc. They are all bullying tactics and they are used because they work.

You're conflating occasional exploitation of positions of power with the systematic, constant abuses that many adolescents are made to suffer. The latter is obviously what this thread is about, and it typically does occur on school grounds with uneducated brutes as the aggressors, yes.
 
That was the counterintuitive result: there was less bullying in bigger schools. The larger the classroom, the less bullying.
That is indeed quite counter-intuitive. Maybe it is the many classrooms that makes the difference? Bullies getting to spend less time with each potential victim?
 
That is indeed quite counter-intuitive. Maybe it is the many classrooms that makes the difference? Bullies getting to spend less time with each potential victim?

Maybe it is that the larger the classroom the more likely someone is to come to the aid of the person being bullied.
 
I think most of the posters here see bullying as a negative behavior when it happens to anyone.

That is not what I meant. What I meant was that the behaviour is more likely to be called bullying when it happens to you or even more likely when it happens to someone you love, like your children.

The thing is, that behaviour is useful in everyday life but it is not always classed as bullying. What we call bullying is just the more obvious use of it which is usually when there is a physical threat or, actual violence, but the behaviour is the same.

Indeed. Some people are ******** and will stoop to such things to get what they want.

Agreed but we humans are not so different. We all tend to the same behaviour just in varying degrees. When I want to teach children about predators I teach them the tactics predators use and then have their parents take them shopping for appliances, electronics, used cars, etc. The reason is not that predators hang out at these places, it is that high pressure sales people use the same tactics as predators do. It is an easy way for see the techniques in action and recognize when they are being used on you.

Some people only see bullying as someone threatening them in order to gain status or power, as was mentioned earlier. However, it isn't the threat that gains them the status, it is the showing their physical strength and willingness to use it.

There are other ways to gain status in a group. Being very smart, or very funny, can do the same for you. But what about when a very smart person runs down someone who is weaker intellectually than they are, isn't that bullying as well? Have one kid remind another that they are smarter, constantly, for years and I bet you get the same psychological issues that people who are threatened with physical violence everyday suffer.

Bullying is a behaviour.

You're conflating occasional exploitation of positions of power with the systematic, constant abuses that many adolescents are made to suffer. The latter is obviously what this thread is about, and it typically does occur on school grounds with uneducated brutes as the aggressors, yes.

In my experience, bullies come from all backgrounds. All bullying is the exploitation of a position of power. The traditional bully is exploiting his physical position of power over a weaker person. No matter where they learnt the behaviour, they are practicing it through bullying.

The point I am making in all this is that you or I don't have the time to retrain bullies but we are often the ones who have to deal with them. I don't care what makes them tick, I don't care where they learnt the behaviour, and i don't care what form it takes, I only want to be able to effectivley counter it.

Bullying is just another form of conflict in society. The better you are at handling conflict the better able you are to live a happy life.
 
Well, let me see. I have never allowed a bully to torment me and I have never had an ongoing issue with one . . . not from lack of trying on their part.

On the other hand, several people here are seen as experts and yet they seem to have had a lot of issues with bullies, issues that affect them for their entire lives . . . so, yeah! I think I have something to add here.

There are two people in this equation, the bully and their target. The target plays a major role both in how they deal with the bully and in how they deal with the aftermath. They can choose to be proactive, address the problems and go on and enjoy their lives or they can choose to continue being the victim.

It is really easy for people to tell a child that "bullying shouldn't happen" but that doesn't give a child any skills to deal with it when it invariably does happen. It is like telling your daughter that date rape shouldn't happen so she shouldn't worry about it happening to her. Or worse yet, telling her to wait until it does happen and report it to someone who doesn't want to hear about it.

