Baroness Warsi and "militant secularisation"

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/13/militant-secularisation-christianity-lady-warsi

Forgetting the left-brain hip check caused by the highest profile Muslim in British politics pushing Christianity to the forefront of government, can anyone (as she hasn't herself) provide evidence of the following:

For me one of the most worrying aspects about this militant secularisation is that at its core and in its instincts it is deeply intolerant. It demonstrates similar traits to totalitarian regimes – denying people the right to a religious identity because they were frightened of the concept of multiple identities
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It's dashed decent of her to promote Christianity as a moral framework for government (I suppose she would, considering this is a speech to be given at The Vatican) but should we be looking forward to turning the other cheek when mugged, or everyone giving their money away to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven Retirement Home and Workhouse"?

Keep religion out of politics, please.
 
Tory party chairman distorts the truth.:jaw-dropp

In other news:

Pope still catholic
Bears still prefer woods to indoor toilets
"Just call me Dave" still a moron.
;)
 
Actually has Warsi ever done anything particularly intelligent?

Or well...anything noteworthy that wasn't either a supreme cock-up, hugely idiotic and vile or just down right scummy?

I can't think of anything, myself.
 
angrysoba said:
Is Baroness Warsi a Catholic bear who ***** on the Pope on the News at Ten in the woods?
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According to the article quoted by the OP, no:

From Guardian article

"...Implicitly rejecting multiculturalism, Warsi, the first female Muslim to serve as a minister..."
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If she was an African Amerian / Black in the US, we would (among other things) be calling her an "Uncle Tom..." :(
 
I find Warsi one of the most repugnant and loathesome individuals in British politics (and that takes some doing) so I'm not surprised she'd be coming out with nonsense like this.
 
Skepticemea said:
It's dashed decent of her to promote Christianity as a moral framework for government (I suppose she would, considering this is a speech to be given at The Vatican) but should we be looking forward to turning the other cheek when mugged,
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Yes. Run away. Your wallet isn't worth dying over and the NHS doesn't need the hastle of trying to put you back together.

or everyone giving their money away to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven Retirement Home and Workhouse"?
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Standard method of avoiding inheritance tax.

Keep religion out of politics, please.
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Why? You've just shown it promotes rational decision making.

That asside:
1)We have an established church. If you don't like it france is that way.
2)Anything accepted by a non-trivial number of people is automaticaly going to be political. The idea that you can keep things out of politics makes no sense.
3)Why the special status for religion? Why not demand that we keep cricket out of politics or Dickens?
 
Skepticemea said:
Forgetting the left-brain hip check caused by the highest profile Muslim in British politics pushing Christianity to the forefront of government, can anyone (as she hasn't herself) provide evidence of the following:
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Would she still be welcome in, say, Saudi Arabia? :D Sounds an awful lot like apostasy.
 
geni said:
3)Why the special status for religion? Why not demand that we keep cricket out of politics or Dickens?
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I undestand that, in England, cricket is a religion. It's a bit like baseball with only first and home base, and 257 outs in an inning, isn't it?
 
I think there is a tendency to 'mock' the USA fundamentalists but I also think that they are increasingly getting their feet under the table over here in the UK.

Amongst others we have the high profile:

Warsi
Widdecombe
Blair

As well as more and more tools teaching ID as science in schools, we even have creationist museums.

Why, given the Warsi comments and the reason for the original post, do councillers feel the need to pray to a non-existent being in order to fulfill the duties of their job? If they must pray meet up beforehand and do it privately.
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Call Me Crazy But said:
I think there is a tendency to 'mock' the USA fundamentalists but I also think that they are increasingly getting their feet under the table over here in the UK.

Amongst others we have the high profile:

Warsi
Widdecombe
Blair

As well as more and more tools teaching ID as science in schools, we even have creationist museums.

Why, given the Warsi comments and the reason for the original post, do councillers feel the need to pray to a non-existent being in order to fulfill the duties of their job? If they must pray meet up beforehand and do it privately.
privately
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Indeed. And it appears that anti-discrimination laws do not apply to the classroom...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/feb/18/anti-gay-book-gove-row?newsfeed=true
 
Call Me Crazy But said:
I think there is a tendency to 'mock' the USA fundamentalists but I also think that they are increasingly getting their feet under the table over here in the UK.

Amongst others we have the high profile:

Warsi
Widdecombe
Blair

As well as more and more tools teaching ID as science in schools, we even have creationist museums.

Why, given the Warsi comments and the reason for the original post, do councillers feel the need to pray to a non-existent being in order to fulfill the duties of their job? If they must pray meet up beforehand and do it privately.
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Widdecombe? Other than being known as the John Sergeant of the last Strictly, I don't think she's really known for anything else.

And Blair's religious beliefs showed us how awkward UK voters regarded religion. 'We don't do God' etc.
 
Keeper said:
Indeed. And it appears that anti-discrimination laws do not apply to the classroom...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/feb/18/anti-gay-book-gove-row?newsfeed=true
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It's deeply worrying that kids are denied a decent education because their parents make a bad decision about their school.

As for Warsi, I've seen her on TV and find her attitude and views repugnant. Religion should be a private matter and doesn't belong in council chambers etc. I read that the bible says in Matthew 6/6:

"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

I like the King James version's reference to 'closet' :D
 
Call Me Crazy But said:
I think there is a tendency to 'mock' the USA fundamentalists but I also think that they are increasingly getting their feet under the table over here in the UK.
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The largest active religious groups in the UK are CofE and Catholic. Neither are very conductive to US style religious fundimentalism.

As well as more and more tools teaching ID as science in schools, we even have creationist museums.
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Genisis expo hasn't repopened so not sure we do.

Why, given the Warsi comments and the reason for the original post, do councillers feel the need to pray to a non-existent being in order to fulfill the duties of their job?
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Who cares? If they want to chant "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" before every meeting that's their business.

If they must pray meet up beforehand and do it privately.
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Why? You don't have to watch them in the council hall if you don't want to.
 
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