BBC now admits al qaeda never existed

Clayton Moore said:
Notice the obligatory CRYING ANTISEMITISM?

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There should be an equivalent to Godwin's law. Somehow I pointed out Klinghoffer was probably murdered for being a jew, then I am the anti semite instead of the terrorists that allegedly killed him. Maybe the suggestion that his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money will come across better.
 
Simon666 said:
I am an anti semite now why? Pointing out that Leon Klinghoffer was killed for being a jew? I should have even denied that, it is not like jew is written on someone's forehead.



So there were other jews on board? Why weren't they killed then? Maybe it is true after all his wife pushed him overboard for the insurance money.
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Oh, your point was that it was a terrorist attack, just as I said it was was that your intent?
Or was your intent to suggest that the hijacking for political purposes went wrong when one or more of them went a little crazy because a passeger decided to harrange his captors. All just a tragic mistake. The hijackers only killed because they are were an incompetant gang-who-could-not-shoot-straight.

Sorry if I misunderstood your actual intent to say that Arabs are stupid for anti-semtitism, which you reserve for other threads.
My bad.
 
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The hijackers only killed because they are were an incompetant gang-who-could-not-shoot-straight.
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And I am supposed to be the one making insensitive comments?

The next day, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers singled out Klinghoffer, a Jew, for murder, shooting him in the forehead and chest as he sat in his wheelchair. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard. (...) PLO Foreign Secretary Farouq Qaddumi said that perhaps the terminally ill Marilyn Klinghoffer had killed her husband for insurance money
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Klinghoffer

An autopsy showed that Leon had died by drowning, and not by the bullets that had been fired into him.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8692
 
I am trying to have you explain your point in the post I took exception to.

My point in bringing the incident up in the first place was to point out that such a highjacking had taken place and there is no reason to assume it cannot happen again.
You then seem to be trying to minimize the event by some means. I have now guessed two separate motivations to do this and you seem to be denying both of them.
Ok, explain yourself so no one needs to surmise what the H your point is.
 
jaydeehess said:
You then seem to be trying to minimize the event by some means.
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Of course, you seemed to portray the hijacking of the Achille Lauro as an example of previous grand scale international terrorism. I pointed out it is not, balance was one dead who I can not feel sorry for if accounts that I have read that he was being obnoxious to terrorists are true, and balance of the next biggest attack by the same group on an Israeli beach was zero dead. Now I am even reading it's even possible his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money. In any case the whole affair stinks, being allegedly shot in the chest and forehead and still dying from drowning?
 
You don't consider that taking of a cruise ship large scale, say in comparision to a car bomb?
You assume that anyone choosing to also hijack a cruise ship will not learn from the AL hijacking, or take it to another level?
You choose to ignore the report that LK was shot and that others were forced to push him overboard because the PLO said it might have been his wife? A terminally ill woman needs insurance fraud money?

Again, explain yor desire to minimize this event please.
 
I note you have no compassion for Leon while having said that air hijacking is less likely due to passengers will take action.
Personally IF Klinghoffer chose to tell the hijackers exactly what he thought of them I commend him for doing so. His wife is ill, he is wheelchair bound, he may have decided he might as well speak, what did he have to lose?
Obvious he could not take them on physically
 
As opposed to certain other parties, which claim they're not while applying self-contradictory double standards to the Joos which they have admitted don't apply to anyone else in the entire world.
 
Simon666 said:
And I am supposed to be the one making insensitive comments?

The next day, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers singled out Klinghoffer, a Jew, for murder, shooting him in the forehead and chest as he sat in his wheelchair. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard. (...) PLO Foreign Secretary Farouq Qaddumi said that perhaps the terminally ill Marilyn Klinghoffer had killed her husband for insurance money
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Klinghoffer
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Why did you leave out the part of the article that explains that the PLO later admitted responsibility for the hijacking and Klinghoffer's murder, formally apologized, and paid his family a financial settlement?



Simon666 said:
Of course, you seemed to portray the hijacking of the Achille Lauro as an example of previous grand scale international terrorism. I pointed out it is not, balance was one dead who I can not feel sorry for if accounts that I have read that he was being obnoxious to terrorists are true, and balance of the next biggest attack by the same group on an Israeli beach was zero dead. Now I am even reading it's even possible his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money. In any case the whole affair stinks, being allegedly shot in the chest and forehead and still dying from drowning?
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It is not possible that his wife pushed him overboard. She wasn't even present when he was murdered. The terrorists killed him out of her presence and lied to her, saying that they'd sent him to the ship's infirmary. She only learned the truth after the terrorists had left the ship.

