I sure hope so. Life was hard in the Middle Ages.Kumar said:
How do you accomplish that in the face of an illness?
You mean our ability to transform our environment and to adapt?
Point out one spiecies that lives "unnaturally."
Should we teach cows how to read? Dress up penguins?
How do you want to deal with other species?
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What "balance"?
Says who? Modern systems sure seem to help a lot more people than ancient systems.
Must be our survival instinct. Or our aversion to pain. Or our ability to empathize with those who are suffering.Kumar said:
That wasn't the question. Are you advocating that no medical treatments be used on any illnesses?
What natural systems? We survived by taming animals and plants, and by killing whatever else stared at us funny.
What in our lifestyle is "unnatural"? Which part of our lifestyle didn't come 100% from nature? Which piece of technology did we manage to sprout full grown without using materials from nature?
You think diseases don't pass from one animal to another, when living in "nature"?
You think animal populations in nature never suffered overpopulation?
In nature everyone eats everyone else. I'd call that "interfering." And again, do you advocate eliminating all medical treatments, and all social assistance programs and charitable organizations?
The Don said:
Do you also not believe on "FICTITIOUS" accounts?
Your account is not fictitious?
I have a look around at NCH forum and seen a post by a user name "Perptal notion". Who is that person?
http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=39
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I have no idea, but I've never created an account over there or posted over there, nor am I going over there to look at whatever you've trolled up. Liar.
Perpetual Notion said:
ok
I thought, you are there.
http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=39
Its all right.
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Homeo Man said:
Oh goody. I'm so relieved.
The only thing that's fictitious around here is that picture of the woman that you posted. Now you want to go back to accusing people of using fake accounts again instead of owning up to the fact that you lied. You're not worth the energy it takes to type this. I'm going to bed. Have fun playing your pathetic little game tonight. Liar.
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Re: Re: Bad Effects of Allopathic Medicines?
Just reposting my earlier post which is why I guess you tried to use my username to troll the other forum. And just in case you didn't, I don't want you to miss it again. This is why I'm calling you a liar. Good night.
Just reposting my earlier post which is why I guess you tried to use my username to troll the other forum. And just in case you didn't, I don't want you to miss it again. This is why I'm calling you a liar. Good night.
Perpetual Notion said:
Homeo Man,
To help us understand better what happened to the poor woman, would you please post a link to another picture of her - a close-up taken at a slightly different angle? A lateral profile would be good because it would help us all understand the extent of damage better. I'm sure that such pictures must be part of your extensive documentation of this case. Please share them with us.
To help us understand better what happened to the poor woman, would you please post a link to another picture of her - a close-up taken at a slightly different angle? A lateral profile would be good because it would help us all understand the extent of damage better. I'm sure that such pictures must be part of your extensive documentation of this case. Please share them with us.
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Re: Re: Re: Bad Effects of Allopathic Medicines?
Heheh... did you notice that your "alter ego" on the other forum uses imperfect English in the style of our Pakistani friends?
From "Perpetual Notion" from the other site. Ahem...
So let's see... they're not good at impersonating other people, they're not good at chemistry, they're not good at research, they're not good at telling the truth, and they're not even good at lying....
Aren't homeopaths good for anything???
Perpetual Notion said:
Heheh... did you notice that your "alter ego" on the other forum uses imperfect English in the style of our Pakistani friends?
From "Perpetual Notion" from the other site. Ahem...
So let's see... they're not good at impersonating other people, they're not good at chemistry, they're not good at research, they're not good at telling the truth, and they're not even good at lying....
Aren't homeopaths good for anything???
Donks said:Must be our survival instinct. Or our aversion to pain. Or our ability to empathize with those who are suffering.
Does it mean that you make people to sit comfortably in an Air conditioned close room or in a car or birds/animals in cages in place of sitting them under a tree with cool & open air or devoid of walking or a nest/cave?
That wasn't the question. Are you advocating that no medical treatments be used on any illnesses?
Natural & social angles can be different, sometimes just opposite.
What natural systems? We survived by taming animals and plants, and by killing whatever else stared at us funny.
What in our lifestyle is "unnatural"? Which part of our lifestyle didn't come 100% from nature? Which piece of technology did we manage to sprout full grown without using materials from nature?
Taking a fruit in its natural form can be natural but taking it in some processed form can be unnatural. Alike all other foods. Burning woods for cooking food can be natural but microwave ovens, gas cooking, electric cooking can be unnatural. Walking or traveling on animals can be natural wheras traveling by car, aeroplanes..can be unnatural. A cave, a nest, a tree shelter, a cottage made from items in their natural forms, a jungle, a bath under waterfall..is natural whereas modern concrete jungles, shadows, bath in bathroom under shower..can be unnatural. Cloths made from cotton, natural fibers are natural but from synthetic fibers are unnatural. Alike it you can compare million of things OR can search google for natural & unnatural things. Whatever is new to us of which we do not having inherant sense of its right or wrong or whatever to which we are not habituated and adapted to, can be unnatural--as most modern things. There is a harmony or balance of all things in nature. Any deviation from this harmony can be taken as 'nature's imbalance' somewhat alike homeostatis. 3 apple, 3 pears & 3 lemons taken 1 each by three person can be a balance whereas each take all three of each can be said as imbalance....
Many or most people do enjoy going into the nature from cities.
You think diseases don't pass from one animal to another, when living in "nature"?
You are taking it differently. I meant we advocate killing of other species if posing them danger to humans but save the humans in similar situations(AIDS)--so selfishness.
You think animal populations in nature never suffered overpopulation?
Yes they can but they are then balanced, we may not by out interferances.
