Split Thread Barbra Streisand, Sean Penn, truthers?

Cicero said:
The wiki? Try Craig Unger's own words and his own book. The same bilge that DRG and the rest of the troothers spout.

"And, on September 13 - at a time when private aviation was still locked down in the aftermath of 9/11 - a small private plane began picking up members of the Saudi royal family.

The 9/11 attacks constituted the worst crime in the history of the US. But ultimately at least 140 Saudis, including two dozen relatives of Osama bin Laden, were evacuated without having gone through a formal interrogation."


"One of many of the ironies of the attack was that Marvin Bush, the president’s brother, owned stock in and had served as a director of a company, Stratesec, that handled security for three clients that figured prominently in the attack – United Airlines; Dulles Airport, from which American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked; and the World Trade Center itself." pg.249.
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So which part of that clinches the argument that Babs is a LIHOPer?
 
willhaven said:
So which part of that clinches the argument that Babs is a LIHOPer?
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I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand. These are Truth Movement arguments that have been thoroughly debunked. Mr. Streisand says check out a troofer website and JREF skeptics peg him as a troofer, while Babs tells her fans to read Unger's book that makes the same troofer arguments and somehow she is inoculated against the label of troofer. Fascinating.
 
Cicero said:
I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand. These are Truth Movement arguments that have been thoroughly debunked. Mr. Streisand says check out a troofer website and JREF skeptics peg him as a troofer, while Babs tells her fans to read Unger's book that makes the same troofer arguments and somehow she is inoculated against the label of troofer. Fascinating.
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Damn it, man, keep it down! People are trying to sleep here. Don't make me get off this couch.

Don't play on the lawn, either. I just seeded the grass. :mad:

 
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Cicero said:
I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand. These are Truth Movement arguments that have been thoroughly debunked. Mr. Streisand says check out a troofer website and JREF skeptics peg him as a troofer, while Babs tells her fans to read Unger's book that makes the same troofer arguments and somehow she is inoculated against the label of troofer. Fascinating.
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I think you're making a bit of a strawman. The OP quotes Barbra, not her husband. The claims about him are a separate matter.

If you want to establish his truther credentials on another (groan) thread, go ahead. I'm not about to do it, since the subject was boring at the outset. What you've presented on Barbra is not relevant to Mr. Brolin.

This is now just a digression.
 
alienentity said:
I think you're making a bit of a strawman. The OP quotes Barbra, not her husband. The claims about him are a separate matter.
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Babs troofer beliefs stand on their own.

If you want to establish his truther credentials on another (groan) thread, go ahead. I'm not about to do it, since the subject was boring at the outset. What you've presented on Barbra is not relevant to Mr. Brolin.
This is now just a digression.
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You have it backwards. James Brolin's troofer comments are relevant to Babs because his example of trooferism meets the standard JREF skeptics have established for the label of troofer. Babs has shown the same penchant for drawing attention to a troofer source. Why are you unable to show any appreciable distinction between their behavior regarding this?
 
Cicero said:
Better remain in your supine position. You don't want to reveal any more of that couch than you need to.
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Are you making fun of my couch? Let's not get personal here. A man's furniture is sacrosanct down here in Georgia. Insulting a couch, divan or sofa comes only second to insulting the woman folk. (And since the couch was inherited from my late maternal grandmother, you are insulting the women folk.) A matter of honor, you understand.

Have I insulted your dog? I think not.

And since I'm awake now could you explain how this pointless thread got started and why you are prolonging it past the point of sanity?

Edit: Don't bother. You're plonked.
 
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Again.... Penn is a political loon. He's a Bush basher. He's a Hugo Chavez apologist. What more do 9/11 truthers need in their criteria book to claim he supports their cause? I've argued with a ton of total loons in the last couple of years I've started actively debating politics, they don't always fit one specific bill. The fact that other conspiracy groups latch on for a ride with his nuttery shouldn't be at all surprising either, I'm not sure when any of that was ever new.
 
