Merged Barry Jenning's Tale

[MaGZ]

Jennings never says anything about looking out the windows from the stairwell. He said he was on the 6th floor in the stairwell when there was a huge explosion. He went up to the 8th floor and looked out the windows.

Do you think he was trapped in the stairwell?

Was he able roam freely on the 8th floor?

 

[Galileo]

Please provide a link to information confirming that this stairwell and service elevator existed at all.

I agree with Norseman on this. What's your evidence for a third stairwell?

 

[Galileo]

Do you think he was trapped in the stairwell?

Was he able roam freely on the 8th floor?

Did you listen to his interview? He said he was left there hanging and pulled himself up by a railing. Then they went up to the 8th floor.

The 8th floor was free from damage at that time, before the towers collapsed. Yes he could roam freely.

The north side of WTC 7 would have had less smoke, and a view of people entering the area.

Was there really a third stairwell or not? We need evidence.

 

[MaGZ]

Did you listen to his interview? He said he was left there hanging and pulled himself up by a railing. Then they went up to the 8th floor.

The 8th floor was free from damage at that time, before the towers collapsed. Yes he could roam freely.

The north side of WTC 7 would have had less smoke, and a view of people entering the area.

Was there really a third stairwell or not? We need evidence.

I am under the impression both Hess and Jennings were trapped in the stairwell for several hours with fires nearby and plenty of smoke. That is my memory of the interviews.

Yes Jennings was hanging from the broken stairs on the 6th and they went up to the 8th. I think they were trapped and for some reason could not go further up. The exit door might have been jammed from the explosion especially if they were near the two elevators that were ejected from their shafts.

Jennings later took a fire extinguisher and broke a window in the stairwell to get attention.

This is my understanding of the interview.

 

[Galileo]

I am under the impression both Hess and Jennings were trapped in the stairwell for several hours with fires nearby and plenty of smoke. That is my memory of the interviews.

Yes Jennings was hanging from the broken stairs on the 6th and they went up to the 8th. I think they were trapped and for some reason could not go further up. The exit door might have been jammed from the explosion especially if they were near the two elevators that were ejected from their shafts.

Jennings later took a fire extinguisher and broke a window in the stairwell to get attention.

This is my understanding of the interview.

They were trapped on the 8th floor when they were waiting to be rescued.

 

[MaGZ]

They were trapped on the 8th floor when they were waiting to be rescued.

That just doesn’t make sense. To be trapped on all of the 8th floor, in an area as big as a football field, with plenty of stairwells in the center of the building to exit, just to me makes no sense.

 

[Norseman]

I am under the impression both Hess and Jennings were trapped in the stairwell for several hours with fires nearby and plenty of smoke. That is my memory of the interviews.

Yes Jennings was hanging from the broken stairs on the 6th and they went up to the 8th. I think they were trapped and for some reason could not go further up. The exit door might have been jammed from the explosion especially if they were near the two elevators that were ejected from their shafts.

Jennings later took a fire extinguisher and broke a window in the stairwell to get attention.

This is my understanding of the interview.

MaGZ there is nothing the interview that indicates that there were any windows in the stairwell. Quiet the contrary. At about 4:33 Jennings says that the stairwell became pitch black because all the lights went out. Then at about 4:50 there is a break in the interview before Jennings in a new cut starts to talk about seeing both towers standing, where he exactly is in the building at point is not stated in the interview. But he claimed earlier that they went back to the eight floor. So we can assume that he is somewhere on the eight floor. Since there is numerous windows on the eight floor there is no need to invent a stairwell with windows on the south side of the building. And there is no claim in the interview stating that they were trapped in the stairwell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI

Regarding the two elevators, this is what the NIST Interim report on WTC 7 says on page L-18:

from inside the building at the 8th or 9th Floor elevator lobby, where two elevator cars were ejected from their shafts and landed in the hallway north of the elevator shaft, the visible portion of the south wall was gone with more light visible from the west side possibly indicating damage extending to the west.

And on page L-51:

The extent of damage, both
structural and to fireproofing, of core framing is not known, but damage to elevator cars and shafts was reported to have occurred around columns 69 to 78 at Floors 8 or 9.

If you look at the two drawings in Figure L-5 on page L-6, you will see that columns 69 to 78 are core columns, and you can see the placement of elevator shafts and stairwells. If I am not mistaken your source for the information about the two elevators were in fact this report.