In nature everyone eats everyone else. I'd call that "interfering." And again, do you advocate eliminating all medical treatments, and all social assistance programs and charitable organizations?
Yes but to certain limit on "give & take' or 'live & let live' rules not "Let us only live" rule. Although "might is right" "Survival of fittest" is also said.Social/unnatural & natural angles, self & whole considerations are different--may be bit opposite. What you prefer is your choice.
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Here you are, off on your "natural" kick yet again.Kumar said:
Tell me, do you think successively diluting and shaking a remedy using manufactured glassware (not a naturally occuring product) and then dropping the resulting solution onto a pill made of purified sugar can be considered to be a "natural" process?
Are you seriously suggesting that cooking food by burning wood is natural but cooking food by burning gas is unnatural? The effect on the food, assuming that the same temperature is reached, will be exactly the same. Although I suppose it's possible that naturally occuring oils in some types of wood could give rise to carcinogens when the wood is burned. Do you think this is a good thing? I'm betting you don't do the cooking in your family.
And if you really think HIV is a species worth preserving, why don't you start a charity for it?
I don't "make" people do anything. Including forcing them to die or suffer needlessly.Kumar said:
That wasn't the question. Are you advocating that no medical treatments be used on any illnesses?
...snip...
Just how exactly are they "balanced"? Perhaps by a whole lot of death? Is that what you are suggesting should happen? Who should be culled from the herd?
Without all the mumbo-jumbo and gibberish, just answer the question, Yes or No. Do you advocate the termination of medical treatments and social structures designed to "unduly help"?Yes but to certain limit on "give & take' or 'live & let live' rules not "Let us only live" rule. Although "might is right" "Survival of fittest" is also said.
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Homeo Man:
Why do you insist on returning to this thread without answering anybody's valid questions?
You are doing you and your cause no favours at all.
You have succeeded in destroying my sympathetic views towards Pakistani homeopathy with your arrogance, your insults and your lies.
I knew homeopathy was 'big' in Pakistan. I believed this to be because it is a poor country, with much hardship and poor health, and a healthcare system that simply can't cope with its burden.
I thought the homeopaths there were probably serving the same function as our homeopaths in the 18th and 19th centuries, essentially providing sympathy and care for people who could not afford proper medical treatment, or for whom worse quack treatments than 'no treatment at all' might otherwise have been inflicted. I thought that the Pakistani homeopaths were people who, in a better world, might actually have been medical doctors, who were motivated by compassion and a need to help those around them who were suffering.
I other words, I didn't believe in homeopathy, but I did believe that the Pakistani homeopaths were to be respected for their efforts and genuine intentions.
You and your ridiculous friends of NCH Pakistan have completely destroyed this naïve misconception I had; I suppose I should thank you.
But it's hard to thank someone who I now know is an arrogant, cynical, lying charlatan, sponging off some of the most unfortunate people ever to have lived, purely in the interests of boosting his own profile and bank balance.
And then to brag about it on the internet! To come over here and lie, fudge, prevaricate and basically tell us you're here to try to manipulate us and deceive us! Posting fabricated pictures of a fictional patient to try to convince people that modern medicine is harmful, purely so you can cash in from the inevitable suffering of anyone who might believe you! And so you can chuckle with your bizarre cronies at what hoops you think you've got us to jump through.
I just wanted you to know how counterproductive and damaging to your cause your actions here have been.
I want you to think hard about what you think you're achieving, and, if there's anyone pulling your strings and orchestrating this farce, what you think their motivations might be.
I also want you to know that it's in your power to change my mind about you, simply by starting to engage, and answer the reasonable questions that people have put to you.
But I won't hold my breath.
Why do you insist on returning to this thread without answering anybody's valid questions?
You are doing you and your cause no favours at all.
You have succeeded in destroying my sympathetic views towards Pakistani homeopathy with your arrogance, your insults and your lies.
I knew homeopathy was 'big' in Pakistan. I believed this to be because it is a poor country, with much hardship and poor health, and a healthcare system that simply can't cope with its burden.
I thought the homeopaths there were probably serving the same function as our homeopaths in the 18th and 19th centuries, essentially providing sympathy and care for people who could not afford proper medical treatment, or for whom worse quack treatments than 'no treatment at all' might otherwise have been inflicted. I thought that the Pakistani homeopaths were people who, in a better world, might actually have been medical doctors, who were motivated by compassion and a need to help those around them who were suffering.
I other words, I didn't believe in homeopathy, but I did believe that the Pakistani homeopaths were to be respected for their efforts and genuine intentions.
You and your ridiculous friends of NCH Pakistan have completely destroyed this naïve misconception I had; I suppose I should thank you.
But it's hard to thank someone who I now know is an arrogant, cynical, lying charlatan, sponging off some of the most unfortunate people ever to have lived, purely in the interests of boosting his own profile and bank balance.
And then to brag about it on the internet! To come over here and lie, fudge, prevaricate and basically tell us you're here to try to manipulate us and deceive us! Posting fabricated pictures of a fictional patient to try to convince people that modern medicine is harmful, purely so you can cash in from the inevitable suffering of anyone who might believe you! And so you can chuckle with your bizarre cronies at what hoops you think you've got us to jump through.
I just wanted you to know how counterproductive and damaging to your cause your actions here have been.
I want you to think hard about what you think you're achieving, and, if there's anyone pulling your strings and orchestrating this farce, what you think their motivations might be.
I also want you to know that it's in your power to change my mind about you, simply by starting to engage, and answer the reasonable questions that people have put to you.
But I won't hold my breath.
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Ha! Funny! No, I didn't waste my time looking at their site. I agree with my alter ego's assessment. I grew up in Texas and imagining myself saying those words with a bit of an accent makes it even funnier.