Merged Barry Jenning's Tale

[Galileo]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting. An hour and a half from 11:58.57 (interview time) puts the time at 10:28 the exact minute of the WTC collapse.

Estimating times is very difficult under stressful situations, you should cut him a little slack. An easier way to estimate chronologies, is to frame them around significant events, like plane impacts, huge interior explosions, and building collapses. That is what Jennings and Hess have done in setting to huge interior explosion to be after the 2nd plane hit and before the 1st building collapse.

 

[CTM]

I'm not going to watch Jenning's vido over again but doesn't he say towards the end when he was talking about having to get out and away from the building that it would be a big problem to him because he had a problem with his knees and difficulty in walking? If he had some kind of arthritis in his knees that would slow him down a lot in going down stairs. I have this problem in one of my knees and can only go one step at a time with my affected knee leading so that it doesn't have to bend and cause pain. I'm pretty sure he said "knees" because I remember relating this to my situation. If both of his knees were giving him trouble it would be even slower. If the lights were out that would make him even more careful because he wouldn't want to risk a fall. I was in a highrise apartment building once when the power went off and my husband went down the stairs to the manager's office to ckeck out what was happening. He said it was total darkness in the stairwell and produced a kind of disorienting feeling.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Estimating times is very difficult under stressful situations, you should cut him a little slack.

Could you please explain that to some of your fellow conspiracy theorists? I've been getting the impression that the current official truther position is that stress enhances clarity of recollection, meaning that timings that disagree with our knowledge of what happened on 9-11 are therefore reliable to the second. Now you're saying that timings that disagree with the conspiracy theory may be more than half an hour out because stress makes timings difficult to estimate. Maybe you should sort out this disagreement within your movement.

Dave

 

[eeyore1954]

MirageMemories
Zarillo's testimony has to put the evacuation of the OEM around 9:30 .
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110161.PDF


So Jennings had to arrive after that.

I think Catalano talks about being in the lobby after the evacuation of the building. They didn't notice any explosions or fires .

http://www.iuoeiettc.org/Old files/Old PDF files/Responding to Horror_WTC.pdf

Is there any fire department mention of fires before the collapses in WTC 7. you would think if the fire department had tried to rescue Jennings before the collapse but had to run away there would have been reports of the fires.
There is no photo evidence of fires before the collapse

There are others who were in the building around 9:30 and later no mention of explosions.

I am pretty sure Mr Hess says he they left after the power went out but the video is no longer there.

All evidence points to Mr Jennings timeline being incorrect except for his. The logical conclusion is he was mistaken.

 

[Miragememories]

"I'm not going to watch Jenning's vido over again but doesn't he say towards the end when he was talking about having to get out and away from the building that it would be a big problem to him because he had a problem with his knees and difficulty in walking? If he had some kind of arthritis in his knees that would slow him down a lot in going down stairs. I have this problem in one of my knees and can only go one step at a time with my affected knee leading so that it doesn't have to bend and cause pain. I'm pretty sure he said "knees" because I remember relating this to my situation. If both of his knees were giving him trouble it would be even slower. If the lights were out that would make him even more careful because he wouldn't want to risk a fall. I was in a highrise apartment building once when the power went off and my husband went down the stairs to the manager's office to ckeck out what was happening. He said it was total darkness in the stairwell and produced a kind of disorienting feeling."

Barry Jennings:
"When we reached the 8th..uh, the 6th floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way.
There was an explosion.
And the landing 'gave way'.
And we were, I, was left there hanging.
I had to climb back up.
And now I had to walk back up to the 8th floor."

46 year old Barry went through a lot that day.

No where has he said he had a chronic knee problem.

Certainly, given his weight and all he went through that day, it's not too surprising that he might complain of sore knees.

MM

 

[~enigma~]

No where has he said he had a chronic knee problem.

Nobody but you used the word chronic. Enjoy building strawmen much? BTW, look again at this part of the interview...