 

[Galileo]

That just doesn’t make sense. To be trapped on all of the 8th floor, in an area as big as a football field, with plenty of stairwells in the center of the building to exit, just to me makes no sense.

As far as I know, there were only two stairwells in WTC 7, and one was blocked by the explosion. They give no indication they knew where the other one was.

 

[Norseman]

You can only say they was there around 9:03. Jennings and Hess did not react to the crash of the second plane because they were experiencing the explosion at 9:03 in the stairwell when the plane hit WTC 2. I think the were on the 23rd floor about 9:00.

Well at about 3:20 in the interview he says that had to been inside on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. If you agree that Jennings is wrong about this, maybe it is time to question the reliability of his claims in the remainder of the interview to.

 

[Norseman]

I am under the impression both Hess and Jennings were trapped in the stairwell for several hours with fires nearby and plenty of smoke. That is my memory of the interviews.

It is correct that Jennings in the interview claims that he was trapped in the stairwell for several hours. But this contradicted by the interview Michael Hess gave on september 11th 2001 at 11:59 am, shortly after their rescue. In the interview Hess states that they were trapped for about one and half hour the 8th floor.

The Interview with Mr. Hess can also be heard in this WTC 7 truther video. It is at 6:20:

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I AGREE

Last year there was blogger at 911Blogger.com that had obtained a copy of the live coverage from UPN 9 News that contained the interview with Hess. The blogger claimed initially that the interview took place at 11:34. But in the comments section the blogger honestly enough had to backtrack and conclude that the interview began just before 11:59 instead, after a closer look at the tape:

http://911blogger.com/node/10425

The blog entry also contains a transcript of the interview.

This is transcript from the blogg:

The following was in response to, “Mr. Hess, you were trapped in, I believe, 7 World Trade Center. Go ahead, sir.”:

"Yes, I was. I was up in the emergency management center on the twenty-third floor, and when all the power went out in the building, uh, another gentleman and I walked down to the eighth floor where there was an explosion and we were trapped on the eighth floor with smoke, thick smoke, all around us, for about an hour and a half. But the New York Fire Department, as terrific as they are, just came and got us out."

The following was in response to the question, “Where is the mayor located now?”:

“I don’t know, myself, as I said- I was trapped in 7 World Trade Center for the last hour and a half.”

We know that the power went out in the building when WTC 2 collapsed at about 9:59. That is why they used the stairs. Then they became trapped by the collapse of WTC 1 that caused severe damage to WTC 7 at about 10:28. Then Hess could be out of WTC 7 at about 11:50 in time for the interview. This is well within the frame of what is reasonable to call about one and half hour.

As I have said before Barry Jennings is either very confused or worse. Because parts of his story is so at odds with all other accounts and reports regarding WTC 7

 

[MaGZ]

MaGZ there is nothing the interview that indicates that there were any windows in the stairwell. Quiet the contrary. At about 4:33 Jennings says that the stairwell became pitch black because all the lights went out. Then at about 4:50 there is a break in the interview before Jennings in a new cut starts to talk about seeing both towers standing, where he exactly is in the building at point is not stated in the interview. But he claimed earlier that they went back to the eight floor. So we can assume that he is somewhere on the eight floor. Since there is numerous windows on the eight floor there is no need to invent a stairwell with windows on the south side of the building. And there is no claim in the interview stating that they were trapped in the stairwell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI

Regarding the two elevators, this is what the NIST Interim report on WTC 7 says on page L-18:


And on page L-51:


If you look at the two drawings in Figure L-5 on page L-6, you will see that columns 69 to 78 are core columns, and you can see the placement of elevator shafts and stairwells. If I am not mistaken your source for the information about the two elevators were in fact this report.

Thanks for you comments on what Jennings said in his interview. I am still unclear as to what happened to Jennings and Hess. I would like to hear more detailed information from them. There are too many loose ends of this story.

How far inside WTC 7 were the two displaced elevators? In the center, a third in, a fourth in from the south side of WTC 7? I don’t see how they could be displaced if they were anywhere other that near the south wall of WTC 7.

 

[MaGZ]

Well at about 3:20 in the interview he says that had to been inside on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. If you agree that Jennings is wrong about this, maybe it is time to question the reliability of his claims in the remainder of the interview to.

Everyone at Ground Zero that day could tell you exactly were they were when the second plane hit WTC 2. The only person who seems to be unsure is Barry Jennings. He thinks he was on the 23rd floor when the plane hit but he cannot say for certain. If he was there he would have heard it and seen the explosion for the windows.

