You are confused. The Barry Jennings uncut video settles everything, the explosion was before either of the towers fell. Jennings is very clear on that.
You are wrong Galileo. There were no explosions inside WTC 7 before the collapses of the towers. If you had paid attention to all the witness accounts from inside WTC 7 that I have posted you will now that nothing happened to WTC 7 before the tower collapses. The collapse of WTC 2 broke several windows on the south face of WTC 7 and cut the power in the building. The collapse of WTC 1 caused severe structural damage to parts of WTC 7 while starting several fires in the building. Outside WTC 7 the collapse of WTC 1 started several car fires.
What Barry Jennings experienced on the 6th floor landing and the damage he described after entering into the eighth floor was caused by the collapse of WTC 1.
To put it another way, there would have been numerous witness accounts if what Jennings described occurred before either tower collapsed. But there is none since what Barry Jennings experienced was the collapse of WTC 1. Barry Jennings's timeline is wrong.
You are wrong Galileo. There were no explosions inside WTC 7 before the collapses of the towers. If you had paid attention to all the witness accounts from inside WTC 7 that I have posted you will now that nothing happened to WTC 7 before the tower collapses. The collapse of WTC 2 broke several windows on the south face of WTC 7 and cut the power in the building. The collapse of WTC 1 caused severe structural damage to parts of WTC 7 while starting several fires in the building. Outside WTC 7 the collapse of WTC 1 started several car fires.
What Barry Jennings experienced on the 6th floor landing and the damage he described after entering into the eighth floor was caused by the collapse of WTC 1.
To put it another way, there would have been numerous witness accounts if what Jennings described occurred before either tower collapsed. But there is none since what Barry Jennings experienced was the collapse of WTC 1. Barry Jennings's timeline is wrong.
You make claims that are unsupported. You claim others should have heard the explosion. We have not seen the testimony of each person who was in WTC 7 on 9/11, so how could you know no one else heard?
We have thousands of reports of explosions from 9/11, how do you know none aren't refering to the explosion heard by Hess and Jennings?
You are wrong. You have no business implying 9/11 first responders Hess and Jennings are liars. You weren't there, they were. They told us what happened. If it doesn't fit into your worldview, then so be it, but please refraim from your unamerican slander against victims of 9/11.
You are wrong Galileo. There were no explosions inside WTC 7 before the collapses of the towers. If you had paid attention to all the witness accounts from inside WTC 7 that I have posted you will now that nothing happened to WTC 7 before the tower collapses. The collapse of WTC 2 broke several windows on the south face of WTC 7 and cut the power in the building. The collapse of WTC 1 caused severe structural damage to parts of WTC 7 while starting several fires in the building. Outside WTC 7 the collapse of WTC 1 started several car fires.
What Barry Jennings experienced on the 6th floor landing and the damage he described after entering into the eighth floor was caused by the collapse of WTC 1.
To put it another way, there would have been numerous witness accounts if what Jennings described occurred before either tower collapsed. But there is none since what Barry Jennings experienced was the collapse of WTC 1. Barry Jennings's timeline is wrong.
you do? Then you wont have any problem listing your sources.
You are wrong. You have no business implying 9/11 first responders Hess and Jennings are liars. You weren't there, they were. They told us what happened. If it doesn't fit into your worldview, then so be it, but please refraim from your unamerican slander against victims of 9/11.
You make claims that are unsupported. You claim others should have heard the explosion. We have not seen the testimony of each person who was in WTC 7 on 9/11, so how could you know no one else heard?
We have thousands of reports of explosions from 9/11, how do you know none aren't refering to the explosion heard by Hess and Jennings?
You are wrong. You have no business implying 9/11 first responders Hess and Jennings are liars. You weren't there, they were. They told us what happened. If it doesn't fit into your worldview, then so be it, but please refraim from your unamerican slander against victims of 9/11.
You make claims that are unsupported. You claim others should have heard the explosion. We have not seen the testimony of each person who was in WTC 7 on 9/11, so how could you know no one else heard?
We have thousands of reports of explosions from 9/11, how do you know none aren't refering to the explosion heard by Hess and Jennings?
You are wrong. You have no business implying 9/11 first responders Hess and Jennings are liars. You weren't there, they were. They told us what happened. If it doesn't fit into your worldview, then so be it, but please refraim from your unamerican slander against victims of 9/11.
God bless Barry Jennings for the amazing and heroic work he did on 9-11. He is an American hero. His actions may have saved hundreds if not thousands of lives.
But, unless Barry Jennings has X-Ray vision, there is absolutely no way he could have known the explosion he felt was not the collapse of the 1st tower or debree from the 2nd plane strike.
The question that must be asked of him is: why is he so insistant that his explosions occured before the collapses? what does he have to gain by suggesting his explosions were not from the collapses? is he somehow involved with the truth movemant in a financial or political way?
these are questions that Barry Jennings must answer. I suggest we confront him about this.
God bless Barry Jennings for the amazing and heroic work he did on 9-11. He is an American hero. His actions may have saved hundreds if not thousands of lives.