But before that, this big giant police officer came to me.
And he says "you have to run!"
I said "I can't run my knees are swollen."
He said "you'll have to get on your knees and crawl than!"

BTW, guess who transcribed this? Wonder why he conveniently forgot about it?

 

[eeyore1954]

Miragememories
In these other interviews does he mention being trapped before the collapses? Maybe he does I do not know.

Barry Jennings gave an interview to News 7 on 9/11.
On an unknown date he was interviewed by News 12.
On an unknown date he was interviewed by the 911 Commission.
On an unknown date he was interviewed by NIST.
In mid2007 he gave an interview to Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas.
In February 2008 he gave an interview to the BBC.

In none of the publicly available interviews (3), has Barry wavered on the
critical aspects of his story.

Originally Posted by eeyore1954
"you do not know what testimony they got from Hess. but didn't he say they left when the lights went out?"

No he did not.

He said he left after someone on the phone instructed him to.

Do you have any links to Mr Hess' testimony?

 

[Miragememories]

"Zarillo's testimony has to put the evacuation of the OEM around 9:30."

Well Richard Zarrillo himself makes statements warning the interviewer that his time estimates are quite uncertain.

Extracts from EMT Richard Zarrillo's WTC Task Force Interview October 25, 2001:

pg.3
EMT Richard Zarrillo:
"I'm not sure of the exact time, but I believe as we were coming over the Brooklyn Bridge was when the second plane hit the second tower."

pg.5
EMT Richard Zarrillo:
"Again, times are a little fuzzy initially for me."

pg.7
EMT Richard Zarrillo:
"Again, it's sketchy with time, but it may have been anywhere from ten to 20 minutes by the time we found an emergency exit to get out of the building."

pg.13
Interviewer Question: "After the second collapse?"

EMT Richard Zarrillo: "Well, if I say 15 minutes from the time we
got to that school building and started walking towards Chelsea, maybe ten, 15 minutes had passed by the time that --"

Interviewer Question: "Half an hour?"

EMT Richard Zarrillo: "Again, I do apologize for that."

pg.14
EMT Richard Zarrillo: "Time wasn't --"

Interviewer Comment: "There's no perception of time."

EMT Richard Zarrillo: "It's still very surreal."

Zarrillo indicated that he and Captain Abdo Nahmod were in the OEM EOC for as little as 5 minutes before getting the order to evacuate.

His questionable memory and the rough time estimates, if accepted, could have
him leaving the OEM EOC as early as ~0910-0915.

"So Jennings had to arrive after that."

It would appear that Zarrillo and Jennings were not there at the same time.

How is it possible for Barry Jennings to have arrived at WTC7 shortly after, say 0920 and not know about the dramatic Boeing 767 crash into WTC2, which occurred 17 minutes earlier?

For the 'sake of argument', we'll assume Barry was as you suggest, some how 'mistaken', and that the crash occurred earlier than he thought. That his actual arrival at WTC7 was around 0920 and not prior to 0903 as he believed.

Barry said he made a few phone calls during which time he was told he must leave immediately.

Say we allow him 10 minutes.

To accept the NIST version of what transpired, we have to allow him 39 minutes, which NIST says puts him outside at the 23rd floor elevator in time for the WTC2 collapse.

Also, if you accept the NIST version of where Jennings and Hess were when WTC1 collapsed, it would be 1 hour and 8 minutes from the time of their arrival at the OEM EOC to the time they arrive at the 6th floor stairwell landing, 17 floors below.

Of course NIST is working with their own unexplained estimates that declare the OEM EOC was evacuated at 0944 which 'pigeon holes' the Jennings and Hess arrival at approximately 0949 (allowing for evacuation), 10 minutes before the WTC2 collapse.

"I think Catalano talks about being in the lobby after the evacuation of the building. They didn't notice any explosions or fires."

Reading through Catalano's statement a few things immediately catch my attention.