It's not strange or suspicious that he died of drowning instead of the gunshot wounds. Gunshot wounds to the head and chest are not necessarily instantly fatal. It all depends on the exact location of the wound. He probably would've bled to death but was drown before that could happen.
 
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jaydeehess said:
Robrob writes:Notice the slight hint of antisemitism creeping into his posts?
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Clayton Moore said:
Notice the obligatory CRYING ANTISEMITISM?

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Hint??
Crying??

Isn't it obvious now?

Simon666 said:
Achille Lauro: Loud mouthed tourist thinks because he sits in a wheel chair that terrorists won't hurt him. Said tourist is jew and apparently jew trumps wheelchair so said tourist finds out wheel chairs are not flotation devices. Balance: one dead due to drowning.
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Interesting how he actually blames the victim for being killed...

Now I am even reading it's even possible his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money. In any case the whole affair stinks, being allegedly shot in the chest and forehead and still dying from drowning?
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1) Feel free to present anything supporting your claim.

"PLO Foreign Secretary Farouq Qaddumi said that perhaps the terminally ill Marilyn Klinghoffer had killed her husband for insurance money." An off hand comment by someone who wasn't there and is the PR flack for a terrorist organization, that's not exactly a "fact."

2) Your inability to understand normal, ordinary, everyday reality boggles the mind.
 
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Robrob said:
Interesting how he actually blames the victim for being killed...
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He's an internet tough guy. Goes with the territory. If HE were on a cruise ship taken over by terrorists, though, things would turn out differently. It would probably be like Bruce Willis in Die Hard.
 
carlitos said:
He's an internet tough guy. Goes with the territory. If HE were on a cruise ship taken over by terrorists, though, things would turn out differently. It would probably be like Bruce Willis in Die Hard.
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Reality rarely has as good a script writer.
 
Simon666 said:
There should be an equivalent to Godwin's law. Somehow I pointed out Klinghoffer was probably murdered for being a jew, then I am the anti semite instead of the terrorists that allegedly killed him. Maybe the suggestion that his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money will come across better.
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Simon, why don't you ever capitalize the word Jew?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Rumsfeld is shown explaining mountain fortress(s) of Al-Qaeda.

The US bombed the crap out of it and found NOTHING.

The Brits with their experience with IRA terrorists were going to find Al-Qaeda. The found no Al-Qaeda members and killed no Al-Qaeda members because there were no Al-Qaeda members to be found because there was/is no Al-Qaeda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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except they did exist and still do. Your premise is offensive.
 
Simon666 said:
Of course, you seemed to portray the hijacking of the Achille Lauro as an example of previous grand scale international terrorism. I pointed out it is not, balance was one dead who I can not feel sorry for if accounts that I have read that he was being obnoxious to terrorists are true, and balance of the next biggest attack by the same group on an Israeli beach was zero dead. Now I am even reading it's even possible his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money. In any case the whole affair stinks, being allegedly shot in the chest and forehead and still dying from drowning?
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Leaving aside the lurid nonsense are you seriously suggesting this wasn't major incident just because the loss of life was so low? The point others are trying to get across is that such an incident could happen again and we might not be so fortunate, there were after all plenty of plane hijackings before 911 in which passengers and crew were held hostage and eventually released or rescued.
 
Simon666 said:
Of course, you seemed to portray the hijacking of the Achille Lauro as an example of previous grand scale international terrorism. I pointed out it is not, balance was one dead who I can not feel sorry for if accounts that I have read that he was being obnoxious to terrorists are true, and balance of the next biggest attack by the same group on an Israeli beach was zero dead. Now I am even reading it's even possible his wife tossed him overboard for the insurance money. In any case the whole affair stinks, being allegedly shot in the chest and forehead and still dying from drowning?
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You might want to be concerned if being obnoxious gives others a license to kill... or a license to kill without invoking your sympathy, at any rate.

You are, after all, doing your best to be quite obnoxious to Holocaust victims and their families. If your vitriol inspires someone to track you down and bust a cap in your butt, should we all just dismiss it... "Hey, he was mouthing off to people who are known to be both armed and nationalistic... can't really sympathize with him."

When "being obnoxious" becomes a capital offense, we'll have discovered a cure for the over-population problem.

(Note to potentially trigger-happy mods - this is a hypothetical, and in no way meant as a threat.)
 
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