Until a better explanation is offered I will maintain the explosion in the stairwell and the crash of the second plane were fractions of seconds apart. This is why Jennings is unsure where he was when the plane hit WTC 2.

 

[MaGZ]

It is correct that Jennings in the interview claims that he was trapped in the stairwell for several hours. But this contradicted by the interview Michael Hess gave on september 11th 2001 at 11:59 am, shortly after their rescue. In the interview Hess states that they were trapped for about one and half hour the 8th floor.



This is transcript from the blogg:


We know that the power went out in the building when WTC 2 collapsed at about 9:59. That is why they used the stairs. Then they became trapped by the collapse of WTC 1 that caused severe damage to WTC 7 at about 10:28. Then Hess could be out of WTC 7 at about 11:50 in time for the interview. This is well within the frame of what is reasonable to call about one and half hour.

As I have said before Barry Jennings is either very confused or worse. Because parts of his story is so at odds with all other accounts and reports regarding WTC 7

That timeline is cutting pretty close to get the interview in by Hess before noon.
If the explosion was at 9:03 and they were trapped for a hour and half as Hess said, then they may have been rescued between 10:30 and 11:00. Plenty of time to get over their experience and be interviewed.

Also if they were trapped in the starwell for an hour or two then they could not roam freely on the 8th floor. If you are trapped in a stairwell you have to wait to be resuced. How could they signal via a window if they could not leave a windowless stairwell?

 

[Norseman]

As I have said before Barry Jennings is either very confused or worse. Because parts of his story is so at odds with all other accounts and reports regarding WTC 7

After a close review of the interview with Barry Jennings, it looks quiet clear to me that the whole thing is a very dishonest cut and paste job, grossly misrepresenting what Barry Jennings said during the interview. Something that hardly would be surprising given the track record of Prison Planet and the Loose Change Crew.

For instance watch the part starting at 4:52 when Jennings says "both buildings were still standing" here:


Then compare it to the part of last years audio only version that starts at 1:32 here:


Quiet a bit different than the video video version released this year. I would say that last years audio only version was an even worse cut and paste job than this years version. That part of last years version doesn't sound right at all. And they couldn't use it in this years video version since it would be obvious that it was cut and paste.

My impression from the materiel they have released is that they conducted a lengthy interview with Barry Jennings. From the raw footage they pieced together several out of context excerpts into a fake story about an explosion in the stairwell before the towers collapsed.

But I am quiet certain that Barry Jennings gave a straight forward account fully consistent with aircraft hits, the collapse of WTC 2 and WTC 1. A story without any extra explosions other than what can easily be explained with the collapse of the towers and subsequent fires inside WTC 7.

Here is my take on parts of the interview. Barry Jennings worked for the New York City Housing Authority. The housing authority has its main office at 250 Broadway just two blocks away from WTC 7. Judging from the first part of the interview it therefore looks reasonable that he was inside the OEM on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. Note that he uses "I" in that part of the interview, there is no indication that he arrived there at that time with Hess. Then there is a very obvious jump to the next part of the interview where he now is together with Hesss in the OEM. He now uses "we". This part of the interview most likely describes the situation after the collapse of WTC 2. Jennings is calling to find out what's going on, while Hess is looking for the emergency exit since the power is gone and the elevator is no longer working. Also the part where he says that "both towers were standing" looks out of context. We do not know what he was talking about before the video suddenly jumps straight to that part of the interview.

It is reasonable to think that Jennings left the OEM sometime after the second plane hit for some reason. Then he came back later with Hess shortly before the collapse of WTC 2.

As said, this looks like a twisted story by Prison Planet. Since they are controlling the raw footage they have perfect deniability if Barry Jennings contradicts them on record. They can, as they already have done, claim that Barry Jennings has been pressured into changing his story. The footage they might have proving that Jennings is right, will of course never be released.

To cut this short, there is as far as I can see, no need to call Barry Jennings confused or worse as I have done earlier. Hopefully the BBC program tonight might shed some more light on this.

Addendum
Here is a scholarly paper that sheds quiet a lot of light on what was going on inside the OEM before the evacuation at around 09:30 am:
IMPROVISING 9/11: ORGANIZATIONAL IMPROVISATION FOLLOWING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER

Page 71 - 76 describes the how the OEM were organized and the facility. Page 76 - 78 discusses what happened inside the OEM before the evacuation, with focus on the lengthy decision process on whether they should evacuate or not. Something the OEM staff were very reluctant do. While some of the agencies that were called in left quiet early. Barry Jennings and the Housing Authority could have been among those agencies.