I agree that some clarification from Mr. Jennings would be helpful, but I don't think confronting him would be the right way to go about it.
It's obvious from Avery's 911blogger post that Mr. Jennings reads Prisonplanet. Perhaps he might want to post here, at the LCF or maybe he has a website/blog of his own.
You make claims that are unsupported. You claim others should have heard the explosion. We have not seen the testimony of each person who was in WTC 7 on 9/11, so how could you know no one else heard?
We have thousands of reports of explosions from 9/11, how do you know none aren't refering to the explosion heard by Hess and Jennings?
No my claims are well supported by other witnesses, reports and images. The only thing you got is Barry Jennings's faulty timeline and faulty interoperation of events in the interview made by the Loose Change Crew.
At about 2:30 into this part of the interview Barry Jennings describes how he broke the window on the eight floor and looked outside and saw buses and police cars on fire. This was before the towers collapsed according to him.
Just to show you how wrong Barry Jennings are you should take a look at the following photographs.
The first one is Figure 5-13 in the FEMA report on WTC 7. It shows the street at the east side of WTC 7 some time after the collapse of WTC 2, but before the collapse of WTC 1. An area Barry Jennings should have be able to see from the eight floor. Note that there is no burning vehicles at this time.
Next you should take a look at Figure 1-95 in the leaked draft report on WTC 7 named "WTC 7 chapter Pitts.doc" here. It shows the same scene after the collapse of WTC 1. Note all the burned out cars. In addition you can look at Figure 5-18 in NIST NCSTAR 1-8, it shows a close up of the now burnt out fire truck from the picture in the FEMA report. Then take a look at at Figure 1-101 and 1-102 in the same report. In Figure 1-102 you can see the window that must have been broken by Barry Jennings. And both shows a burned out bus and police cars. Exactly as Barry Jennings describes. The fact is that Barry Jennings correctly describes the destruction caused by the collapse of WTC 1 outside WTC 7 on West Broadway.
Are you still going to claim that this occurred before both towers collapsed as Barry Jennings claims Galileo? If you still are, I have to point out that the burnt out bus outside 30 West Broadway in Figure 1-102 was not there when the second plane hit WTC 2. As you can see in this video filmed from the corner of West Broadway and Barclay Street when WTC 2 was hit. At 0:39 into the video there is clear shoot of 30 West Broadway at the corner of West Broadway and Barclay Street just after impact:
So does vehicle fires outside WTC 7 could not have been started by debris from the impact of Flight 175 either. That leaves us with just WTC 1. Anything else would have been big news and widely reported.
As I have pointed out before the Michael Hess interview from 11th september 2001 contradicts parts of what Barry Jennings says. And it is fully consistent with the sequence of event placing Barry Jennings and Michael Hess on floor 23rd inside WTC 7 at the time of the collapse of WTC 2: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3835890#post3835890
How can Barry Jennings claim that both buildings were standing while at the same time claim that there was nothing there at 5:00 into this part of the interview made by the Loose Change Crew:
No my claims are well supported by other witnesses, reports and images. The only thing you got is Barry Jennings's faulty timeline and faulty interoperation of events in the interview made by the Loose Change Crew.
At about 2:30 into this part of the interview Barry Jennings describes how he broke the window on the eight floor and looked outside and saw buses and police cars on fire. This was before the towers collapsed according to him.
Just to show you how wrong Barry Jennings are you should take a look at the following photographs.
The first one is Figure 5-13 in the FEMA report on WTC 7. It shows the street at the east side of WTC 7 some time after the collapse of WTC 2, but before the collapse of WTC 1. An area Barry Jennings should have be able to see from the eight floor. Note that there is no burning vehicles at this time.
Next you should take a look at Figure 1-95 in the leaked draft report on WTC 7 named "WTC 7 chapter Pitts.doc" here. It shows the same scene after the collapse of WTC 1. Note all the burned out cars. In addition you can look at Figure 5-18 in NIST NCSTAR 1-8, it shows a close up of the now burnt out fire truck from the picture in the FEMA report. Then take a look at at Figure 1-101 and 1-102 in the same report. In Figure 1-102 you can see the window that must have been broken by Barry Jennings. And both shows a burned out bus and police cars. Exactly as Barry Jennings describes. The fact is that Barry Jennings correctly describes the destruction caused by the collapse of WTC 1 outside WTC 7 on West Broadway.
Are you still going to claim that this occurred before both towers collapsed as Barry Jennings claims Galileo? If you still are, I have to point out that the burnt out bus outside 30 West Broadway in Figure 1-102 was not there when the second plane hit WTC 2. As you can see in this video filmed from the corner of West Broadway and Barclay Street when WTC 2 was hit. At 0:39 into the video there is clear shoot of 30 West Broadway at the corner of West Broadway and Barclay Street just after impact:
So does vehicle fires outside WTC 7 could not have been started by debris from the impact of Flight 175 either. That leaves us with just WTC 1. Anything else would have been big news and widely reported.