I think education is always better. Learn the skills required to deal with the problems you are likely to run into in life and help your children learn them too.
OK, let me run this past you 'cause you are not paying attention:
1) At least three times persons attempted bullying me (I did not state why: I was, and am overweight, wore glasses and am very intelligent and did not have any problem showing it as well as my my disdain for certain forms of incompetence.) The three times, the other person assumed that meant I could not fight. They were and are wrong. I also point out, where appropriate, that a fight lasts about 3-10 seconds unless the people are extremely well matched or they are playing. There is no such thing as a fair fight - I will move "unfairly", strike "unfair" places, use "unfair" objects - I do not play if I have to fight - but I don't work to draw them.
2) Most people cannot do that - due to lack of training or temperament. Expecting them to is unfair, harassing or believing less of them because of it is unfair.
3) people have different backgrounds and reasons for what they do and can do and can't do. From my attitude about bullies, you could easily assume I was bullied - but as described and correct, I wasn't (well, not successfully). But I will give you part of the reason, but only part: Lee Ying, Kitty Genovese. I decided at a pretty young age that the only way to handle certain situations was to disable or kill the assaulter. Since elementary school I worked to find out how to turn/use normal objects as weapons(developed "sap" gloves long before I saw them made for police use- first pair in 5th grade) (which led to some other useful discoveries like unusual fixes for car problems - which helped my father realize I was bright in useful ways).
4) But that is me. People are different, have different skills,have different results from things other people do, are affected differently by different occurences. You really need to get that. Just get over it really is a callous response to a real problem.
 
I feel a little guilty saying this, but I actually feel better to know that other people went through the same stuff and understand. All the crap on TV and stuff about bullying suggests that everyone grows up, gets over it, and there are no lingering wounds. It makes me feel better to know I'm not alone in still hurting. I knew other people had the same or worse than I did, but I always kind of assumed that it wasn't normal to hold grudges or still be angry. Wrathful bitterness loves company! And it's pretty awesome company, actually. Those stupid bullies had no idea how cool we would become, or how cool we probably were then if they weren't too vicious to notice.

I had some bullying growing up. It's amazing what a punch to the face does to make them rethink things though. Growing up later it drove me to take up martial arts and similar pursuits and that helped me with dealing with it. Experiences may vary though.
 
Well, I know I never have (:p), but I at least know how to be professional at work.

Well, when my father calls me a 50-year-old teenager, I do remind him that growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional. Still, like you, I know how to be professional at work.

Besides, aside from the years when I worked in collectibles, I've worked in employment and workers' compensation law!

I wish I could have intervened for myself, but I didn't dare. I must have this job. There are no others available to me right now. So I can't let myself do anything that might jeopardize it. I didn't even want to complain about this incident, but decided I couldn't live with myself if I just passively accepted this. So, I complained. I will likely lose my job over it, eventually. As soon as everyone forgets... But for my own sake, at least I said something and didn't just swallow.
From what I understand, you're in a temporary position with the census, so the job will end no matter what, yes? And standing up for yourself is not a cause for termination (unless you broke some rules doing it).

But at least the other thing my friend and I complained about--the effigy that same supervisor had made from office materials and hung on the wall, mocking the intelligence of another grunt in the office--was finally removed. It had hung there for about two weeks, but no one dared remove it, since the supervisor or her suck-ups would have seen us.
Something like that should get the supervisor fired, and fired for cause. Did anyone take a picture of it? Had I seen something like that, I would have torn it down and left it on the BOSS' desk with a note about who put it up and asking why was it left there for two weeks.

But then, I have issues with bullies.

I know this is going to make some people laugh, but almost all the lawyers I've ever worked for have been pretty decent people. There was one lawyer, though, who was a bullying creep. He once THREW a file at our file clerk and told her to put it away. He actually threw it. In front of me. I picked up the file and threw it right at him - hit him with it, actually. I told him to NEVER do that again to anyone or I would complain to the law firm's owner (a lovely gentleman who wouldn't even let clients be rude to us). And I didn't even like the file clerk! But decency is decency.

That idiot lawyer was fired a couple of months later - to the sadness of no one.

BTW, just a hint - at least here in CA, stress can be an injury in a work comp claim. I'm just saying . . . .
 