It is well worth the read if you want to know more about the OEM, though the text is a bit academic since this is a scholarly paper.

 

[MaGZ]

After a close review of the interview with Barry Jennings, it looks quiet clear to me that the whole thing is a very dishonest cut and paste job, grossly misrepresenting what Barry Jennings said during the interview. Something that hardly would be surprising given the track record of Prison Planet and the Loose Change Crew.

For instance watch the part starting at 4:52 when Jennings says "both buildings were still standing" here:


Then compare it to the part of last years audio only version that starts at 1:32 here:


Quiet a bit different than the video video version released this year. I would say that last years audio only version was an even worse cut and paste job than this years version. That part of last years version doesn't sound right at all. And they couldn't use it in this years video version since it would be obvious that it was cut and paste.

My impression from the materiel they have released is that they conducted a lengthy interview with Barry Jennings. From the raw footage they pieced together several out of context excerpts into a fake story about an explosion in the stairwell before the towers collapsed.

But I am quiet certain that Barry Jennings gave a straight forward account fully consistent with aircraft hits, the collapse of WTC 2 and WTC 1. A story without any extra explosions other than what can easily be explained with the collapse of the towers and subsequent fires inside WTC 7.

Here is my take on parts of the interview. Barry Jennings worked for the New York City Housing Authority. The housing authority has its main office at 250 Broadway just two blocks away from WTC 7. Judging from the first part of the interview it therefore looks reasonable that he was inside the OEM on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. Note that he uses "I" in that part of the interview, there is no indication that he arrived there at that time with Hess. Then there is a very obvious jump to the next part of the interview where he now is together with Hesss in the OEM. He now uses "we". This part of the interview most likely describes the situation after the collapse of WTC 2. Jennings is calling to find out what's going on, while Hess is looking for the emergency exit since the power is gone and the elevator is no longer working. Also the part where he says that "both towers were standing" looks out of context. We do not know what he was talking about before the video suddenly jumps straight to that part of the interview.

It is reasonable to think that Jennings left the OEM sometime after the second plane hit for some reason. Then he came back later with Hess shortly before the collapse of WTC 2.

As said, this looks like a twisted story by Prison Planet. Since they are controlling the raw footage they have perfect deniability if Barry Jennings contradicts them on record. They can, as they already have done, claim that Barry Jennings has been pressured into changing his story. The footage they might have proving that Jennings is right, will of course never be released.

To cut this short, there is as far as I can see, no need to call Barry Jennings confused or worse as I have done earlier. Hopefully the BBC program tonight might shed some more light on this.

Addendum
Here is a scholarly paper that sheds quiet a lot of light on what was going on inside the OEM before the evacuation at around 09:30 am:
IMPROVISING 9/11: ORGANIZATIONAL IMPROVISATION FOLLOWING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER

Page 71 - 76 describes the how the OEM were organized and the facility. Page 76 - 78 discusses what happened inside the OEM before the evacuation, with focus on the lengthy decision process on whether they should evacuate or not. Something the OEM staff were very reluctant do. While some of the agencies that were called in left quiet early. Barry Jennings and the Housing Authority could have been among those agencies.

It is well worth the read if you want to know more about the OEM, though the text is a bit academic since this is a scholarly paper.

Thanks for you analysis. Since it is a cut a past job I can no longer be a strong advocate for what happened to Jennings and Hess. I’m reserving judgement. There is not enough information here. They should come forward and clear things up.

However this does not mean I have abandoned Jennings claim there was an explosion in the stairwell. I would like to hear more from Jennings and Hess.

Who is the member on this forum who has a interview program? They should interview Jennings and Hess.

 

[Alt+F4]

That just doesn’t make sense. To be trapped on all of the 8th floor, in an area as big as a football field, with plenty of stairwells in the center of the building to exit, just to me makes no sense.

Now this is too funny. Someone who thinks a missile struck the WTC is trying to make sense of something.

Ok, MaGZ I'll explain it to you. The stairwell in question was secretly hidden by Mossad agents in the days before 9/11 so Jennings and Hess wouldn't be able to find it. Sneaky Jews!

Oh yeah, and it was built by black people.