As I have pointed out before the Michael Hess interview from 11th september 2001 contradicts parts of what Barry Jennings says. And it is fully consistent with the sequence of event placing Barry Jennings and Michael Hess on floor 23rd inside WTC 7 at the time of the collapse of WTC 2: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3835890#post3835890
I haven’t gone though all you presented here yet, but I will say there were vehicle fires on Vessey Street before the collapse of the towers. In the National Geographic documentary in footage taken by Jack Taliercio when he was cowering under the cover of WTC 4 and filming the towers burning and people falling, there is a shot across the plaza of a car burning.
I will note your claim no vehicles could have caught fire due to the crash of Flight 175.
I have an idea how vehicles caught fire on Vessey.
It should also be pointed out that Barry Jennings says he walked over bodies, but didnt actually see them. Why this is such an issue is beyond me. Clearly there were bodies in WTC 7, but they were of victims from outside the building brought in.
But now truthers are in a pretty pickle. They will have to now call Barry Jennings and several high and low ranking FDNY personnel "liars" or claim the NWO somehow bribed them, threatened them, or implanted a mind control chip.
It should also be pointed out that Barry Jennings says he walked over bodies, but didnt actually see them. Why this is such an issue is beyond me. Clearly there were bodies in WTC 7, but they were of victims from outside the building brought in.
But now truthers are in a pretty pickle. They will have to now call Barry Jennings and several high and low ranking FDNY personnel "liars" or claim the NWO somehow bribed them, threatened them, or implanted a mind control chip.
I haven’t gone though all you presented here yet, but I will say there were vehicle fires on Vessey Street before the collapse of the towers. In the National Geographic documentary in footage taken by Jack Taliercio when he was cowering under the cover of WTC 4 and filming the towers burning and people falling, there is a shot across the plaza of a car burning.
I will note your claim no vehicles could have caught fire due to the crash of Flight 175.
I have an idea how vehicles caught fire on Vessey.
As should be evident from the context of my post I was not talking about vehicles in general around WTC. I was talking about some specific vehicles outside WTC 7 along West Broadway between the intersection of Vesey Street and Park Place. The vehicles in question were clearly not on fire after the collapse of WTC 2. Or they were not present when Flight 175 hit WTC 2. Therefore the vehicles in question clearly were set on fire by the collapse of WTC 1 that scattered debris north along West Broadway.
That vehicles elsewhere caught fire as consequence of the aircraft impacts is a well know fact.
That just doesn’t make sense. To be trapped on all of the 8th floor, in an area as big as a football field, with plenty of stairwells in the center of the building to exit, just to me makes no sense.
MaGZ, in view of the fact that Barry Jennings clearly indicates that he got into the 8th floor I wonder if you are still maintaining your original theory, as described in your posts earlier in this thread?
In "The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower" by BBC he describes at 13:45 into the video how he walked to the other side of the building and noticed that that part of the building was gone:
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(The collapse of WTC 1 caused severe structural damage to the south face of WTC 7 in the area of the south west corner, including the 8th floor. The damage is described in the leaked draft report on WTC 7 named "WTC 7 chapter Pitts.doc" found here.. Or here at: http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm)
In the uncut interview made by the Loose Change crew he describes at 2:15 that they went into the eight floor. He asked Hess to check if the telephones were working while he broke the windows with a fire extinguisher:
Then at 6:35 in the second part of the interview he describes how he asked Hess to go under the desk to pray, because he feared that they were not going the get out of there alive:
It should also be pointed out that Barry Jennings says he walked over bodies, but didnt actually see them. Why this is such an issue is beyond me. Clearly there were bodies in WTC 7, but they were of victims from outside the building brought in.
Another plausible explanation could be that bodies from WTC 1 were thrown into the lobby of WTC 7 when WTC 1 collapsed. Any bodies inside the lobby of WTC 7 would have been covered with layers of dust. I guess you would have had to look closely to see them.
A witness on the third floor in the lobby of WTC 7 claimed she saw this during the collapse of WTC 2:
Later I asked Diane what made her scream. She said she saw bodies come flying through the air.
So I take it that you feel that witness testimony is absolute and should not be questioned? Which of course means you agree with members of the FDNY that were on scene at WTC7 when they reported out of control fires and substantial damage that led to an inevitable collapse. I'm glad we got that settled.
How can Barry Jennings claim that both buildings were standing while at the same time claim that there was nothing there at 5:00 into this part of the interview made by the Loose Change Crew:
I think Barry Jennings timeline is basically correct. He experienced an explosion in a stairwell on the 6th floor near the time of the crash of the second plane. He and Hess escape from the stairwell and are trapped on the 8th floor and move to the north side of WTC 7 because of the ensuing fires which was started by the explosion. Apparently the initial explosion set off a chain reaction of oil fueled transformers exploding and spreading the fires in WTC 7. Jennings states he heard explosion while on floor 8. These were the transformers exploding. WTC 7 was on fire after the crash of the second plane. Photos taken from across the Hudson River confirms this.
1. I have seen no such photos.
2. Provide them, or a link, or I will assume it is crap.
3. I hope you are not mistaking smoke from elsewhere, or fire reflections in WTC7 windows.
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