BBC now admits al qaeda never existed

Interesting how he actually blames the victim for being killed...

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I noted how Simon had previously stated that air hijackings will not go as smoothly now given the events of 9/11 and the fact that the passengers of flt 93 attempted to overcome the hijackers.. Yet in the case of the Achille Lauro he derides the idea that a wheelchair bound passenger might not want to sit idly by. Of course he may very well have known that his actions might see him killed and of course he did know that he could in no way take on armed men physically.

It is possible that he planned on having the PLO kill him. The entire episode garned a huge amount of bad press for the PLO, LK might have understood how the world would see the killing of a man in a wheelchair. this thought is all speculation on my part but its more likely than Simon's pushing of the notion that Mrs. Klinghoffer killed her husband for insurance money. A notion that Simon was quite willing to entertain for some unexplained reason.

Of course my stated intent on bringing up the episode in the first place seems to have flown, or been willfully pushed, over Simon's head. The point was that Simon was decrying the security measures in place since 9/11 and stating that it would not occur again and that in his mind should not have happened in 2001 either.

That notion flies in the face of the FACT that terrorist actions have been occuring for decades, that there IS one incident of multiple coordinated aircraft hijackings in the past, that mass killings have been taking place for deacdes now as well, even coordinated truck bombings in several countries, and that to say that Arabs cannot advance in the measures they use, cannot manage coordinated attacks is simply mind boggling. The cognitive disconnect is astounding.

The ONLY thing that a terror group needs is logistical support and in the form of the cabal headed by OBL, one such group got that support. The idea was not OBl's it was brought to him and the planning set in motion by brining together others that could help. Such a thing takes years to develop.

Simon laughs at the attempts made in the name of Jihad and AQ since 9/11. All single person attempts. So far no hint of a secretive coordinated mass attack again. Could it be that the security measures in place for 11 years now have disrupted the ability to plan and carry out such attacks?

I am no fan of the Patriot Act or the equivalent in my own country. I do however not care at all that I have to now produce a passport to enter the USA from Canada (all I needed in the past was to state I am a Canadian and have a driver's licence available IF asked to show an ID), I do not mind having to show photo ID to board an airliner within Canada( I use my passport) , I do not mind being told to make sure my bags are not out of my sight prior to checking them in, I do not mind if my flight is delayed because a piece of luggage was loaded and the passenger has not boarded the plane.
 
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You might want to be concerned if being obnoxious gives others a license to kill... or a license to kill without invoking your sympathy, at any rate.

You are, after all, doing your best to be quite obnoxious to Holocaust victims and their families. If your vitriol inspires someone to track you down and bust a cap in your butt, should we all just dismiss it... "Hey, he was mouthing off to people who are known to be both armed and nationalistic... can't really sympathize with him."

When "being obnoxious" becomes a capital offense, we'll have discovered a cure for the over-population problem.

(Note to potentially trigger-happy mods - this is a hypothetical, and in no way meant as a threat.)

I think its a good point. Simon has stated he has no sympathy for LK because Leon was lettinmg armed men know exactly what he thought of them. Yet Simon has no qualms about being equally obnoxious concerning the Holocaust in a hugely public forum. It would be probable that there are armed people reading his posts who would be quite willing, given a chance, to solve their problem with Simon the way the PLO solved their's with Leon.
Would Simon, confronted by such a person sit back and muse, "its a fair cop!"?
 
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If anyone avoids the Holocaust thread, I understand why. If you want an example of the "obnoxiousness" being referred to here, you could read this post from Simon666 in that thread. I'm not even going to paraphrase it here.
 
There should be an equivalent to Godwin's law. Somehow I pointed out Klinghoffer was probably murdered for being a jew, then I am the anti semite instead of the terrorists that allegedly killed him. Maybe the suggestion that his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money will come across better.

Based on your numerous antisemitic posts, yes. Pretending otherwise is deceitful.

I think its a good point. Simon has stated he has no sympathy for LK because Leon was lettinmg armed men know exactly what he thought of them. Yet Simon has no qualms about being equally obnoxious concerning the Holocaust in a hugely public forum. It would be probable that there are armed people reading his posts who would be quite willing, given a chance, to solve their problem with Simon the way the PLO solved their's with Leon.
Would Simon, confronted by such a person sit back and muse, "its a fair cop!"?
Interesting how he would exhibit such loathing for a man who stood up to evil.
 
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Originally Posted by Simon666 There should be an equivalent to Godwin's law. Somehow I pointed out Klinghoffer was probably murdered for being a jew, then I am the anti semite instead of the terrorists that allegedly killed him. Maybe the suggestion that his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money will come across better.
Based on your numerous antisemitic posts, yes. Pretending otherwise is deceitful.
Its actually irrelevent WHY LK was killed. He was KILLED by Islamic militants who hijacked a cruise ship. The entire POINT that Simon ducked in order to let it fly well over his head, is that it was a hijacking of a large ship, period, end, stop!

We had been debating whether or not Islamic groups were capable of large operations. Simon's first irrellevent point was that this hijacking saw only one dead and that their next attack had no one die. It seems Simon was equating body count with 'large scale'. In fact had the underwear or shoe bomber plans worked then perhaps Simon would have considered a couple hundred dead even though it was carried out by one man.

Fact is the PLO hijacked in order to make demands such as the release of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

The new breed of terrorism goes for high profile attacks and simply has a stated goal of ridding the Islamic Holy Land of western influences and particularily, US military bases. They will not hijack anything and announce their demands threatening to kill the passengers. Not any more. Instead they will kill the passengers and wreck the plane even if it requires that they commit suicide doing so (and there would be a scenario in which suicide is not required in which they hijack the plane to say, Somalia, telling the passengers that they will be released then after landing, kill them all, blow up the plane, and walk away). The western heads of state know what the goal of AQ and related groups is, or they should since its been annonuced for a couple of decades now.

But mass killings aren't even required, the attack on the Cole was small scale but effective in blowing a hole in an American warship. No Islamic terror group has the technology or firepower contained on one medium sized modern warship yet they managed to smite the great Satan. Its that kind of very visible show of Jihadi strength that they are trying to demonstrate. They do not want American warships in the Gulf, so poke a large hole in one and ride that PR in the Islamic public.

But Simon chose, willfully, to first deride the dead then deride the people who killed him. Seems Simon does not consider either Arabs or Jews to be worthy.


Interesting how he would exhibit such loathing for a man who stood up to evil.

In most circles a man who stands up to armed men knowing full well that he may be killed, would be considered heroic.

The Black Americans who sat at whites only lunch counters, registered to vote, attended college against open and outright prejudice with death threats and in fact killings, would be similar. IMHO
 
If anyone avoids the Holocaust thread, I understand why. If you want an example of the "obnoxiousness" being referred to here, you could read this post from Simon666 in that thread. I'm not even going to paraphrase it here.

Disgusting. He ought to be ashamed of himself from the top of his head down to his jackboots.
 
But mass killings aren't even required, the attack on the Cole was small scale but effective in blowing a hole in an American warship.
IIRC, Bin Laden said on tape even they were surprised at how effective (body count) the 911 attacks were.
 

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