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Why does the right always slam Barbra Streisand- the woman is seldom if ever in in the public eye, and rarely gives interviews- she's hardly a vocal advocate like Penn...
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Again.... Penn is a political loon. He's a Bush basher. He's a Hugo Chavez apologist. What more do 9/11 truthers need in their criteria book to claim he supports their cause? I've argued with a ton of total loons in the last couple of years I've started actively debating politics, they don't always fit one specific bill. The fact that other conspiracy groups latch on for a ride with his nuttery shouldn't be at all surprising either, I'm not sure when any of that was ever new.
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Bush was one of the worst presidents we ever had, he deserved to be bashed..Funny how the wingnuts denounce any critisim of Bush, yet are quick to rip Obama to shreds...The biggest loons are the Teabagger losers..
 
Titanic Explorer said:
Bush was one of the worst presidents we ever had, he deserved to be bashed..Funny how the wingnuts denounce any critisim of Bush, yet are quick to rip Obama to shreds...The biggest loons are the Teabagger losers..
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Aside from the fact that my statement has little to do with the merits of the criticism Bush got, my point was that not every "loon" I talk with is also a conspiracy nut. They can have some of the most outlandish positions in politics and yet be perfectly competent in a profession. Ergo the fact that Shean Penn is a nut for more reason than his criticisms of Bush it doesn't necessarily make him a 9/11 truther variety. If the criteria of simple Bush Bashing were grounds for a truther label then we obviously wouldn't have people who make some of the same criticisms of Bush arguing against the 9/11 conspiracy idiocy.

The tea party crap can go back into politics; I have absolutely zero interest in dealing with that or for the matter your politics here . Thankyou for understanding...
 
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Cicero said:
Are these troofer resources?

“The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11”

“The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions”

“The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot be True”

"9/11: The Myth and the Reality”

“War on Truth”

“Painful Questions”

“Inside Job – Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracy."

“House of Bush, House of Saud"

“Waking up from our Nightmare”

“The Day America Died"

“Cover-up”

“Still Seeking the Truth About 9/11"

“Crossing the Rubicon: the Decline of the American Empire at the end of the Age of Oil”

“9/11 Synthetic Terror” –

“The Terror Timeline”

“War on Freedom”

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What is your point? Do have evidence, say a link from Barbra, saying she endorses those books? If you do, it would probably help your case.
 
Cicero said:
One is sufficient.

http://www.barbrastreisand.com/us/statement/wake-america
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House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties is a 2004 book by Craig Unger that explores the relationship between the Saudi Royal Family and the Bush extended political family. Unger asserts that the groundwork for today's terrorist movements and the modern wars that have sprung up about them was unintentionally laid more than 30 years ago with a series of business deals between the ruling Saudis and the powerful Bush family.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bush,_House_of_Saud

Hardly "letting 9/11 happen on purpose".

Any other links from Barbra?
 
Cicero has said that LIHOP beliefs include that Bush unintentionally let it happen. I've asked him about that but haven't seen a response to that.
 
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Alan said:
Cicero has said that LIHOP beliefs include that Bush unintentionally let it happen. I've asked him about that but haven't seen a response to that.
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Never said "unintentionally," but of course you knew that or you would have posted the quote.
 
Cicero said:
Relying on the wiki for reliable info will leave an omelet on your face more times than not. I already quoted Unger from his book in this thread. It is the same troofer crap found in DRG's books. In fact DRG quotes Unger as a source in one of his books.
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You mean this post?


Cicero said:
The wiki? Try Craig Unger's own words and his own book. The same bilge that DRG and the rest of the troothers spout.

"And, on September 13 - at a time when private aviation was still locked down in the aftermath of 9/11 - a small private plane began picking up members of the Saudi royal family.

The 9/11 attacks constituted the worst crime in the history of the US. But ultimately at least 140 Saudis, including two dozen relatives of Osama bin Laden, were evacuated without having gone through a formal interrogation."


"One of many of the ironies of the attack was that Marvin Bush, the president’s brother, owned stock in and had served as a director of a company, Stratesec, that handled security for three clients that figured prominently in the attack – United Airlines; Dulles Airport, from which American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked; and the World Trade Center itself." pg.249.
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That's nothing to do with letting it happen - it's all AFTER 9/11. You were already asked how this proves LIHOP. Will you answer now?
 
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