 

[Norseman]

After a close review of the interview with Barry Jennings, it looks quiet clear to me that the whole thing is a very dishonest cut and paste job, grossly misrepresenting what Barry Jennings said during the interview. Something that hardly would be surprising given the track record of Prison Planet and the Loose Change Crew.

For instance watch the part starting at 4:52 when Jennings says "both buildings were still standing" here:


Then compare it to the part of last years audio only version that starts at 1:32 here:


Quiet a bit different than the video video version released this year. I would say that last years audio only version was an even worse cut and paste job than this years version. That part of last years version doesn't sound right at all. And they couldn't use it in this years video version since it would be obvious that it was cut and paste.

My impression from the materiel they have released is that they conducted a lengthy interview with Barry Jennings. From the raw footage they pieced together several out of context excerpts into a fake story about an explosion in the stairwell before the towers collapsed.

But I am quiet certain that Barry Jennings gave a straight forward account fully consistent with aircraft hits, the collapse of WTC 2 and WTC 1. A story without any extra explosions other than what can easily be explained with the collapse of the towers and subsequent fires inside WTC 7.

Here is my take on parts of the interview. Barry Jennings worked for the New York City Housing Authority. The housing authority has its main office at 250 Broadway just two blocks away from WTC 7. Judging from the first part of the interview it therefore looks reasonable that he was inside the OEM on the 23rd floor when the second plane hit. Note that he uses "I" in that part of the interview, there is no indication that he arrived there at that time with Hess. Then there is a very obvious jump to the next part of the interview where he now is together with Hesss in the OEM. He now uses "we". This part of the interview most likely describes the situation after the collapse of WTC 2. Jennings is calling to find out what's going on, while Hess is looking for the emergency exit since the power is gone and the elevator is no longer working. Also the part where he says that "both towers were standing" looks out of context. We do not know what he was talking about before the video suddenly jumps straight to that part of the interview.

It is reasonable to think that Jennings left the OEM sometime after the second plane hit for some reason. Then he came back later with Hess shortly before the collapse of WTC 2.

As said, this looks like a twisted story by Prison Planet. Since they are controlling the raw footage they have perfect deniability if Barry Jennings contradicts them on record. They can, as they already have done, claim that Barry Jennings has been pressured into changing his story. The footage they might have proving that Jennings is right, will of course never be released.

To cut this short, there is as far as I can see, no need to call Barry Jennings confused or worse as I have done earlier. Hopefully the BBC program tonight might shed some more light on this.

Addendum
Here is a scholarly paper that sheds quiet a lot of light on what was going on inside the OEM before the evacuation at around 09:30 am:
IMPROVISING 9/11: ORGANIZATIONAL IMPROVISATION FOLLOWING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DISASTER

Page 71 - 76 describes the how the OEM were organized and the facility. Page 76 - 78 discusses what happened inside the OEM before the evacuation, with focus on the lengthy decision process on whether they should evacuate or not. Something the OEM staff were very reluctant do. While some of the agencies that were called in left quiet early. Barry Jennings and the Housing Authority could have been among those agencies.

It is well worth the read if you want to know more about the OEM, though the text is a bit academic since this is a scholarly paper.

After I now have seen what appears to be the full uncut interview with Barry Jennings from the Loose Change crew. I have to say that Barry Jennings at the time of the interview was either very confused or worse. See this thread for further comments and link to the interview:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118197

 

[Thunder]

Barry Jennings says he heard explosions BEFORE towers collapsed

Question #1. What time exactly did he hear the first explosion?

Question #2. How does he know for sure it was before the first tower collapsed, if he was inside the stairwell and not able to view the collapse?

Question #3. It is possible that the first explosion he heard was debree from the second plane impact hitting WTC 7? (it was flying in a northern direction)

Question #4. Has any debunkers contacted Barry to deal with these issues of time and location?

 

[Mangoose]

Here is another report of Jennings from 9/11. I'm not sure if this is based on the ABC broadcast:

After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel.

They were the only ones there. They felt and heard another explosion, probably the collapse of one building. He broke a window and screamed for help. Then they went down a stairwell.

"I told Hess, 'We've got to try to get out of here."' They got to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I thought I was dead. The whole building shook. ... I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell. It was like a bad movie."

Though covered in soot, Jennings was not physically injured. He said Hess escaped safely as well.

 

[~enigma~]

Good heavens no! I mean, I used to question some things, but the JREF set me straight on all of it. There are no mysteries left. Right?

Barry Jennings was mistaken. Only the jreffers get it right!

What was he mistaken about? That he heard explosions?