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Bad Murder Cases

Desert Fox

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Decided to post this as a new thread instead of making it part of the AK/RS threads.

Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood - Nursing Home Murders?

I was watching a documentary on the case and it reads like the case is horrid?
It sounds like the case is built on the most flimsy of evidence.
Confession of a spurned lover that very well want revenge.
It is corroborated by another girlfriend through hypnosis?
Hypnosis is also how people believe that they are abducted by aliens

Thoughts on this case?

As well, an others people would like to present?
 
My thoughts are along the lines that maybe they are guilty but I sure do not like convicting people on maybes
 
I cite Teina Pora, there is a new hearing by the British privy council. This is a multi perpetrator allegation where all the evidence was left by a serial offender, and after a /false/ confession by Teina. He was lured by a reward. He begins his new life age 38 instead of 18.

Wiki is a good enough start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teina_Pora

ETA I see this thread is about true guilt, so disregard my post.
 
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C_Felix said:
As opposed to good murder cases?
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If you eat a good meal, a cow, chicken, or other creature(s) likely died to feed you. It was not a good meal for that animal.

A good murder case is when the evidence is clear cut
 
Desert Fox said:
If you eat a good meal, a cow, chicken, or other creature(s) likely died to feed you. It was not a good meal for that animal.
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Do you know this as fact, or are you projecting your human values and emotions on nonhumans? See, I have chickens and one of them cornered me in the yard recently and tried to tell me all about chicken heaven and how they get there. They call it the Great Roost ( or Highest Roost, my chicken vocabulary is weak on adjectives).

Anyway, being eaten is one of the paths. They have several psalms just about rosemary and sage.
 
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ApolloGnomon said:
Do you know this as fact, or are you projecting your human values and emotions on nonhumans? See, I have chickens and one of them cornered me in the yard recently and tried to tell me all about chicken heaven and how they get there. They call it the Great Roost ( or Highest Roost, my chicken vocabulary is weak on adjectives).

Anyway, being eaten is one of the paths. They have several psalms just about rosemary and sage.
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Arthur Dent: What are you doing?
Ford Prefect: Preparing for hyperspace. It's rather unpleasantly like being drunk.
Arthur Dent: What's so wrong about being drunk?
Ford Prefect: Ask a glass of water.
 
I'd suggest that when it comes to bad murder cases, Jerry Hatfield has everyone beat. He's still serving a life sentence for a conviction that was appealed and over turned in 1980!
 
PhantomWolf said:
I'd suggest that when it comes to bad murder cases, Jerry Hatfield has everyone beat. He's still serving a life sentence for a conviction that was appealed and over turned in 1980!
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Stay classy Texas
A Texas inmate with the critical thinking ability of a first-grader has been waiting some 34 years for a new trial. And now he'll wait some more.
 
Desert Fox said:
Decided to post this as a new thread instead of making it part of the AK/RS threads.

Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood - Nursing Home Murders?

I was watching a documentary on the case and it reads like the case is horrid?
It sounds like the case is built on the most flimsy of evidence.
Confession of a spurned lover that very well want revenge.
It is corroborated by another girlfriend through hypnosis?
Hypnosis is also how people believe that they are abducted by aliens

Thoughts on this case?

As well, an others people would like to present?
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I was on a grand jury that indicted a murderer once and it was no fun at all. The killer was fifteen year old Randy Dobbs and he killed a pizza delivery woman who was married with a 7 month old baby.

Randy looks happy in prison and his nickname is "Pizza Man". You can see the scumbag at georgia inmate locators.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I'd suggest that when it comes to bad murder cases, Jerry Hatfield has everyone beat. He's still serving a life sentence for a conviction that was appealed and over turned in 1980!
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That's an interesting case, but I'm not really seeing any evidence to indicate that there were many problems with his trial. It seems that the verdict was overturned on a technicality (a juror was improperly dismissed for expressing concerns about capital punishment).

He wasn't supposed to be released upon the overturning of his conviction, he was supposed to be retried. I see no particular reason to suppose that he would have been found "not guilty" in a retrial, do you? The verdict wasn't overturned due to any issues with the evidence. I realize he claimed to be coerced into a confession, but apparently the jury didn't buy it, and he doesn't/didn't have any new evidence to introduce, so I don't see why the second jury wouldn't have also found him guilty.

Sounds more like, he didn't assert his right to a speedy retrial, which likely would have found him guilty again, so he'd still be right where he is.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
I was on a grand jury that indicted a murderer once and it was no fun at all. The killer was fifteen year old Randy Dobbs and he killed a pizza delivery woman who was married with a 7 month old baby.

Randy looks happy in prison and his nickname is "Pizza Man". You can see the scumbag at georgia inmate locators.
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If he is 35 and realizes "what the hell did I do", shouldn't we maybe reconsider things?

This is a different issue than what I am arguing in the OP. The OP is cases where there are issues where there is substantial reason for doubt (at worst) and in many cases argument for innocence.
 
Doghouse Reilly said:
He wasn't supposed to be released upon the overturning of his conviction,
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Please forgive my naivety regarding legal processes, but I've always thought that that's exactly what is supposed to happen when people have their convictions overturned.

How is that not the case here? I had thought that when a conviction is overturned, the state can have another go at defendant... but they just can't leave him in prison while they spend umpteen years not bothering to put a case together to go to trial. Surely that's on the state to get their act together to go to trial again?
 
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