First of all, it's important to note that his statements and others, are part of the fully edited publication RESPONDING TO HORROR, with all the interview material completely cleaned up. The interviews are not 'raw' and they are not told in their entirety.

He states that he and his men were on the 47th floor when WTC2 was hit, and that
they descended via the crowded staircase to the 3rd floor lobby (44 floors down) very quickly.

Mike Catalano:
"The staircase was packed. People were evacuating on their own. It was very orderly. We had fire drills every month. They didn’t evacuate the whole building; they evacuated to certain areas. People knew where to go and they were going. We made it down in minutes. Now we’re at the third floor lobby."

Mike Catalano:
"I met up with our head of security, Pete Mulroy — he went back in the
building after the towers collapsed and got trapped in there and they had to
bring in a hook-and-ladder fire truck to get him out."

[After WTC2 collapses.]

"I am pretty sure Mr Hess says he they left after the power went out but the video is no longer there."

Mike Catalano:
"We went up one floor, to the cafeteria on the
4th floor. There are windows everywhere but you can’t see out them
because a cloud has engulfed the building. It’s pitch black.
All of a sudden lights come on. Nine generators all start. They have 30
minutes of fuel to run."

Mike Catalano:
"I said, “We’re not dying in here.” That’s when we decided. We
wrapped our faces with wet towels and we went out the staircase with all the
smoke. We couldn’t get to the other one."

"All evidence points to Mr Jennings timeline being incorrect except for his. The logical conclusion is he was mistaken."

The logical conclusion is that he was somewhat mistaken, but by as much as 50 minutes, almost a whole hour, as NIST suggests?

MM

 

[CTM]

I went back and looked at the video again today. At 7:13 he talks about his swollen knees. At about 7:30 he says he that as he was walking away to safety he was looking for an ambulance for his knees.

 

[eeyore1954]

Did the firefighters who went to rescue Mr Jennings ever mention that the WTC 7 was on fire before the collapses. Did anyone else notice it was on fire before the collapses. The "explosion" was strong enough to take out the staircase did any of the other people who were still in the building before the collapses notice it.
Zarillo does know he was in transit and thinks he was crossing the bridge when the second plane hit at 9:03. So he drove to the building parked got out walked to WTC 7 went up to the 23rd floor and after 5 to 10 minutes left.

 

[Miragememories]

I went back and looked at the video again today. At 7:13 he talks about his swollen knees. At about 7:30 he says he that as he was walking away to safety he was looking for an ambulance for his knees.

No where does Barry suggest that his knees have ever been a previous issue.

He gave ample cause for having swollen knees on 9/11.

Have you ever smashed your knees against a hard concrete surface like the WTC7 staircase steps?

Barry said he had to hold himself up by grabbing a staircase a pole [railing] when the 6th floor explosion destroyed the stairwell landing he had just reached.

MM

 

[~enigma~]

No where does Barry suggest that his knees have ever been a previous issue.

He gave ample cause for having swollen knees on 9/11.

Have you ever smashed your knees against a hard concrete surface like the WTC7 staircase steps?

Barry said he had to hold himself up by grabbing a staircase a pole [railing] when the 6th floor explosion destroyed the stairwell landing he had just reached.

MM

You did graduate from the Alex Jones School of Strawman Building For Boys. Could you kindly point out where CTM said anything about the prior condition of Jennings knees?

 

[funk de fino]

No where does Barry suggest that his knees have ever been a previous issue.

He gave ample cause for having swollen knees on 9/11.

Have you ever smashed your knees against a hard concrete surface like the WTC7 staircase steps?

Barry said he had to hold himself up by grabbing a staircase a pole [railing] when the 6th floor explosion destroyed the stairwell landing he had just reached.

MM

I thought it was the 8th floor? I thought he was blown back and not left hanging?

Barry needs to make up his mind. Did he not also say he had to be carried out the building? Through a big hole in the building caused by the collapse of the towers which left the lobby looking liker king kong had trashed it. If he had sore knees he was not rushing down them stairs was he?

His story is all over the place.