We moved when I was eight. There was an established, and very accomplished, bully in my new class. All the others were so happy not to be her victims any longer, that no one did anything to stop her from tormenting me. Some helped her, some were just passive. (A few of them have sought me out later to tell me how sorry they are now that they did nothing.) I was in no way prepared to deal with this. Up until I met her, I had had lots of friends, and had actually been very popular. Her bullying, and the passivity of the others, quickly convinced me that there must indeed be something seriously wrong with me. Why else would this happen? That is why I didn't tell them at home. They loved me so much, and thought I was so wonderful, and if I told them, they would know that I was really awful and useless. I didn't want them to know that...

Life in school was hell. I was clever, precocious and interested in everything, and that was turned against me by her. I was often ill, and she always managed to use my time away to malign me even more. My father died of cancer when I was ten. It's still hard to think of the extra torture she added to that.

I made a suicide attempt when I was 13, a cry for help, because of her. But I didn't tell anyone the reason for it. My mother thought it was the death of my father, and puberty, that triggered the attempt. I got help, but since I didn't tell them, not any help for what was really wrong.

There was nothing wrong with me. Don't misunderstand, even if there had been, that would not have been an excuse to bully me, not at all, I'm just saying this because many people seem to think that there is something in the victim that releases this kind of behaviour. I was, in fact, a very nice child. I looked nice. I was even good at sports. It was just a case of meeting someone who would always find a victim. And this, I think, is true for many, many (if not all) of those who have been bullied.

Her bullying continued for the seven years we were in the same class, and she actually continued afterwards as well, spreading strange and disgusting rumours about me all through our high school years, even though we went to different schools.

Some of you seem to think that we are responsible for the behaviour of the bullies; "do this, don't do that, and it will stop". We are not in any way, shape or form responsible for what happened and for what the bullies did to us. They are. They behaved abominably, that is their responsibility, just as it is the responsibility of the robber/rapist/murdererer what they do to their victims. The word victim in itself is not in any way derogatory, it is a simple description of someone who has been the victim of the actions of someone else. That is what we are. Do not try to lay the blame on us. If you do, you become part of the bullying.

And fighting back is most certainly not always the answer. I tried to do that a couple of times. It backfired badly.

I was lucky, and could eventually put it all behind me. It took a few years, but I managed. Perhaps because I had other groups of friends the whole time; summer friends, friends from my hobbies and so on, perhaps because of my wonderful family. I don't know if that was what made me able to distance myself from it. Perhaps it was the realisation that the only way I had of not letting her ruin my life any longer was to move on completely.

But I know that I was lucky, and that it is far from possibe for everyone to do this. If you are systematically bullied during those formative years, the risks of premanent damage are certainly great. I can easily understand those of you who hate your tormentors still. Hating you abuser is seems quite a sane reaction to me.

And I also feel a bit better for reading about those of you who have been bullied as well. You reinforce my conviction that it isn't our fault. How could it be? So many of the posters here that I admire and like have been through it; LibraryLady, TragicMonkey and so many more of you. I don't know about cause and effect here, but it seems clear to me that it happens to the nicest people...
 
And I also feel a bit better for reading about those of you who have been bullied as well. You reinforce my conviction that it isn't our fault. How could it be? So many of the posters here that I admire and like have been through it; LibraryLady, TragicMonkey and so many more of you. I don't know about cause and effect here, but it seems clear to me that it happens to the nicest people...

“I have learned silence from the talkative, tolerance from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strangely, I am ungrateful to these teachers”

Kahlil Gibran quotes (Lebanese born American philosophical Essayist, Novelist and Poet. 1883-1931)
 
Am I the only one who went to a school where the popular kids were smart? The class president, prom queen, etc, were all in AP classes with me. In my high school at least, there wasn't a real bullying problem. I went to a 2,000 person public high school, but it wasn't very cliquish. You could be a football player who hung out with a gay math geek and you wouldn't lose your social status over it. But I would say the least popular kids were all pretty, frankly, stupid. The most popular kids were almost all AP students who were in things like the chemistry or Latin club.

Maybe I went to a different kind of school...

My high school was a lot like this. The valedictorian for my class (2004) and the one before it were both football players.

I'm a little bit surprised to hear that so many people here had problems with bullies because as far as I can tell it wasn't a problem at my high school. I don't recall seeing anybody being bullied. And this is a big public high school with nearly 3000 students.
 

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